Is this the worst forum in the world ?

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  • team47b
    team47b Posts: 6,425
    Surely it's not possible to actually split an infinitive in English is it? :D
    my isetta is a 300cc bike
  • springtide9
    springtide9 Posts: 1,731
    If you'd used the 'Search' button you wouldn't have needed to create another thread...

    This forum is pretty tame with very few rules...

    If you want to experience something a little more harsh and unforgiving... maybe...

    "New Members][Guide/Tour] "
    http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthr ... ?t=1282679

    "..
    Now we have a flood of new users who are asking not "How can I do this myself?" but more like "Give me the quick fix" without caring to understand the process. See if you read the threads then you get to experience the learning process, you see how the issues were investigated and confirmed. Then you get to watch the different attempts at resolution and learn why some failed while others worked. That is called Development.

    The NooB backlash is coming from users who have walked in the development shoes and is directed mainly at those who don't care for the journey but just want the end result or destination.

    As a Development Forum we are just as much (if not more) about the journey. I've read so many comments like "I don't have time to read all of the threads" or "I don't care how it works, just that it does". These very statements are contrary to the heart & soul of XDA-Devs and that is why the backlash is so strong.

    Let me be very clear on this: IF YOU DON'T CARE ABOUT UNDERSTANDING THE JOURNEY THEN YOU PROBABLY SHOULDN'T BE HERE IN THE FIRST PLACE.

    XDA-Devs is about developers & hackers helping each other and working together to get the most out of our devices by understanding them better than most.

    XDA-Devs is not about helping everyone who wants a "Kewl bit of kit" make their phone better than the guy next to him.

    Now do we go kicking users off who never contribute anything, NO. We tolerate it to an extent. Where the toleration ends is when these users start diluting the usefulness of the forum by repeating the same questions over and over again.

    You ask us to understand your position. Well if you want to benefit from our experience and time then I think it is only fair that you understand our position."



    Not strictly related to cycling, but very true with people wanting a quick fix.

    How do I learn to clip in with my new pedals?
    What are the best tyres for winter?


    For these ever repeating questions.... If people could actually be bothered to use the 'search' button they'd find endless threads where many people have taken time to post reasonable and helpful responses.

    When may people have spent several minutes of their time posting reasonable answers, when the question keeps repeating, repeating, repeating, repeating, repeating, repeating, repeating... it's slightly frustrating for the many users who bothered to put time and effort into a thread only for people's to ignore what's already been discussed.

    As it's stated on the XDA forum, it' dilutes the contents, and we end up with threads of very little useful content.

    So to answer your question.... I think it's fairly easy for most people to understand why people will respond unhelpfully to posts that have already been discussed at length, usually only a day or so before.

    So advice would be....
    - Use the 'Search' facility. You could have the answer to your question instantly!
    - There are no quick fixes. Getting to a reasonable level of fitness takes time and effort.

    Maybe I'll now be considered the 'Worst forum poster' on the 'Worst forum' in the World... but life's too short to worry about stuff like that! :lol:
    Simon
  • navrig
    navrig Posts: 1,352
    Good post Springtide.
  • lotus49
    lotus49 Posts: 763
    Springtide's advice is sound but I have been a member of xda-developers for many years and no-one has ever been rude to me. I had been a member of this forum for about a week before it happened.

    This forum is an excellent resource and there is a wealth of useful information and some very helpful people, otherwise I wouldn't keep coming back. On xda-developers gratuitous rudeness is rare (but ignore the rules and you will get it with both barrels) but on Bike Radar you don't actually have to do anything wrong to get a narky response. At least the jokes are a lot funnier here.

    All praise polite pianists (see my earlier post).
  • navrig
    navrig Posts: 1,352
    I agree about the XDA Developers forum however it is sterile and pretty much devoid of any humour. I go there to solve a problem, then I leave. I don't browse and unless I can contribute to an answer there us no point in lingering.

    That type of forum serves a purpose.

    This place serves no purpose whatsoever but it is worth browsing and enjoying the banter.
  • as an infrequent poster, and visitor who comes on in spells, having a a few weeks on and a few weeks off, if anything the forum is too friendly and polite, and there is no where near enough p taking and way to many over-sensitive people, who get all precious when there opinions are shot to pieces and carefully disected for being BS.

    that said, i dont think there is a place for that in beginners, and to a lesser extent buying advice, as these are the places for stupid, daft, obvious questions (something that i am eternally grateful for as i have asked many and will continue to do so), for people seeking help and new to the game who often have little idea (at least until they get to expereince it themselves eg before i bought a road bike i had no idea how to change gears or that it varied between makes/groupsets, i didnt ask on here i just worked it out when i got an a road bike, but i could justifably see that being a question in beginners, if someone has never been on a road bike b4). sarcky, p taking repsonses in these sections can discourage people.

    road general (in addition to the dedicated off topic sections), though at least, is fine for it. There should be more banter, and less people getting on high horses and sounding off to mods or starting vanity threads complaining and taking it oh so seriously when people take the p, or disagree. people should take a leaf out of the great soni's book in the training section, hes had some dogs abuse, lots deserved and enouraged but hes still here semi trolling, creating one of the funniest threads that ive seen here.

    my only other experiences are of essex ccc forum, which is moderated by the club themselves yet is still fairly relaxed and allows non 'rude' banter and the onlinegooner forum, which is how i imagine most interent forums are, where its a free for all as long as its nothing illegal/racist, etc and can be brutal, but people can take a joke, not get all upset when there viewpoint is torn apart, and not get all precious with it, although you do get a few vanity thread type posters on there too.

    ultimately if you dont like the forum, dont come on. adapt to it and dont expect it to adapt to you. but i guess you get a wider spectrum of people on a cycling forum, than on many others, especially now as its a bit 'fashionable', so you will always have some tools who complain to mods about anything, cant take there viewpoint being mocked/undermined, cant take a joke, whinge, snap at people (also there a fair few who think they are funny or try to be but are just not and come across as tryhards trying to become part of a clique)
  • Whoever it was who thought this as the worst forum on the internet obviously as only been connected a day.
    the deeper the section the deeper the pleasure.
  • VTech
    VTech Posts: 4,736
    pride4ever wrote:
    Whoever it was who thought this as the worst forum on the internet obviously as only been connected a day.

    Quite ironic as ive been on the net for longer than most.
    The post was more aimed at shock factor as quite clearly this is a very good forum but was aimed really at some people who seem hell bent on making everything an issue, using their valuable time troweling the forums for places to post abuse. I just dont see the point.
    Living MY dream.
  • imposter2.0
    imposter2.0 Posts: 12,028
    VTech wrote:
    Quite ironic as ive been on the net for longer than most.

    Go on then, I'll bite. Just how long have you been on the internet ?
  • VTech
    VTech Posts: 4,736
    It wasnt about making anyone bite, when I first started, state of the art was 9600 dial-up.
    As a daily user I guess around early 1980's but back then you paid by the minute.
    Living MY dream.
  • imposter2.0
    imposter2.0 Posts: 12,028
    VTech wrote:
    It wasnt about making anyone bite, when I first started, state of the art was 9600 dial-up.
    As a daily user I guess around early 1980's but back then you paid by the minute.

    I was using online terminals in the early 80s - but that wasn't the internet.
  • VTech
    VTech Posts: 4,736
    I didnt intend for this to be a "im better than you" type scenario, I just thought it ironic that my original post prompted someone to think I was new to the net thats all.
    Living MY dream.
  • ShutUpLegs
    ShutUpLegs Posts: 3,522
    Imposter wrote:
    VTech wrote:
    It wasnt about making anyone bite, when I first started, state of the art was 9600 dial-up.
    As a daily user I guess around early 1980's but back then you paid by the minute.

    I was using online terminals in the early 80s - but that wasn't the internet.

    Commercially available internet in the UK started around 1992.
  • imposter2.0
    imposter2.0 Posts: 12,028
    VTech wrote:
    I didnt intend for this to be a "im better than you" type scenario, I just thought it ironic that my original post prompted someone to think I was new to the net thats all.

    it's just that you said that you had been on the net for 'longer than most' - which is a ridiculous thing to say, given that you have no idea who you may be talking to. One of us could be Tim Berners-Lee or Vinton Cerf...and then you'd look pretty silly...
  • VTech
    VTech Posts: 4,736
    ShutUpLegs wrote:
    Imposter wrote:
    VTech wrote:
    It wasnt about making anyone bite, when I first started, state of the art was 9600 dial-up.
    As a daily user I guess around early 1980's but back then you paid by the minute.

    I was using online terminals in the early 80s - but that wasn't the internet.

    Commercially available internet in the UK started around 1992.

    In 82 TCP/IP was standardised and started the "internet" explosion, online data transfer is referred too as internet even though the term wasnt used as such until way after transfer systems developed.
    My earlier "transfer of data" began with links to arpanet which began in the 70's.

    Anything else I can assist with ?
    Living MY dream.
  • VTech
    VTech Posts: 4,736
    Imposter wrote:
    VTech wrote:
    I didnt intend for this to be a "im better than you" type scenario, I just thought it ironic that my original post prompted someone to think I was new to the net thats all.

    it's just that you said that you had been on the net for 'longer than most' - which is a ridiculous thing to say, given that you have no idea who you may be talking to. One of us could be Tim Berners-Lee or Vinton Cerf...and then you'd look pretty silly...

    Why would I ?

    i didnt say all, and as YOU quoted me, I said most which I would stand by as im not only more than likely older than most here (im 40) I have more than likely been online longer, especially with the fact that almost all of my friends of the same age had no interest in computers as we grew up (which was the case globally).

    Why is it that people on here continue to argue without having valid points to argue with ?
    Living MY dream.
  • djhermer
    djhermer Posts: 328
    Imposter wrote:
    VTech wrote:
    Quite ironic as ive been on the net for longer than most.

    That has the potential to create a thread of 'Raisins - weight loss' proportions.....
  • imposter2.0
    imposter2.0 Posts: 12,028
    djhermer wrote:
    Imposter wrote:
    VTech wrote:
    Quite ironic as ive been on the net for longer than most.

    That has the potential to create a thread of 'Raisins - weight loss' proportions.....

    there are certain similarities between the posters, to be fair.. ;)
  • VTech
    VTech Posts: 4,736
    Imposter wrote:
    djhermer wrote:
    Imposter wrote:
    VTech wrote:
    Quite ironic as ive been on the net for longer than most.

    That has the potential to create a thread of 'Raisins - weight loss' proportions.....

    there are certain similarities between the posters, to be fair.. ;)

    Is that thread full of people trying to cause arguments without having anything to back it up with as we'll then ?
    Living MY dream.
  • imposter2.0
    imposter2.0 Posts: 12,028
    have a read of it yourself and decide...
  • Mikey23
    Mikey23 Posts: 5,306
    Group hug guys
  • VTech
    VTech Posts: 4,736
    Imposter wrote:
    have a read of it yourself and decide...


    To be fair, I could imagine it to be similar to walking up to a wall and then banging your head against it.
    Even slightly above this post you can see the mentality. People too quick to post a comment aimed at trying to discredit the OP.
    When you look at some of the behaviour it's actually quite disgusting and would rarely be excepted in normal "non Internet" life.
    Living MY dream.
  • Mikey23
    Mikey23 Posts: 5,306
    If conversations like this were carried on face to face, people would be more guarded in what they say and everything that was said would be part of normal debate and no one would be in the slightest bit offended
  • djhermer
    djhermer Posts: 328
    Mikey23 wrote:
    If conversations like this were carried on face to face, people would be more guarded in what they say and everything that was said would be part of normal debate and no one would be in the slightest bit offended

    Too true - most people accept this. It works at every level though. In 'real life' one wouldn't walk up to a group of people and say 'Is this the worst group of people in the world? Please discuss'.

    Which is a direct translation of whats happened here. So online behaviour is different to real life - across the board. You enter into it knowing that, or at least finding out pretty quickly.
  • ShutUpLegs
    ShutUpLegs Posts: 3,522
    djhermer wrote:
    Imposter wrote:
    VTech wrote:
    Quite ironic as ive been on the net for longer than most.

    That has the potential to create a thread of 'Raisins - weight loss' proportions.....

    At least that one is vaguely humorous and informative.

    My money is on the OP having:
    1. Midlife Crisis
    2 .Work Meltdown
    3. Disturbed Childhood
  • VTech
    VTech Posts: 4,736
    ShutUpLegs wrote:
    djhermer wrote:
    Imposter wrote:
    VTech wrote:
    Quite ironic as ive been on the net for longer than most.

    That has the potential to create a thread of 'Raisins - weight loss' proportions.....

    At least that one is vaguely humorous and informative.

    My money is on the OP having:
    1. Midlife Crisis
    2 .Work Meltdown
    3. Disturbed Childhood

    How about all 3 ?
    The issue is that almost certainly you are someone of low self esteem, maybe bullied during childhood or more likely, you are on the committee of a local social club, I come to this conclusion as almost all of your posts that I have seen have the singular aim of trying to be abusive, you enter into peoples posts with the only purpose of causing trouble or offending. The chances are that you have not made much of your life, have failed several times and so have a personal war with the world but due to your past history you struggle to have the backbone to do it in real life so sitting behind a keyboard is where you feel most comfortable. Am i close ?
    Of course im not, hell, your hardly going to admit that any of the above is true but me and you know different :wink:
    Living MY dream.
  • navrig
    navrig Posts: 1,352
    VTech wrote:
    ShutUpLegs wrote:
    Imposter wrote:
    VTech wrote:
    It wasnt about making anyone bite, when I first started, state of the art was 9600 dial-up.
    As a daily user I guess around early 1980's but back then you paid by the minute.

    I was using online terminals in the early 80s - but that wasn't the internet.

    Commercially available internet in the UK started around 1992.

    In 82 TCP/IP was standardised and started the "internet" explosion, online data transfer is referred too as internet even though the term wasnt used as such until way after transfer systems developed.
    My earlier "transfer of data" began with links to arpanet which began in the 70's.

    Anything else I can assist with ?

    Popularity of BBS didn't really pick up muntil the early 1990s. Prior to that they were the domain of all sorts of geeks.

    Not that I am intimating anything...... :D
  • flasher
    flasher Posts: 1,734
    Honestly VTech, you need to look in the mirror.

    You start the thread with:
    VTech wrote:
    I know the internet has changed over the years but seriously, is this the worlds worst forum ?
    Not for the fact that its cycling but the people here ?

    Blah blah blah......

    You have a wonderful place here, the ability to help is immense, some of you guys are simply ruining it and making this a place to avoid and not want to return.


    Your follow up post:
    VTech wrote:
    The topic was to get attention, I don't think this is the worst place, in fact I'm really excited about cycling and getting into the sport.


    Typical trolling behaviour!
  • VTech
    VTech Posts: 4,736
    Flasher wrote:
    Honestly VTech, you need to look in the mirror.

    You start the thread with:
    VTech wrote:
    I know the internet has changed over the years but seriously, is this the worlds worst forum ?
    Not for the fact that its cycling but the people here ?

    Blah blah blah......

    You have a wonderful place here, the ability to help is immense, some of you guys are simply ruining it and making this a place to avoid and not want to return.


    Your follow up post:
    VTech wrote:
    The topic was to get attention, I don't think this is the worst place, in fact I'm really excited about cycling and getting into the sport.


    Typical trolling behaviour!


    OK, I can accept your point but you must remember that this post came on the back of me coming here with a genuine interest in cycling and wanting to improve fitness and lose weight. I insulted no one, I was polite and abided by the rules. Then through no provocation a select few members decided to come into almost all of my posts and try to make an issue out of everything, showing poor behavioural skills and a lack of humanity.
    Out of this behaviour my post was born.

    You will not find a single case where I abuse anyone, its not in my nature, I simply want to learn about cycling and get fit and if I upset anyone in the future asking about wheels or aero this and that then I apologise now as its not intentionally meant to offend anyone.
    Living MY dream.
  • sungod
    sungod Posts: 16,651
    VTech wrote:
    Is that thread full of people trying to cause arguments without having anything to back it up with as we'll then ?

    like your claim here? viewtopic.php?f=40042&t=12840560#p18123051

    which you had nothing to back up, but when gently pointed out, you repeated, adding some snarky comments to another poster, changed you claim again, but it was still nonsense, and when this was called out tried to play the victim with the comment "The hostility is endless here."

    no, the tolerance for unapologetic repeat bullshitters is low here

    i find it hard to accept anything you say as being true

    if you want respect on the forum, stop posting nonsense, and stop playing the victim and blaming others when caught out
    my bike - faster than god's and twice as shiny
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