If you ride like this....

Captainlip

1. Get off your bike.
2. Sell your bike.
3. Go find another sport.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xzb5zbnY6s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mikXAckc-8

Those who spout sh!t on this topic clearly find this acceptable and destroy the reputation of cyclists. Im sure there are plenty of you on here that fall into this catagory.

Attitudes have got to change.

amaferanga

Eh?

bompington

Well, you could always just kick them...

jezzpalmer

bompington wrote:

Well, you could always just kick them...

LOL.
I have to agree with Mr Lip though, probably the first and only time that will happen.

Cleat Eastwood

eh^2

TakeTurns

bompington wrote:

Well, you could always just kick them...

I don't think lippy rides in the winter -hence the motorist rant.

Maybe you should try winding your window down and kicking them, seeing as how flexible you are eyh?

secretsqizz

Bit of judicial editing and it could end up on Cyclegazs Best of Close Pass Compilation 2012....

bianchimoon

Captainlip wrote:

1. Get off your bike.
2. Sell your bike.
3. Go find another sport.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xzb5zbnY6s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mikXAckc-8

Those who spout sh!t on this topic clearly find this acceptable and destroy the reputation of cyclists. Im sure there are plenty of you on here that fall into this catagory.

Attitudes have got to change.

you're weird

greasedscotsman

Err, who's riding are you not happy about in the first video? The two cyclists riding two abreast who the motorist passes at around 40 seconds into the clip or the four cyclists riding two abreast?

cookdn

Captainlip wrote:

1. Get off your bike.
2. Sell your bike.
3. Go find another sport.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xzb5zbnY6s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mikXAckc-8

Those who spout sh!t on this topic clearly find this acceptable and destroy the reputation of cyclists. Im sure there are plenty of you on here that fall into this catagory.

Attitudes have got to change.

The problem in your second video is that the van driver was just being aggressive for the sake of it.

It is shot on what looks like an urban dual carriageway. It wouldn't have mattered whether the cyclists were in single file or two abreast, the van driver should have overtaken by moving fully into the outside lane (Rules 137 & 163). I didn't see any cyclists there :?.

Best regards
David

<<<<<<<< Edit 13.24 >>>>>>>

Apologies, re-reading this I think I have been snared by this guy:

cougie

Not watched the vids - but didnt you claim to have kicked a cyclist off his bike Mr Lip ? Or am I getting you mixed up with another poster ?

Ouija

Captainlip wrote:

1. Get off your bike.
2. Sell your bike.
3. Go find another sport.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xzb5zbnY6s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mikXAckc-8

Those who spout sh!t on this topic clearly find this acceptable and destroy the reputation of cyclists. Im sure there are plenty of you on here that fall into this catagory.

Attitudes have got to change.

+1

As a cyclist who doesn't drive it still irritates the hell out of me to see a bunch of lycra'd up roadies riding two abreast in packs as if their in the TDF. Specially when you can see a big queue of cars behind them and clear road ahead. Especially on main roads and if they don't seem to feel any compunction to go single file or get out of the way when they are obviously holding up traffic. Almost as bad as taxi drivers when it comes to arrogance and poor road awareness. There's something of a mob mentality to it. As if because they are riding around in a pack they can just stick two fingers up at motorists and be as irritating as possible.

chrisaonabike

cookdn wrote:

It is shot on what looks like an urban dual carriageway. It wouldn't have mattered whether the cyclists were in single file or two abreast, the van driver should have overtaken by moving fully into the outside lane (Rules 137 & 163). I didn't see any cyclists there :?.

Unfortunately, this is not how many drivers would see it - and in particular, it's just going to be a red rag to a bull, for the ones who have it in for cyclists.

Cyclists two abreast occupying the whole of a lane on a fast dual carriageway but doing only 20 mph or less will just antagonise people.

Highway code or not, it's often perfectly safe to drift out a little to overtake bikes if there's nothing coming up behind, whereas a completed lane change takes a lot longer.

Not that I'm in any way advocating disregard for the HC, but in the real world this whole us/them situation is not entirely rational - and perception is relevant, like it or not.

Personally, I don't ride on dual carriageways any more than I have to.

greasedscotsman

Ouija wrote:

As if because they are riding around in a pack they can just stick two fingers up at motorists and be as irritating as possible.

Or maybe signal that the road is clear ahead as one of the group of four does?

JamesB5446

In the first vid there were loads of overtaking opportunities but the driver didn't take them.

In the second video the driver was just an idiot.

chrisaonabike

JamesB5446 wrote:

In the first vid there were loads of overtaking opportunities but the driver didn't take them.

Not if the double white lines in the middle of the road mean the same as they do here. There was no opportunity to overtake until they did.

I have to say, I'm with Lippy on this one. The cycists in the first one had a perfectly wide cycle lane - all they had to do was single out and use it when there was traffic.

In the second vid, it's a bit less obvious - as someone said, two up wasn't necessarily any worse for safe overtakes than one up - but it just looks selfish IMO.

JamesB5446

That would depend on how fast the cyclists were going. And there were plenty of times when they were all in the cycle lane/hard shoulder and he still didn't overtake.

chrisaonabike

JamesB5446 wrote:

And there were plenty of times when they were all in the cycle lane/hard shoulder and he still didn't overtake.

Look at it again. There really weren't. There's one time very near the actual overtake where they're all briefly in the cycle lane, and then one guy comes out of the pack and makes it impossible again.

paul_mck

driver in the first video was sensible. The cyclists were not. They came out without looking which could easily have happened while the driver was passing.

Ill cycle 2 a brest no problem. But if its going to hold up traffic Ill pull in to single file.

LegendLust

Captainlip wrote:

1. Get off your bike.
2. Sell your bike.
3. Go find another sport.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xzb5zbnY6s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mikXAckc-8

Those who spout sh!t on this topic clearly find this acceptable and destroy the reputation of cyclists. Im sure there are plenty of you on here that fall into this catagory.

Attitudes have got to change.

Lighten up

Vexedveloist

Captainlip wrote:

1. Get off your bike.
2. Sell your bike.
3. Go find another sport.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xzb5zbnY6s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mikXAckc-8

Those who spout sh!t on this topic clearly find this acceptable and destroy the reputation of cyclists. Im sure there are plenty of you on here that fall into this catagory.

Attitudes have got to change.

Just like driving, cycling is transport first sport last.

jgsi

Vexedveloist wrote:

Captainlip wrote:

1. Get off your bike.
2. Sell your bike.
3. Go find another sport.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xzb5zbnY6s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mikXAckc-8

Those who spout sh!t on this topic clearly find this acceptable and destroy the reputation of cyclists. Im sure there are plenty of you on here that fall into this catagory.

Attitudes have got to change.

Just like driving, cycling is transport first sport last.

Well we all know where you are coming from .. thanks for that.. are you Swampy, 20 years on?

Captainlip

Its funny how predictable this discussion is, as expected there are people sitting on both sides of the fence on this one.

generally this sport does attract more pr!cks than the next.

cougie

Captainlip wrote:

generally this sport does attract more pr!cks than the next.

orangepip

Interestingly I know the road well in the second video. It's Ponteland Road in Newcastle. I cycle up it pretty much once or twice a week and would say its a fairly dangerous road mostly because of the attitudes of motorists on it. It can get quite busy at peak times, but it's generally fast moving and people (including myself to be honest) drive to fast up there.

From a cyclists perspective even though it's a dual carriageway it has narrow lanes and you get commercial traffic on it that never give you proper width. There are two roundabouts on it, one of which I have been sideswiped on in the middle of the day by a guy who swore he didn't see me. Honestly if it was me I would not be riding two abreast up there if there was traffic out of politeness, however from a defensive riding point of view I can understand it.

Some years ago my brother and I had a similar experience coming the other way on that same road. We were riding two abreast on a three lane road and got an awful lot of abuse in relatively light traffic.

There are definitely rights and wrongs to the situation and without actually being there or having a different camera's point of view it would be hard to say otherwise.

The first video is also clearly antagonistic and published by someone looking for trouble. Why else would you be videoing from your car?

chrisaonabike

orangepip wrote:

The first video is also clearly antagonistic and published by someone looking for trouble. Why else would you be videoing from your car?

I don't see it like that at all. They don't drive like they're looking for trouble, and they don't say much. And what they do say seems pretty mild - nothing like the effing and blinding we've seen on some of the helmet-cam warrior vids recently.

Even when they overtake (safely, at the very end) they do nothing except just drive past.

You can't infer anything from the fact that someone's videoing from a car. Maybe they've just bought a new camera (videoing from a car happened to be one of the first things I did with mine, when I was a passenger), or maybe they've seen the cyclists acting selfishly before and want to prove it. Who knows - but as I say, there's nothing about what they do that suggests looking for trouble.

chrisaonabike

cougie wrote:

Captainlip wrote:

generally this sport does attract more pr!cks than the next.

Yes, I noticed the irony too

Vexedveloist

JGSI wrote:

Vexedveloist wrote:

Captainlip wrote:

1. Get off your bike.
2. Sell your bike.
3. Go find another sport.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xzb5zbnY6s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mikXAckc-8

Those who spout sh!t on this topic clearly find this acceptable and destroy the reputation of cyclists. Im sure there are plenty of you on here that fall into this catagory.

Attitudes have got to change.

Just like driving, cycling is transport first sport last.

Well we all know where you are coming from .. thanks for that.. are you Swampy, 20 years on?

Come back and tell me about it when you're an actual cyclist and not just a know-nothing weekend warrior dressed like a gay power ranger.

Captainlip

orangepip wrote:

The first video is also clearly antagonistic and published by someone looking for trouble. Why else would you be videoing from your car?

a so thats why everyone has a dashcam, I thought it was for hit and run and drivers with a lack of insurance.

is this the same for cyclists? are they out looking for trouble?

sub55

Captainlip wrote:

Its funny how predictable this discussion is, as expected there are people sitting on both sides of the fence on this one.

generally this sport does attract more pr!cks than the next.

got a MIRROR

Captainlip

sub55 wrote:

Captainlip wrote:

Its funny how predictable this discussion is, as expected there are people sitting on both sides of the fence on this one.

generally this sport does attract more pr!cks than the next.

got a MIRROR

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