Chris Froome to lead Team Sky in TdF
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I think we can safely say that's a classic example of the standard last resort of a troll who's feeling the heatNeale1978 wrote:Its just a bit of humour, try it sometime. Plus its a forum, not my real day to day life
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The problem for Sky here is that their two top GT riders need a real quality and experienced team team riding around them (more so than the other top contenders). For different reasons. Wiggins needs them because he struggles to match the accelerations of the better climbers and so needs his team to control the pace at which he climbs up the mountain. And Froomey because he is completely incapable of measuring his efforts and routinely attacks for 20 seconds before blowing up.
So even though Sky have the deepest squad in the peloton they might be stretched a bit thin by going for both the Giro and Tour.
If Wiggins has the 'best' team around him then the guys who go to the Tour with Froome won't be the most experienced/will be tired after the Giro. If they decide that the Tour is the big goal and send the best team there (with the likes of Porte and EBH) then Wiggins may not be able to control the Giro like he did last year in the Tour.
Will Wiggins have the motivation to do the Tour in support of Froome after riding a hard Giro? I have my doubts.0 -
Back on track then - odds are up for TdF 2013
http://sports.williamhill.com/bet/en-gb ... inner.html
Some good odds out there, TJ 33/1 as an outsider.0 -
JTL and Richie Porte both at 200/1. Seems a bit unfair on Porte. I can't imagine any remotely likely circumstances that would result in JTL winning the 2013 Tour (he seems unlikely to even start it, and he's never ridden a GT before), on the other hand it's not impossible that someone could get injured before the Tour (or during the first week) and Porte could find himself as Sky's team leader giving him as good a shot as any of the 2nd tier GT riders.nathancom wrote:Back on track then - odds are up for TdF 2013
http://sports.williamhill.com/bet/en-gb ... inner.html
Some good odds out there, TJ 33/1 as an outsider.
Not that I'd put money on either of them, but I'm just surprised to see them with the same odds.0 -
Graeme_S wrote:
JTL and Richie Porte both at 200/1. Seems a bit unfair on Porte. I can't imagine any remotely likely circumstances that would result in JTL winning the 2013 Tour (he seems unlikely to even start it, and he's never ridden a GT before), on the other hand it's not impossible that someone could get injured before the Tour (or during the first week) and Porte could find himself as Sky's team leader giving him as good a shot as any of the 2nd tier GT riders.nathancom wrote:Back on track then - odds are up for TdF 2013
http://sports.williamhill.com/bet/en-gb ... inner.html
Some good odds out there, TJ 33/1 as an outsider.
Not that I'd put money on either of them, but I'm just surprised to see them with the same odds.
The bookies use peeps for to set the odds on cycling who are clearly not as knowledgeable as ourselves
. 'Tiernan-Locke, he's that guy who won the Tour of Britain this year, Sky must be thinking about him as a possibility for the Tour'. One of the bookies had odds for Geraint Thomas for this year's World RR right up to the day despite that rather important fact that he wasnt even riding. 0 -
Richmond Racer wrote:One of the bookies had odds for Geraint Thomas for this year's World RR right up to the day despite that rather important fact that he wasnt even riding.
That sounds quite smart to me. Especially if someone places a bet. Defo no payout on that one!0 -
Milton50 wrote:The problem for Sky here is that their two top GT riders need a real quality and experienced team team riding around them (more so than the other top contenders). For different reasons. Wiggins needs them because he struggles to match the accelerations of the better climbers and so needs his team to control the pace at which he climbs up the mountain. And Froomey because he is completely incapable of measuring his efforts and routinely attacks for 20 seconds before blowing up.
So even though Sky have the deepest squad in the peloton they might be stretched a bit thin by going for both the Giro and Tour.
If Wiggins has the 'best' team around him then the guys who go to the Tour with Froome won't be the most experienced/will be tired after the Giro. If they decide that the Tour is the big goal and send the best team there (with the likes of Porte and EBH) then Wiggins may not be able to control the Giro like he did last year in the Tour.
Will Wiggins have the motivation to do the Tour in support of Froome after riding a hard Giro? I have my doubts.
Ok, me thoughts on possible Sky squads to try to win both Giro and Tour:
Giro:
Wiggins
Porte (pretty much confirmed this himself)
Knees (only guy big enough to properly shelter Wiggins)
Kennaugh
Stannard
Uran (cos they'll want him to ride Vuelta again - which will be his main target out of the GTs)
Henao (ditto)
Cataldo
Kiryienka
Tour:
Froome
Wiggins
Eisel
Rogers (depending on whether he remains with Sky)
G
EBH
Pate
Siutsou
AN other - possibly Swifty - not to contest sprints - Sky wont give a toot for sprints in the GTs next year - but he's pretty handy on the lumps
Bill on its way to DB rght now for squad selection consultancy services.0 -
greasedscotsman wrote:Richmond Racer wrote:One of the bookies had odds for Geraint Thomas for this year's World RR right up to the day despite that rather important fact that he wasnt even riding.
That sounds quite smart to me. Especially if someone places a bet. Defo no payout on that one!
Ha! You're right! Fancy starting a bookie with me?0 -
Richmond Racer wrote:greasedscotsman wrote:Richmond Racer wrote:One of the bookies had odds for Geraint Thomas for this year's World RR right up to the day despite that rather important fact that he wasnt even riding.
That sounds quite smart to me. Especially if someone places a bet. Defo no payout on that one!
Ha! You're right! Fancy starting a bookie with me?
Bookies generally refund you if your horse doesn't race
assume it would be the same with riders0 -
Crozza wrote:Richmond Racer wrote:greasedscotsman wrote:Richmond Racer wrote:One of the bookies had odds for Geraint Thomas for this year's World RR right up to the day despite that rather important fact that he wasnt even riding.
That sounds quite smart to me. Especially if someone places a bet. Defo no payout on that one!
Ha! You're right! Fancy starting a bookie with me?
Bookies generally refund you if your horse doesn't race
assume it would be the same with riders
Not at "Greased Racer Bookies" we don't. :shock:0 -
greasedscotsman wrote:Crozza wrote:Richmond Racer wrote:greasedscotsman wrote:Richmond Racer wrote:One of the bookies had odds for Geraint Thomas for this year's World RR right up to the day despite that rather important fact that he wasnt even riding.
That sounds quite smart to me. Especially if someone places a bet. Defo no payout on that one!
Ha! You're right! Fancy starting a bookie with me?
Bookies generally refund you if your horse doesn't race
assume it would be the same with riders
Not at "Greased Racer Bookies" we don't. :shock:
Read our small print: Your investments can go down as well as up'0 -
Richmond Racer wrote:Read our small print: Your investments can go down as well as up'
Think it actually says down as well as down.0 -
greasedscotsman wrote:Richmond Racer wrote:Read our small print: Your investments can go down as well as up'
Think it actually says down as well as down.
You've have to be the senior partner, you clearly have the better head for this business0 -
I'll be amazed to see Stannard not be in a Tour team this year.0
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rebs wrote:I'll be amazed to see Stannard not be in a Tour team this year.
Yeah, difficult one - Giro or Tour. Guess it'll also come down to how Sky sync the Classics squad training programme vs the Tour's and the Giro's training plans...0 -
ddraver wrote:nathancom wrote:
It is the only way to keep a group of high caliber riders together as well. Froome would most likely be gone if he didn't get the opportunity. It just makes sense all round.Yellow Peril wrote:To be honest I don't think Sky will feel any obligation to have Wiggo lead the Tour team just because it's the 100th edition and he is the defending champion. It has to be the best man for the job and the parcours suggests Froome.
It's not a matter of showing your hand as there is nothing to hide. Common sense suggests it will be a moveable feast depending upon form and condition of the riders.
I will miss Wiggins leading at the Tour though, much more interesting interviews than Froome will surely give.
And you can Guarantee we ll al b1tch and moan about sky's lack of personality!
Not taking a pop at you, but I still don't get what people are on about when they say "Sky's lack of personality". Is it the British thing about not liking British winners, regardless of what they do?
I think Brad and Cav were more than interesting during the season. Winning, losing, fighting, arguing. Brads podium interview at the tour finish.
What more do people want? These guys are pro cyclists not stand up comedians.0 -
mike6 wrote:ddraver wrote:nathancom wrote:
It is the only way to keep a group of high caliber riders together as well. Froome would most likely be gone if he didn't get the opportunity. It just makes sense all round.Yellow Peril wrote:To be honest I don't think Sky will feel any obligation to have Wiggo lead the Tour team just because it's the 100th edition and he is the defending champion. It has to be the best man for the job and the parcours suggests Froome.
It's not a matter of showing your hand as there is nothing to hide. Common sense suggests it will be a moveable feast depending upon form and condition of the riders.
I will miss Wiggins leading at the Tour though, much more interesting interviews than Froome will surely give.
And you can Guarantee we ll al b1tch and moan about sky's lack of personality!
Not taking a pop at you, but I still don't get what people are on about when they say "Sky's lack of personality". Is it the British thing about not liking British winners, regardless of what they do?
I think Brad and Cav were more than interesting during the season. Winning, losing, fighting, arguing. Brads podium interview at the tour finish.
What more do people want? These guys are pro cyclists not stand up comedians.
It means they use power meters.0 -
One possible outcome of all this:
Wiggo supports Froome in the TdF. Wiggo is able to stay with Froome in all the mountain stages. Wiggo takes a minute out of Froome in the TT.
Of course without a winter of training and numbers/stats to go on it is impossible for Team Sky to state right now exactly how things pan out in 2013.You only need two tools: WD40 and Duck Tape.
If it doesn't move and should, use the WD40.
If it shouldn't move and does, use the tape.0 -
mike6 wrote:ddraver wrote:nathancom wrote:
It is the only way to keep a group of high caliber riders together as well. Froome would most likely be gone if he didn't get the opportunity. It just makes sense all round.Yellow Peril wrote:To be honest I don't think Sky will feel any obligation to have Wiggo lead the Tour team just because it's the 100th edition and he is the defending champion. It has to be the best man for the job and the parcours suggests Froome.
It's not a matter of showing your hand as there is nothing to hide. Common sense suggests it will be a moveable feast depending upon form and condition of the riders.
I will miss Wiggins leading at the Tour though, much more interesting interviews than Froome will surely give.
And you can Guarantee we ll al b1tch and moan about sky's lack of personality!
Not taking a pop at you, but I still don't get what people are on about when they say "Sky's lack of personality". Is it the British thing about not liking British winners, regardless of what they do?
I think Brad and Cav were more than interesting during the season. Winning, losing, fighting, arguing. Brads podium interview at the tour finish.
What more do people want? These guys are pro cyclists not stand up comedians.
I know - frustrating ain't it?!
How quickly we've become spoilt and fickle - it seems like only yesterday when the mere sight of a British rider in the races for the bigger boys was an event; now they're all over them.
When Robert Millar was described as "taciturn, quirky and difficult", most of the 12 people in the country who followed cycling developed a fondness for him. When Wiggins has his moments he'll get slagged off for being a massive arrogant tosser...
Maybe we've just got to remember that for every sneering/whinging/cynical "aficionado" who has nothing better to do than foist their tediously negative gripes on anyone who has the misfortune of stumbling across their drivel, there'll be 20 supportive fans with fake sideburns doing a celebratory conga...
That Denis Menchov, though: he's never once said anything to make me laugh - either in Russian or English. I reckon he's a bit of a tosser...0 -
mike6 wrote:ddraver wrote:nathancom wrote:
It is the only way to keep a group of high caliber riders together as well. Froome would most likely be gone if he didn't get the opportunity. It just makes sense all round.Yellow Peril wrote:To be honest I don't think Sky will feel any obligation to have Wiggo lead the Tour team just because it's the 100th edition and he is the defending champion. It has to be the best man for the job and the parcours suggests Froome.
It's not a matter of showing your hand as there is nothing to hide. Common sense suggests it will be a moveable feast depending upon form and condition of the riders.
I will miss Wiggins leading at the Tour though, much more interesting interviews than Froome will surely give.
And you can Guarantee we ll al b1tch and moan about sky's lack of personality!
Not taking a pop at you, but I still don't get what people are on about when they say "Sky's lack of personality". Is it the British thing about not liking British winners, regardless of what they do?
I think Brad and Cav were more than interesting during the season. Winning, losing, fighting, arguing. Brads podium interview at the tour finish.
What more do people want? These guys are pro cyclists not stand up comedians.
Precisely!We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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ddraver wrote:mike6 wrote:ddraver wrote:nathancom wrote:
It is the only way to keep a group of high caliber riders together as well. Froome would most likely be gone if he didn't get the opportunity. It just makes sense all round.Yellow Peril wrote:To be honest I don't think Sky will feel any obligation to have Wiggo lead the Tour team just because it's the 100th edition and he is the defending champion. It has to be the best man for the job and the parcours suggests Froome.
It's not a matter of showing your hand as there is nothing to hide. Common sense suggests it will be a moveable feast depending upon form and condition of the riders.
I will miss Wiggins leading at the Tour though, much more interesting interviews than Froome will surely give.
And you can Guarantee we ll al b1tch and moan about sky's lack of personality!
Not taking a pop at you, but I still don't get what people are on about when they say "Sky's lack of personality". Is it the British thing about not liking British winners, regardless of what they do?
I think Brad and Cav were more than interesting during the season. Winning, losing, fighting, arguing. Brads podium interview at the tour finish.
What more do people want? These guys are pro cyclists not stand up comedians.
Precisely!
Me too.....
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Actions speak louder than words: He fell off 500 metres from the end of the final TT stage of the Giro, when in the pink jersey.OCDuPalais wrote:That Denis Menchov, though: he's never once said anything to make me laugh - either in Russian or English. I reckon he's a bit of a tosser...0 -
Le Commentateur wrote:
Actions speak louder than words: He fell off 500 metres from the end of the final TT stage of the Giro, when in the pink jersey.OCDuPalais wrote:That Denis Menchov, though: he's never once said anything to make me laugh - either in Russian or English. I reckon he's a bit of a tosser...
You're so right!
That did make me laugh... You couldn't make it up.0 -
Le Commentateur wrote:
Actions speak louder than words: He fell off 500 metres from the end of the final TT stage of the Giro, when in the pink jersey.OCDuPalais wrote:That Denis Menchov, though: he's never once said anything to make me laugh - either in Russian or English. I reckon he's a bit of a tosser...
That was hilarious.Saracen Tenet 3 - 2015 - Dead - Replaced with a Hack Frame
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prawny wrote:Le Commentateur wrote:
Actions speak louder than words: He fell off 500 metres from the end of the final TT stage of the Giro, when in the pink jersey.OCDuPalais wrote:That Denis Menchov, though: he's never once said anything to make me laugh - either in Russian or English. I reckon he's a bit of a tosser...
That was hilarious.
He didn't 'alf slide some distance on those wet cobbles0 -
Contador is the Greatest0 -
What a crook Menchov is. Dirty as sin but so quiet that he gets away with everything and is never criticised by people on here and writers.
Even before I was educated in doping etc, watching him ride up an HC climb without breathing didn't sit right with me.
Then him being able to hold all of the accelerations of Di Luca was ridiculousContador is the Greatest0
