Seemingly trivial things that cheer you up
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But if we used, say 2007 it is pretty much the sameStevo_666 said:
But gdp is now significantly higher now than it was in say 2005. Go figure.rick_chasey said:
Because they had this thing called growth, which means they didn't have to raise loads of taxes.Stevo_666 said:
To be fair to Blair, he was happy with a 40% top rate of income tax. Care to explain why that was so unacceptable because a Tory proposed restoring it?rick_chasey said:
Higher standard of living however, so who's the real mug?Stevo_666 said:
I think that's a significant factor in France's bloated state spending problem and from memory is something that Macron is trying to get under control - but struggling to do because they go on strike as soon as anyone tries to change anything. Quelle surprise...rick_chasey said:
That's mainly pensions isn't it?Stevo_666 said:
So does that mean every other country in the world apart from France is screwed? Because France pay the most in the world.as a percentage of GDP.pinno said:
So we don't pay as much tax as the French and we don't put as much into pubic spending.Stevo_666 said:
No wonder we're fcuked.
To be fair to Macron, he is trying to reduce public spending - why do you think that is? (Although without much success).
Can you explain the track record under Blair then please?Stevo_666 said:
Hard to say, but Labour's instincts have always been to tax first and ask questions later. Businesses would likely be worse off and not sure what that would have done for investment etc.briantrumpet said:Stevo_666 said:
Clearly I can't prove it as there is no alternative reality where Labour was in power over that period, but I have a hunch that the likes of you and I would be worse off in that scenario.surrey_commuter said:
I think that Labour has won the spending argument and he Tories have stolen their clothes, with the death of the magic money tree this means higher taxes from either.Stevo_666 said:
Not sure. Do you think taxes would be higher or lower if Labour had been I'm power since 2010?surrey_commuter said:
look past the rosette, they may keep talking about cutting taxes but they keep putting them up. After 12 years when would you place more weight on their actions than their words?Stevo_666 said:
As said above, last week's measures not great but they can't ignore the global economic headwinds and there is only one party that will want to get it down again.surrey_commuter said:
after 12 years of being in Govt why do you think the Tory Party is low tax?Stevo_666 said:
That is not a good place to be and needs putting right - there is only one party that actual,y wants to do that. Also we are well below many European countries:rick_chasey said:I would have thought that finally, this government, with the highest taxation in the UK for 70 years, would disabuse you of the notion that taxes are left wing.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_tax_revenue_to_GDP_ratio
This is one area where France is a world leader. However, the supreme court has ruled that they won't be getting our €22m so they can FRO
It seems like only last week that they Tory Chancellor chose to increase taxation
Would you prefer to be French?
I don't think it would be worse under Labour other than some headline grabbing measures which would not mean much.
But what about the UK as a whole, rather than higher-rate taxpayers?
It's a serious question... how could anyone have done worse than the Tories? Pretty much everything they've done has been a misstep, whether that's PPE procurement, handling of Brexit, Truss's 'fiscal event', and so on. It's hard to find a financial decision they've called right, except maybe Hunt's unavoidable U-turn on just about anything that defines Conservatism (or at least the recent iteration of it).
I'm sure you recall well those issues where there were mistakes (real and/or perceived). You may have missed a few like the vaccine rollout and support for Ukraine, for example.
Brown, however, put the top rate up to 50% just before Labour got booted out in a bit of a 'scorched earth' move.
Alas, the Tories can't manage that after a decade and a half.0 -
So if it was the same then...surrey_commuter said:
But if we used, say 2007 it is pretty much the sameStevo_666 said:
But gdp is now significantly higher now than it was in say 2005. Go figure.rick_chasey said:
Because they had this thing called growth, which means they didn't have to raise loads of taxes.Stevo_666 said:
To be fair to Blair, he was happy with a 40% top rate of income tax. Care to explain why that was so unacceptable because a Tory proposed restoring it?rick_chasey said:
Higher standard of living however, so who's the real mug?Stevo_666 said:
I think that's a significant factor in France's bloated state spending problem and from memory is something that Macron is trying to get under control - but struggling to do because they go on strike as soon as anyone tries to change anything. Quelle surprise...rick_chasey said:
That's mainly pensions isn't it?Stevo_666 said:
So does that mean every other country in the world apart from France is screwed? Because France pay the most in the world.as a percentage of GDP.pinno said:
So we don't pay as much tax as the French and we don't put as much into pubic spending.Stevo_666 said:
No wonder we're fcuked.
To be fair to Macron, he is trying to reduce public spending - why do you think that is? (Although without much success).
Can you explain the track record under Blair then please?Stevo_666 said:
Hard to say, but Labour's instincts have always been to tax first and ask questions later. Businesses would likely be worse off and not sure what that would have done for investment etc.briantrumpet said:Stevo_666 said:
Clearly I can't prove it as there is no alternative reality where Labour was in power over that period, but I have a hunch that the likes of you and I would be worse off in that scenario.surrey_commuter said:
I think that Labour has won the spending argument and he Tories have stolen their clothes, with the death of the magic money tree this means higher taxes from either.Stevo_666 said:
Not sure. Do you think taxes would be higher or lower if Labour had been I'm power since 2010?surrey_commuter said:
look past the rosette, they may keep talking about cutting taxes but they keep putting them up. After 12 years when would you place more weight on their actions than their words?Stevo_666 said:
As said above, last week's measures not great but they can't ignore the global economic headwinds and there is only one party that will want to get it down again.surrey_commuter said:
after 12 years of being in Govt why do you think the Tory Party is low tax?Stevo_666 said:
That is not a good place to be and needs putting right - there is only one party that actual,y wants to do that. Also we are well below many European countries:rick_chasey said:I would have thought that finally, this government, with the highest taxation in the UK for 70 years, would disabuse you of the notion that taxes are left wing.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_tax_revenue_to_GDP_ratio
This is one area where France is a world leader. However, the supreme court has ruled that they won't be getting our €22m so they can FRO
It seems like only last week that they Tory Chancellor chose to increase taxation
Would you prefer to be French?
I don't think it would be worse under Labour other than some headline grabbing measures which would not mean much.
But what about the UK as a whole, rather than higher-rate taxpayers?
It's a serious question... how could anyone have done worse than the Tories? Pretty much everything they've done has been a misstep, whether that's PPE procurement, handling of Brexit, Truss's 'fiscal event', and so on. It's hard to find a financial decision they've called right, except maybe Hunt's unavoidable U-turn on just about anything that defines Conservatism (or at least the recent iteration of it).
I'm sure you recall well those issues where there were mistakes (real and/or perceived). You may have missed a few like the vaccine rollout and support for Ukraine, for example.
Brown, however, put the top rate up to 50% just before Labour got booted out in a bit of a 'scorched earth' move.
Alas, the Tories can't manage that after a decade and a half."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
You can split hairs?seanoconn - gruagach craic!0
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I'm probably missing something here but if GDP does not rise in line with inflation then you are going backwards.surrey_commuter said:
But if we used, say 2007 it is pretty much the sameStevo_666 said:
But gdp is now significantly higher now than it was in say 2005. Go figure.rick_chasey said:
Because they had this thing called growth, which means they didn't have to raise loads of taxes.Stevo_666 said:
To be fair to Blair, he was happy with a 40% top rate of income tax. Care to explain why that was so unacceptable because a Tory proposed restoring it?rick_chasey said:
Higher standard of living however, so who's the real mug?Stevo_666 said:
I think that's a significant factor in France's bloated state spending problem and from memory is something that Macron is trying to get under control - but struggling to do because they go on strike as soon as anyone tries to change anything. Quelle surprise...rick_chasey said:
That's mainly pensions isn't it?Stevo_666 said:
So does that mean every other country in the world apart from France is screwed? Because France pay the most in the world.as a percentage of GDP.pinno said:
So we don't pay as much tax as the French and we don't put as much into pubic spending.Stevo_666 said:
No wonder we're fcuked.
To be fair to Macron, he is trying to reduce public spending - why do you think that is? (Although without much success).
Can you explain the track record under Blair then please?Stevo_666 said:
Hard to say, but Labour's instincts have always been to tax first and ask questions later. Businesses would likely be worse off and not sure what that would have done for investment etc.briantrumpet said:Stevo_666 said:
Clearly I can't prove it as there is no alternative reality where Labour was in power over that period, but I have a hunch that the likes of you and I would be worse off in that scenario.surrey_commuter said:
I think that Labour has won the spending argument and he Tories have stolen their clothes, with the death of the magic money tree this means higher taxes from either.Stevo_666 said:
Not sure. Do you think taxes would be higher or lower if Labour had been I'm power since 2010?surrey_commuter said:
look past the rosette, they may keep talking about cutting taxes but they keep putting them up. After 12 years when would you place more weight on their actions than their words?Stevo_666 said:
As said above, last week's measures not great but they can't ignore the global economic headwinds and there is only one party that will want to get it down again.surrey_commuter said:
after 12 years of being in Govt why do you think the Tory Party is low tax?Stevo_666 said:
That is not a good place to be and needs putting right - there is only one party that actual,y wants to do that. Also we are well below many European countries:rick_chasey said:I would have thought that finally, this government, with the highest taxation in the UK for 70 years, would disabuse you of the notion that taxes are left wing.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_tax_revenue_to_GDP_ratio
This is one area where France is a world leader. However, the supreme court has ruled that they won't be getting our €22m so they can FRO
It seems like only last week that they Tory Chancellor chose to increase taxation
Would you prefer to be French?
I don't think it would be worse under Labour other than some headline grabbing measures which would not mean much.
But what about the UK as a whole, rather than higher-rate taxpayers?
It's a serious question... how could anyone have done worse than the Tories? Pretty much everything they've done has been a misstep, whether that's PPE procurement, handling of Brexit, Truss's 'fiscal event', and so on. It's hard to find a financial decision they've called right, except maybe Hunt's unavoidable U-turn on just about anything that defines Conservatism (or at least the recent iteration of it).
I'm sure you recall well those issues where there were mistakes (real and/or perceived). You may have missed a few like the vaccine rollout and support for Ukraine, for example.
Brown, however, put the top rate up to 50% just before Labour got booted out in a bit of a 'scorched earth' move.
Alas, the Tories can't manage that after a decade and a half.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Things that cheer me up? Drugs that work. The Verve clearly went wrong somewhere.
(Not advocating recreational drug use - in my case its therapeutic)Sometimes. Maybe. Possibly.
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You are Nairoman and ICMFP.0
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Those drugs are fine until you need a dump and the constipation caused by the medication is not great with a bad back.0
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Nah, FRI 😉photonic69 said:
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GDP is inflation adjusted.pblakeney said:
I'm probably missing something here but if GDP does not rise in line with inflation then you are going backwards.surrey_commuter said:
But if we used, say 2007 it is pretty much the sameStevo_666 said:
But gdp is now significantly higher now than it was in say 2005. Go figure.rick_chasey said:
Because they had this thing called growth, which means they didn't have to raise loads of taxes.Stevo_666 said:
To be fair to Blair, he was happy with a 40% top rate of income tax. Care to explain why that was so unacceptable because a Tory proposed restoring it?rick_chasey said:
Higher standard of living however, so who's the real mug?Stevo_666 said:
I think that's a significant factor in France's bloated state spending problem and from memory is something that Macron is trying to get under control - but struggling to do because they go on strike as soon as anyone tries to change anything. Quelle surprise...rick_chasey said:
That's mainly pensions isn't it?Stevo_666 said:
So does that mean every other country in the world apart from France is screwed? Because France pay the most in the world.as a percentage of GDP.pinno said:
So we don't pay as much tax as the French and we don't put as much into pubic spending.Stevo_666 said:
No wonder we're fcuked.
To be fair to Macron, he is trying to reduce public spending - why do you think that is? (Although without much success).
Can you explain the track record under Blair then please?Stevo_666 said:
Hard to say, but Labour's instincts have always been to tax first and ask questions later. Businesses would likely be worse off and not sure what that would have done for investment etc.briantrumpet said:Stevo_666 said:
Clearly I can't prove it as there is no alternative reality where Labour was in power over that period, but I have a hunch that the likes of you and I would be worse off in that scenario.surrey_commuter said:
I think that Labour has won the spending argument and he Tories have stolen their clothes, with the death of the magic money tree this means higher taxes from either.Stevo_666 said:
Not sure. Do you think taxes would be higher or lower if Labour had been I'm power since 2010?surrey_commuter said:
look past the rosette, they may keep talking about cutting taxes but they keep putting them up. After 12 years when would you place more weight on their actions than their words?Stevo_666 said:
As said above, last week's measures not great but they can't ignore the global economic headwinds and there is only one party that will want to get it down again.surrey_commuter said:
after 12 years of being in Govt why do you think the Tory Party is low tax?Stevo_666 said:
That is not a good place to be and needs putting right - there is only one party that actual,y wants to do that. Also we are well below many European countries:rick_chasey said:I would have thought that finally, this government, with the highest taxation in the UK for 70 years, would disabuse you of the notion that taxes are left wing.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_tax_revenue_to_GDP_ratio
This is one area where France is a world leader. However, the supreme court has ruled that they won't be getting our €22m so they can FRO
It seems like only last week that they Tory Chancellor chose to increase taxation
Would you prefer to be French?
I don't think it would be worse under Labour other than some headline grabbing measures which would not mean much.
But what about the UK as a whole, rather than higher-rate taxpayers?
It's a serious question... how could anyone have done worse than the Tories? Pretty much everything they've done has been a misstep, whether that's PPE procurement, handling of Brexit, Truss's 'fiscal event', and so on. It's hard to find a financial decision they've called right, except maybe Hunt's unavoidable U-turn on just about anything that defines Conservatism (or at least the recent iteration of it).
I'm sure you recall well those issues where there were mistakes (real and/or perceived). You may have missed a few like the vaccine rollout and support for Ukraine, for example.
Brown, however, put the top rate up to 50% just before Labour got booted out in a bit of a 'scorched earth' move.
Alas, the Tories can't manage that after a decade and a half.0 -
See, I was missing something. 😉surrey_commuter said:If
GDP is inflation adjusted.pblakeney said:
I'm probably missing something here but if GDP does not rise in line with inflation then you are going backwards.surrey_commuter said:
But if we used, say 2007 it is pretty much the sameStevo_666 said:
But gdp is now significantly higher now than it was in say 2005. Go figure.rick_chasey said:
Because they had this thing called growth, which means they didn't have to raise loads of taxes.Stevo_666 said:
To be fair to Blair, he was happy with a 40% top rate of income tax. Care to explain why that was so unacceptable because a Tory proposed restoring it?rick_chasey said:
Higher standard of living however, so who's the real mug?Stevo_666 said:
I think that's a significant factor in France's bloated state spending problem and from memory is something that Macron is trying to get under control - but struggling to do because they go on strike as soon as anyone tries to change anything. Quelle surprise...rick_chasey said:
That's mainly pensions isn't it?Stevo_666 said:
So does that mean every other country in the world apart from France is screwed? Because France pay the most in the world.as a percentage of GDP.pinno said:
So we don't pay as much tax as the French and we don't put as much into pubic spending.Stevo_666 said:
No wonder we're fcuked.
To be fair to Macron, he is trying to reduce public spending - why do you think that is? (Although without much success).
Can you explain the track record under Blair then please?Stevo_666 said:
Hard to say, but Labour's instincts have always been to tax first and ask questions later. Businesses would likely be worse off and not sure what that would have done for investment etc.briantrumpet said:Stevo_666 said:
Clearly I can't prove it as there is no alternative reality where Labour was in power over that period, but I have a hunch that the likes of you and I would be worse off in that scenario.surrey_commuter said:
I think that Labour has won the spending argument and he Tories have stolen their clothes, with the death of the magic money tree this means higher taxes from either.Stevo_666 said:
Not sure. Do you think taxes would be higher or lower if Labour had been I'm power since 2010?surrey_commuter said:
look past the rosette, they may keep talking about cutting taxes but they keep putting them up. After 12 years when would you place more weight on their actions than their words?Stevo_666 said:
As said above, last week's measures not great but they can't ignore the global economic headwinds and there is only one party that will want to get it down again.surrey_commuter said:
after 12 years of being in Govt why do you think the Tory Party is low tax?Stevo_666 said:
That is not a good place to be and needs putting right - there is only one party that actual,y wants to do that. Also we are well below many European countries:rick_chasey said:I would have thought that finally, this government, with the highest taxation in the UK for 70 years, would disabuse you of the notion that taxes are left wing.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_tax_revenue_to_GDP_ratio
This is one area where France is a world leader. However, the supreme court has ruled that they won't be getting our €22m so they can FRO
It seems like only last week that they Tory Chancellor chose to increase taxation
Would you prefer to be French?
I don't think it would be worse under Labour other than some headline grabbing measures which would not mean much.
But what about the UK as a whole, rather than higher-rate taxpayers?
It's a serious question... how could anyone have done worse than the Tories? Pretty much everything they've done has been a misstep, whether that's PPE procurement, handling of Brexit, Truss's 'fiscal event', and so on. It's hard to find a financial decision they've called right, except maybe Hunt's unavoidable U-turn on just about anything that defines Conservatism (or at least the recent iteration of it).
I'm sure you recall well those issues where there were mistakes (real and/or perceived). You may have missed a few like the vaccine rollout and support for Ukraine, for example.
Brown, however, put the top rate up to 50% just before Labour got booted out in a bit of a 'scorched earth' move.
Alas, the Tories can't manage that after a decade and a half.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Not giving into crep weather and driving into Exeter with my trumpet & flugel to do the school show (Little Shop Of Horrors): it tiddled down on Monday when I took them in, left them there for the week during the show, it was raining as I cycled in for the last show tonight, and it tiddled for the ride home with them. Only lightly damp round the edges.
Combined age of these two is about 130 years.
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Only the second reference to a flugel I can remember. The first being on a Jethro Tull album I think, a caption on the back said "Brian played the flugelhorn" actually, I doubt it was Brian but I can't remember the name mentioned.0
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Sadly not me. Seems there was one on Thick As A Brick 2.veronese68 said:Only the second reference to a flugel I can remember. The first being on a Jethro Tull album I think, a caption on the back said "Brian played the flugelhorn" actually, I doubt it was Brian but I can't remember the name mentioned.
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Blimey, I've just listened through that, and not only could I not hear any flugel(horn), but, boy, it's weird.1
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On the subject of music cheering me up, I get cheered by the talent of the young brothers that conduct and accompany our choir. The youngest brother is only 19 and piano is only his back up instrument with his main being saxophone (also plays clarinet and flute) but he can sight read anything that gets put in front of him and just embellishes and tweaks it on the fly. The other brother is a trombonist but also very competent on piano. There are two other brothers who are slightly older but equally talented and they all sing and act too.
Actually, thinking about it I should probably put this in the annoying thread!
Less cheery is that the youngest one had most of his instruments stolen from his car between gigs recently.1 -
Also cheered just now by having an owl glide a metre or so above my head as I was walking the dogs along the road behind my house. I often hear one but think that’s only the second time I’ve seen one out there.1
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Hancock reached the final and came third.
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Perfect! All that discomfort for nowt.N0bodyOfTheGoat said:Hancock reached the final and came third.
The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Three weeks of Matt Hancock sitting in a jungle every day. Is this like the tour de france for reality show watchers? There must be quite a few transition stages.0
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That's certainly what the culture warriors would have you believe.kingstongraham said:Three weeks of Matt Hancock sitting in a jungle every day. Is this like the tour de france for reality show watchers? There must be quite a few transition stages.
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rick_chasey said:
That's certainly what the culture warriors would have you believe.kingstongraham said:Three weeks of Matt Hancock sitting in a jungle every day. Is this like the tour de france for reality show watchers? There must be quite a few transition stages.
I meant in that it's a niche interest, and mostly quite dull.
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It's not your interest (or mine), but it seems to be watched by a lot of people, so I don't think you can describe it as niche.kingstongraham said:rick_chasey said:
That's certainly what the culture warriors would have you believe.kingstongraham said:Three weeks of Matt Hancock sitting in a jungle every day. Is this like the tour de france for reality show watchers? There must be quite a few transition stages.
I meant in that it's a niche interest, and mostly quite dull.0 -
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Is that you saying you like fireworks?rick_chasey said:whoosh
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Haha... a friend ignored my assessment of weather prospects today and headed west, while I headed east: they cut their ride short because of heavy showers, and I had a lovely day in the sun taking a trumpet to be repaired and visiting my godmother in Sidmouth.
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That's a climb therebriantrumpet said:Haha... a friend ignored my assessment of weather prospects today and headed west, while I headed east: they cut their ride short because of heavy showers, and I had a lovely day in the sun taking a trumpet to be repaired and visiting my godmother in Sidmouth.
Reminds me of a run I once decided to do along the coast from the donkey sanctuary to Budleigh. A bit hilly....0
