Seemingly trivial things that annoy you
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Are you sure? The EIC was a private corporation independent of the British government. Likewise the Hudson Bay Company, Muscovy Company, etc. The trade came first and the empire came as the corporations sought to secure their markets from competitors. Only later were these nationalised.rick_chasey said:1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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I mean, globalism literally didn't exist as a concept until the fall of the various colonial Empires, so yeah.rjsterry said:
Globalism is a lot to do with international integration, sharing political values, including forms of government (liberal, democratic etc), and that wasn't really on the cards back then.
International trade has been around forever.0 -
Globalism is international trade.
All the other stuff is just what greases the wheels.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
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I bet you could write a book saying that it is, and that it would be really convincing until you'd read the book that says it isn't. And vice versa.rick_chasey said:I mean, it is literally not, but OK.
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The whole point of globalisation is that it *isn't* just international trade, but that politics, foreign policies, economic policies, are all intertwined and inseparable, so they must be managed at an international level, not a national level.
The entire definition is that it is not just international trade. That's the whole point!0 -
At least in our neck of the woods, wealth = re-election. So like children swarming about the ball during a school football match, the political alignment follows from the international trade.rick_chasey said:The whole point of globalisation is that it *isn't* just international trade, but that politics, foreign policies, economic policies, are all intertwined and inseparable, so they must be managed at an international level, not a national level.
The entire definition is that it is not just international trade. That's the whole point!
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You appear to think that politics drives trade.rick_chasey said:The whole point of globalisation is that it *isn't* just international trade, but that politics, foreign policies, economic policies, are all intertwined and inseparable, so they must be managed at an international level, not a national level.
The entire definition is that it is not just international trade. That's the whole point!
I think the opposite is true. I'm leaving it as agree to disagree.
Edited for clarity, and timeline.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
I'm saying trade drives politics, so we are agreeing. The key word is "follow".pblakeney said:You appear to think that politics drives trade.
I think the opposite is true. I'm leaving it as agree to disagree.1 -
I think where I have sympathy for Pinno's argument is that you consistently ignore the way people were treated in the UK at the same time. For example, UK courts finally determined that rape within marriage was illegal in 1991. Beating children in schools was banned in 1996. Homosexuality became legal in 1967. In 1948 Workhouses were finally abolished. Etc.rick_chasey said:
How far back do we have to go before the "modern concepts of morality" are no longer applicable? A day? A week? A year? A decade? a century?
Presumably you are happy to pass moral judgement on my forum posts, even though every time you read it, you're reading history, as it was written in the past.
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My comment (which I've edited) was replying to Rick.First.Aspect said:The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
*head in hands*.pblakeney said:
I think the opposite is true. I'm leaving it as agree to disagree.
Edited for clarity, and timeline.
We're talking at cross purposes. I'm giving you the definition of globalisation, as you seem to think it is just about trade and the rest is irrelevant.
Globalisation is the idea that economics, trade, politics, are all inseparable, and must be considered as a whole at an *international level*
I'm not commenting on what follows another. FWIW, I don't think there is a sequence and it's all the same sh!t and you can't consider them independently.0 -
Back on topic - this thread for the past few pages!6
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I do not disagree with any of that.rjsterry said:
Similarly, if you take over and run a country for a long period, then leave at short notice with no handover to another authority, that will leave a gap to be exploited.
There was a handover in Uganda, Kenya, Tanzania and Zimbabwe (of the one's I know of).
In Zimbabwe, it was agreed (and signed by Mugabe) that:
1. 70% of farmers paid compensation for the land they occupied and could keep it.
2. 20 seats in parliament were retained for white representation and to ease the transition.
Mugabe rescinded the agreement. Agriculture in Zimbabwe was the economic spine of the country and when Mugabe stirred up further anti-white farmer animosity it was in contravention of the above. Once they took over the farms, both the economy and farms collapsed. Prior to that, they removed the 20 parliamentary seats previously reserved.
Jomo Kenyatta (the 1st president of Kenya) became the 1st Prime minister before becoming president. His continuous use of reconciliatory prose and policy was part of a co-ordinated hand over. See my post above about Churchill's transitionary commission, which started almost 10 years before the actual handover.
Where it went badly wrong was in places like Kashmir and Pakistan where the British exit was too rapid and lines were drawn without proper consideration.
The 2nd WW bled Britain dry. Who knows what various handovers would have been like had Britain not had to withdraw so hastily.seanoconn - gruagach craic!0 -
Exactly. Not sure that is something new, though, although the scale has undoubtedly increased. Despite on paper there being various competing empires there was still a fair amount of international coordination.rick_chasey said:
We're talking at cross purposes. I'm giving you the definition of globalisation, as you seem to think it is just about trade and the rest is irrelevant.
Globalisation is the idea that economics, trade, politics, are all inseparable, and must be considered as a whole at an *international level*
I'm not commenting on what follows another. FWIW, I don't think there is a sequence and it's all the same sh!t and you can't consider them independently.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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Ah, there are other threads if you don't like this one. And it is supposed to be annoying 😛Wheelspinner said:1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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Supposed to be trivial too!rjsterry said:0 -
Will it ever stop?
Yo, I don't know.
Vanilla Ice, 1990.
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The initial post about that headline was. Blame that Mr Pinno for arguing with me 😀.Pross said:1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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I think that's Terminator 2: Judgement Day.focuszing723 said:How far back will AI judge humanity, probably more relevant.
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The use of unnecessary words e.g on the cycling commentary now “the young 19 year old” or the hairdresser opposite the building my choir rehearse in has a sign “Ladies and gents unisex hairdresser”0
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People asking the same question others have already asked and had answered. The rugby club I support are in a cup final on Saturday and there have been numerous posts every day recently asking what time is kick off and how to get tickets.0
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Shrinkflation.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
There's a tradie van I see locally some days... "Specialist in all kinds of tiling"Pross said:The use of unnecessary words e.g on the cycling commentary now “the young 19 year old” or the hairdresser opposite the building my choir rehearse in has a sign “Ladies and gents unisex hairdresser”
Grrrr.
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It happening, becoming more prevalent and obvious.Pross said:
I reckon duo bars of Snickers etc. are now the size that individual bars used to be. I’d rather pay more and get the proper size.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
pblakeney said:
It's a good word to describe a really annoying practice.0 -
6 mini bars for 79p in Lidl - Happy daysPross said:
I reckon duo bars of Snickers etc. are now the size that individual bars used to be. I’d rather pay more and get the proper size.0