Seemingly trivial things that annoy you

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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    First.Aspect said:

    rick_chasey said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    rick_chasey said:

    Worked my nuts off with a potential big client - multiple phone calls, video calls, you name it.

    Eventually got him to agree to meet face-to-face - this matters as I find it much harder to read the room on a video call and this guy is not the most communicative. I'm twice as good in person (or half as good on video).

    Can't make the time agreed, no problem, re-arranged for another time.

    Only that's the day of the train strikes. His diary is a nightmare, so it's back to a video call, FFS.

    why wouldn't you stay in Town for the night?
    Client can’t get in either
    Make the effort to drive to where he is?
    lol his house? might be a bit much.
    _
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,593
    edited October 2022
    rick_chasey said:

    First.Aspect said:

    rick_chasey said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    rick_chasey said:

    Worked my nuts off with a potential big client - multiple phone calls, video calls, you name it.

    Eventually got him to agree to meet face-to-face - this matters as I find it much harder to read the room on a video call and this guy is not the most communicative. I'm twice as good in person (or half as good on video).

    Can't make the time agreed, no problem, re-arranged for another time.

    Only that's the day of the train strikes. His diary is a nightmare, so it's back to a video call, FFS.

    why wouldn't you stay in Town for the night?
    Client can’t get in either
    Make the effort to drive to where he is?
    lol his house? might be a bit much.
    Hotel, restaurant, bar....?
    At least make the offer and be seen to be keen and accommodating.
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
    I am not sure. You have no chance.
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  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,465
    pblakeney said:

    rick_chasey said:

    First.Aspect said:

    rick_chasey said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    rick_chasey said:

    Worked my nuts off with a potential big client - multiple phone calls, video calls, you name it.

    Eventually got him to agree to meet face-to-face - this matters as I find it much harder to read the room on a video call and this guy is not the most communicative. I'm twice as good in person (or half as good on video).

    Can't make the time agreed, no problem, re-arranged for another time.

    Only that's the day of the train strikes. His diary is a nightmare, so it's back to a video call, FFS.

    why wouldn't you stay in Town for the night?
    Client can’t get in either
    Make the effort to drive to where he is?
    lol his house? might be a bit much.
    Hotel, restaurant, bar....?
    At least make the offer and be seen to be keen and accommodating.
    Exactly.
  • pinno
    pinno Posts: 52,619
    Meet half way?
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  • orraloon
    orraloon Posts: 13,299
    SO Energy. 'kin useless customer admin. Approaching 6 months since I inherited them as existing gas 'n' leccy supplier when bought the property. Still not activated my account properly, one wildly excessive guesstimated bill end month 1, since then zero updates on usage despite multiple meter readings submitted.

    They got smart meters installed end August. No gas readings taken since, and unable to submit manually, get error message. For the record and as ammunition for the inevitable argument over £ due, I send them datestamped photos of the gas meter reading. Did it again this morning.

    Just had an email back:

    Hello redacted

    Thank you for your email.

    I have raised this with the metering team and they will investigate your account because there is no indication of gas supply. I have checked and I see we supply your gas but the metering team will have to update your account to reflect this.

    Apologies for the inconvenience.

    How tf can a 'professional' organisation be so 'kin useless?

    Time to pull the plug and force a move to a different supplier, given tariffs are pretty std across the board in these weird economic times.

    [/end rant]
  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,465
    pinno said:

    Meet half way?

    In a layby. Or some woodland.
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,682
    orraloon said:

    SO Energy. 'kin useless customer admin. Approaching 6 months since I inherited them as existing gas 'n' leccy supplier when bought the property. Still not activated my account properly, one wildly excessive guesstimated bill end month 1, since then zero updates on usage despite multiple meter readings submitted.

    They got smart meters installed end August. No gas readings taken since, and unable to submit manually, get error message. For the record and as ammunition for the inevitable argument over £ due, I send them datestamped photos of the gas meter reading. Did it again this morning.

    Just had an email back:

    Hello redacted

    Thank you for your email.

    I have raised this with the metering team and they will investigate your account because there is no indication of gas supply. I have checked and I see we supply your gas but the metering team will have to update your account to reflect this.

    Apologies for the inconvenience.

    How tf can a 'professional' organisation be so 'kin useless?

    Time to pull the plug and force a move to a different supplier, given tariffs are pretty std across the board in these weird economic times.

    [/end rant]

    Ombudsman?
  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,474
    Recruitment agencies

    Have inserted themselves into the job market, added no value and reduced the visibility of what actual jobs are available and where

    At least estate agents put the houses for sale in their effing windows.

    A pox

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  • pangolin
    pangolin Posts: 6,666
    And the houses have prices on them.

    Job at mystery company for mystery salary! Sign me up.
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  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,593
    tailwindhome said:

    Recruitment agencies

    Have inserted themselves into the job market, added no value and reduced the visibility of what actual jobs are available and where

    At least estate agents put the houses for sale in their effing windows.

    A pox

    ... and no knowledge of the roles they are trying to fill. Rumour has it they simply use keyword searches so a plumber can be an ideal candidate as piping engineer.
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
    I am not sure. You have no chance.
    Veronese68 wrote:
    PB is the most sensible person on here.
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 22,079
    tailwindhome said:

    Recruitment agencies

    Have inserted themselves into the job market, added no value and reduced the visibility of what actual jobs are available and where

    At least estate agents put the houses for sale in their effing windows.

    A pox

    I agree. There is one poster here who doesn't.
  • pinno
    pinno Posts: 52,619
    First.Aspect said:

    pinno said:

    Meet half way?

    In a layby. Or some woodland.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6VnAdxMaeU
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  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,465
    TheBigBean said:

    tailwindhome said:

    Recruitment agencies

    Have inserted themselves into the job market, added no value and reduced the visibility of what actual jobs are available and where

    At least estate agents put the houses for sale in their effing windows.

    A pox

    I agree. There is one poster here who doesn't.
    Yup. Salary competitive. Could be anywhere between £70k and £150k for someone with 1+ years post qualification experience.

    Hey guys, where you are in that band does make a difference you know.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    edited October 2022
    First.Aspect said:

    TheBigBean said:

    tailwindhome said:

    Recruitment agencies

    Have inserted themselves into the job market, added no value and reduced the visibility of what actual jobs are available and where

    At least estate agents put the houses for sale in their effing windows.

    A pox

    I agree. There is one poster here who doesn't.
    Yup. Salary competitive. Could be anywhere between £70k and £150k for someone with 1+ years post qualification experience.

    Hey guys, where you are in that band does make a difference you know.
    The hiring firms pays the bills and they want someone on the cheap. Duuuh

    And anyway, it’s a myth that most firms know exactly what they want to pay. Everyone’s different and is a different value proposition, unless you’re doing very menial transactional work.

    This way the agency takes all the ire and not the hiring firm for being cheap. Worth the fee if they do find someone eh?
    _
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    And as ever, if you get bad recruiters, chances are you’re not paid enough 😜
    _
  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,465
    rick_chasey said:

    First.Aspect said:

    TheBigBean said:

    tailwindhome said:

    Recruitment agencies

    Have inserted themselves into the job market, added no value and reduced the visibility of what actual jobs are available and where

    At least estate agents put the houses for sale in their effing windows.

    A pox

    I agree. There is one poster here who doesn't.
    Yup. Salary competitive. Could be anywhere between £70k and £150k for someone with 1+ years post qualification experience.

    Hey guys, where you are in that band does make a difference you know.
    The hiring firms pays the bills and they want someone on the cheap. Duuuh

    And anyway, it’s a myth that most firms know exactly what they want to pay. Everyone’s different and is a different value proposition, unless you’re doing very menial transactional work.

    This way the agency takes all the ire and not the hiring firm for being cheap. Worth the fee if they do find someone eh?
    It is a total waste of time interviewing someone for 50% of what they are on for a job ostensibly for the same seniority level. If you advertise without salary and get 25 applicants, it is less informative than if you advertise with the expected salary and get 1 or 2, no?

    Why are the British so coy about it?
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    edited October 2022
    First.Aspect said:

    rick_chasey said:

    First.Aspect said:

    TheBigBean said:

    tailwindhome said:

    Recruitment agencies

    Have inserted themselves into the job market, added no value and reduced the visibility of what actual jobs are available and where

    At least estate agents put the houses for sale in their effing windows.

    A pox

    I agree. There is one poster here who doesn't.
    Yup. Salary competitive. Could be anywhere between £70k and £150k for someone with 1+ years post qualification experience.

    Hey guys, where you are in that band does make a difference you know.
    The hiring firms pays the bills and they want someone on the cheap. Duuuh

    And anyway, it’s a myth that most firms know exactly what they want to pay. Everyone’s different and is a different value proposition, unless you’re doing very menial transactional work.

    This way the agency takes all the ire and not the hiring firm for being cheap. Worth the fee if they do find someone eh?
    It is a total waste of time interviewing someone for 50% of what they are on for a job ostensibly for the same seniority level. If you advertise without salary and get 25 applicants, it is less informative than if you advertise with the expected salary and get 1 or 2, no?

    Why are the British so coy about it?
    Sure but the recruiters do the sifting, not the hiring manager. That’s what the hiring manager is paying for.

    You have to think if it was **so** useless, they would never use them or pay them. So what are they getting out of it?

    I mean, at the level of agency the fees are sh!t and the pay ia sh!t so let’s not pretend it’s a deeply consultative approach but then you’re at the Aldi of recruitment.

    Can always do the hiring directly if ya want.
    _
  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 20,930

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  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 22,079
    rick_chasey said:

    First.Aspect said:

    TheBigBean said:

    tailwindhome said:

    Recruitment agencies

    Have inserted themselves into the job market, added no value and reduced the visibility of what actual jobs are available and where

    At least estate agents put the houses for sale in their effing windows.

    A pox

    I agree. There is one poster here who doesn't.
    Yup. Salary competitive. Could be anywhere between £70k and £150k for someone with 1+ years post qualification experience.

    Hey guys, where you are in that band does make a difference you know.
    The hiring firms pays the bills and they want someone on the cheap. Duuuh

    And anyway, it’s a myth that most firms know exactly what they want to pay. Everyone’s different and is a different value proposition, unless you’re doing very menial transactional work.

    This way the agency takes all the ire and not the hiring firm for being cheap. Worth the fee if they do find someone eh?
    I'm less fussed about the salary and more irritated that the company offering the job is rarely disclosed. That and the lack of confidentiality on application.
  • webboo
    webboo Posts: 6,087
    rick_chasey said:

    First.Aspect said:

    rick_chasey said:

    First.Aspect said:

    TheBigBean said:

    tailwindhome said:

    Recruitment agencies

    Have inserted themselves into the job market, added no value and reduced the visibility of what actual jobs are available and where

    At least estate agents put the houses for sale in their effing windows.

    A pox

    I agree. There is one poster here who doesn't.
    Yup. Salary competitive. Could be anywhere between £70k and £150k for someone with 1+ years post qualification experience.

    Hey guys, where you are in that band does make a difference you know.
    The hiring firms pays the bills and they want someone on the cheap. Duuuh

    And anyway, it’s a myth that most firms know exactly what they want to pay. Everyone’s different and is a different value proposition, unless you’re doing very menial transactional work.

    This way the agency takes all the ire and not the hiring firm for being cheap. Worth the fee if they do find someone eh?
    It is a total waste of time interviewing someone for 50% of what they are on for a job ostensibly for the same seniority level. If you advertise without salary and get 25 applicants, it is less informative than if you advertise with the expected salary and get 1 or 2, no?

    Why are the British so coy about it?
    Sure but the recruiters do the sifting, not the hiring manager. That’s what the hiring manager is paying for.

    You have to think if it was **so** useless, they would never use them or pay them. So what are they getting out of it?

    I mean, at the level of agency the fees are sh!t and the pay ia sh!t so let’s not pretend it’s a deeply consultative approach but then you’re at the Aldi of recruitment.

    Can always do the hiring directly if ya want.
    One might say someone does protest too much.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    Industry is littered with cowboys as the barriers to entry are getting a phone and a working email address, for sure.

    Can offer plenty of advice to avoid them if you want.

    FWIW recruiters who do not stick to confidentiality can’t survive very long.
    _
  • Jezyboy
    Jezyboy Posts: 3,673
    TheBigBean said:

    rick_chasey said:

    First.Aspect said:

    TheBigBean said:

    tailwindhome said:

    Recruitment agencies

    Have inserted themselves into the job market, added no value and reduced the visibility of what actual jobs are available and where

    At least estate agents put the houses for sale in their effing windows.

    A pox

    I agree. There is one poster here who doesn't.
    Yup. Salary competitive. Could be anywhere between £70k and £150k for someone with 1+ years post qualification experience.

    Hey guys, where you are in that band does make a difference you know.
    The hiring firms pays the bills and they want someone on the cheap. Duuuh

    And anyway, it’s a myth that most firms know exactly what they want to pay. Everyone’s different and is a different value proposition, unless you’re doing very menial transactional work.

    This way the agency takes all the ire and not the hiring firm for being cheap. Worth the fee if they do find someone eh?
    I'm less fussed about the salary and more irritated that the company offering the job is rarely disclosed. That and the lack of confidentiality on application.
    I'd say 90 percent of the adverts you see in engineering you can easily work out what the company is...

  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,465
    rick_chasey said:

    First.Aspect said:

    rick_chasey said:

    First.Aspect said:

    TheBigBean said:

    tailwindhome said:

    Recruitment agencies

    Have inserted themselves into the job market, added no value and reduced the visibility of what actual jobs are available and where

    At least estate agents put the houses for sale in their effing windows.

    A pox

    I agree. There is one poster here who doesn't.
    Yup. Salary competitive. Could be anywhere between £70k and £150k for someone with 1+ years post qualification experience.

    Hey guys, where you are in that band does make a difference you know.
    The hiring firms pays the bills and they want someone on the cheap. Duuuh

    And anyway, it’s a myth that most firms know exactly what they want to pay. Everyone’s different and is a different value proposition, unless you’re doing very menial transactional work.

    This way the agency takes all the ire and not the hiring firm for being cheap. Worth the fee if they do find someone eh?
    It is a total waste of time interviewing someone for 50% of what they are on for a job ostensibly for the same seniority level. If you advertise without salary and get 25 applicants, it is less informative than if you advertise with the expected salary and get 1 or 2, no?

    Why are the British so coy about it?
    Sure but the recruiters do the sifting, not the hiring manager. That’s what the hiring manager is paying for.

    You have to think if it was **so** useless, they would never use them or pay them. So what are they getting out of it?

    I mean, at the level of agency the fees are sh!t and the pay ia sh!t so let’s not pretend it’s a deeply consultative approach but then you’re at the Aldi of recruitment.

    Can always do the hiring directly if ya want.
    So hang on. Law firm partner level is Aldi?

    This is clearly bollocks.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    You’re not gonna get consistently good recruitment under £150-200k comp.

    Over that you probably will.
    _
  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,465
    rick_chasey said:

    You’re not gonna get consistently good recruitment under £150-200k comp.

    Over that you probably will.

    Uh huh
  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,465
    First.Aspect said:

    rick_chasey said:

    You’re not gonna get consistently good recruitment under £150-200k comp.

    Over that you probably will.

    Uh huh
    Kind of damning if only the top 1-2% of your industry is anything other than shit, wouldn't you say?
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 22,079
    rick_chasey said:

    Industry is littered with cowboys as the barriers to entry are getting a phone and a working email address, for sure.

    Can offer plenty of advice to avoid them if you want.

    FWIW recruiters who do not stick to confidentiality can’t survive very long.

    Why? As you point out it is the employer who is the client and paying the bills, and it is them who likes the intel.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    TheBigBean said:

    rick_chasey said:

    Industry is littered with cowboys as the barriers to entry are getting a phone and a working email address, for sure.

    Can offer plenty of advice to avoid them if you want.

    FWIW recruiters who do not stick to confidentiality can’t survive very long.

    Why? As you point out it is the employer who is the client and paying the bills, and it is them who likes the intel.
    Word gets around fast and then no one will speak to you.
    _
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    First.Aspect said:

    First.Aspect said:

    rick_chasey said:

    You’re not gonna get consistently good recruitment under £150-200k comp.

    Over that you probably will.

    Uh huh
    Kind of damning if only the top 1-2% of your industry is anything other than censored , wouldn't you say?
    I wouldn’t know I’m in that top 1% 🤗
    _
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,682
    20% of a £40k salary isn’t exactly peanuts for a “consultant” to answer a phone call, spend half an hour (if you’re lucky) discussing the role and then sifting through their database to send over a few candidates that match the brief then spending a few hours arranging an interview and a bit of back and forth to agree the package. £8k total for someone who would be charged out at maybe £75 per hour. Even at Director level in my sector you’d be looking at around 1.5 weeks of billable work to earn that.

    I will say that my limited experience of “headhunters” is more positive. They know the role and are actively looking for people that match then handling a large part of the process. I had to go through a sifting interview and a video interview before even speaking to the people at the company they were working for.

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