Seemingly trivial things that annoy you

pangolin

First.Aspect said:

Makes sense that something other than caffeine also gets extracted.

Makes sense unless you look at how they decaffeinate coffee. Not all decaf coffees are created equally. The swiss water process should pretty much just be removing caffeine.

pangolin

briantrumpet said:

rick_chasey said:

First.Aspect said:

Makes sense that something other than caffeine also gets extracted.

Ja. Bit like semi skimmed milk.

Indeed, or alcohol-free beer. The best you can do is to find one that is just-palatable.

It is trivially annoying that I have told you it can be good and your response is "ah well all decaf is crap I just have to live with it".

You can lead a musician to coffee but you can't make him drink.

Try something like this https://extractcoffee.co.uk/shop/sugarcane-decaf/
A hand grinder like this https://www.amazon.co.uk/Hario-Mill-Mini-Slim-Plus/dp/B01GPMH590/ref=asc_df_B01GPMH590/

And a v60 or an aeropress.

First.Aspect

pangolin said:

First.Aspect said:

Makes sense that something other than caffeine also gets extracted.

Makes sense unless you look at how they decaffeinate coffee. Not all decaf coffees are created equally. The swiss water process should pretty much just be removing caffeine.

What makes you think caffeine is the only small molecule that gets leached out?

briantrumpet

pangolin said:

briantrumpet said:

rick_chasey said:

First.Aspect said:

Makes sense that something other than caffeine also gets extracted.

Ja. Bit like semi skimmed milk.

Indeed, or alcohol-free beer. The best you can do is to find one that is just-palatable.

It is trivially annoying that I have told you it can be good and your response is "ah well all decaf is censored I just have to live with it".

You can lead a musician to coffee but you can't make him drink.

Try something like this https://extractcoffee.co.uk/shop/sugarcane-decaf/
A hand grinder like this https://www.amazon.co.uk/Hario-Mill-Mini-Slim-Plus/dp/B01GPMH590/ref=asc_df_B01GPMH590/

And a v60 or an aeropress.

I'm not so fussed about coffee that I'll go to great effort or expense - if I've got something OK, I can happily live with that. Ditto non decaf.

pangolin

First.Aspect said:

pangolin said:

First.Aspect said:

Makes sense that something other than caffeine also gets extracted.

Makes sense unless you look at how they decaffeinate coffee. Not all decaf coffees are created equally. The swiss water process should pretty much just be removing caffeine.

What makes you think caffeine is the only small molecule that gets leached out?

Step 1 - it's getting leached into water that already contains all those other small molecules

First.Aspect

pangolin said:

First.Aspect said:

pangolin said:

First.Aspect said:

Makes sense that something other than caffeine also gets extracted.

Makes sense unless you look at how they decaffeinate coffee. Not all decaf coffees are created equally. The swiss water process should pretty much just be removing caffeine.

What makes you think caffeine is the only small molecule that gets leached out?

Step 1 - it's getting leached into water that already contains all those other small molecules

Bit fishy. It presumes those constituents are present in the same places and the same amounts before and after being soaked in something generic.

And the term "supersaturation" means, roughly, more solute than you'd get from just soaking the beans until reaching equilibrium. It seems to me that will add something to the beans, if anything.

It is probably a lot better than just water, but not as good as leaving the beans alone in the first place.

verylonglegs

People who watch true crime stories about serial killers and then comment on how awful said person was and how gruesome the story is. What did you think you were going to see?

morstar

verylonglegs said:

People who watch true crime stories about serial killers and then comment on how awful said person was and how gruesome the story is. What did you think you were going to see?

Speaking of which…
Just watched Maxine. Drama on the Soham murders. Not trivial, but eurghhh.

mully79

verylonglegs said:

People who watch true crime stories about serial killers and then comment on how awful said person was and how gruesome the story is. What did you think you were going to see?

Just watching the Jeffrey Darmer series and it’s the most difficult thing I’ve ever tried to watch. I’d probably say he’s an awful person and it’s a pretty gruesome story 😂

morstar

Watched Dahmer the other week.
The common theme with that and Maxine is that both the perpetrators are portrayed as truly pathetic individuals. I assume the characterisations are trying to capture what the person was like.

pinno

briantrumpet said:

pinno said:

I use a conserve jar to keep my (pre-ground) Lavazza in.
...and I have both normal and de-caff. The de-caff Lavazza Rossa is more than palatable in my Mocca and for Latte's.

"More than palatable" will do. I've spent quite a bit of money on fancier brands and fancy beans, and most of it still tastes very decaf, not least as most of it seems to be weak, and by the time you use enough to give it some guts it just tastes of decaf.

Lavazza de-caff is fine. I only use a Mocca and it extracts enough grunt.

rjsterry

pinno said:

briantrumpet said:

pinno said:

I use a conserve jar to keep my (pre-ground) Lavazza in.
...and I have both normal and de-caff. The de-caff Lavazza Rossa is more than palatable in my Mocca and for Latte's.

"More than palatable" will do. I've spent quite a bit of money on fancier brands and fancy beans, and most of it still tastes very decaf, not least as most of it seems to be weak, and by the time you use enough to give it some guts it just tastes of decaf.

Lavazza de-caff is fine. I only use a Mocca and it extracts enough grunt.

Yep. Absolutely fine for everyday use. You can still still have something fancy for weekend mornings or whatever.

Talking of which, have you tried the Coffee Factory by Seaton Junction, Brian?

TheBigBean

Coffee.

briantrumpet

rjsterry said:

pinno said:

briantrumpet said:

pinno said:

I use a conserve jar to keep my (pre-ground) Lavazza in.
...and I have both normal and de-caff. The de-caff Lavazza Rossa is more than palatable in my Mocca and for Latte's.

"More than palatable" will do. I've spent quite a bit of money on fancier brands and fancy beans, and most of it still tastes very decaf, not least as most of it seems to be weak, and by the time you use enough to give it some guts it just tastes of decaf.

Lavazza de-caff is fine. I only use a Mocca and it extracts enough grunt.

Yep. Absolutely fine for everyday use. You can still still have something fancy for weekend mornings or whatever.

Talking of which, have you tried the Coffee Factory by Seaton Junction, Brian?

No, not yet. Though we are spoilt for choice really... in Exeter there's Exe Coffee Roasters, for instance, and there are several others. Once upon a time the choice was Carwardines or Carwardines.

I'm more likely to have really good coffee when out, though... a lot of the cafés use local coffee, and they have both the equipment and expertise to make a good espresso.

First.Aspect

briantrumpet said:

rjsterry said:

pinno said:

briantrumpet said:

pinno said:

I use a conserve jar to keep my (pre-ground) Lavazza in.
...and I have both normal and de-caff. The de-caff Lavazza Rossa is more than palatable in my Mocca and for Latte's.

"More than palatable" will do. I've spent quite a bit of money on fancier brands and fancy beans, and most of it still tastes very decaf, not least as most of it seems to be weak, and by the time you use enough to give it some guts it just tastes of decaf.

Lavazza de-caff is fine. I only use a Mocca and it extracts enough grunt.

Yep. Absolutely fine for everyday use. You can still still have something fancy for weekend mornings or whatever.

Talking of which, have you tried the Coffee Factory by Seaton Junction, Brian?

No, not yet. Though we are spoilt for choice really... in Exeter there's Exe Coffee Roasters, for instance, and there are several others. Once upon a time the choice was Carwardines or Carwardines.

I'm more likely to have really good coffee when out, though... a lot of the cafés use local coffee, and they have both the equipment and expertise to make a good espresso.

Local coffee? Come on, in know its warm and wet in the west country Brian, but this is a surprise to me.

JimD666

Fruit tea. Smell fantastic (most of them at least). Taste worse than dishwater

Pross

JimD666 said:

Fruit tea. Smell fantastic (most of them at least). Taste worse than dishwater

Yeah, I remember the first time I tried blackcurrant tea. It smelled like warm Ribena and the first mouthful was such a disappointment. I don’t think I’ve had any since.

briantrumpet

Discovering that apparently no replacement 50T 105 chainring is available in the UK, and so ordering one for nearly £50 from the EU.

morstar

Just watched a drama on catch up over the last few days. The rising. Moderately enjoyable but nothing special.

However, I did reflect on the character portrayal of the main protagonists to include bit of agenda peddling.

5 white male characters.
1 the villain of the piece.
1 the villains brother and helps him cover his crimes.
1 a drunk. Father of main character. (Does redeem himself though).
1 obnoxious. Main characters boyfriend who is an arse when dumped.
1 who is gay but in closet is the only white male without a major character flaw.

With the exception of the main characters mother, all of the other characters are from a minority group and are portrayed as decent (if sometimes flawed) people.

I had zero problem with any of the groups being portrayed but it struck me as a bit like Hollywood always using English characters as baddies.

I am well aware I have some advantages in life as a white male but that doesn’t make me a twunt by nature.

rick_chasey

Have decided to get the earlier train in for the foreseeable in the hope it will be more reliable as there are fewer opportunities for even earlier trains to screw it up and generally the network is quieter.

So far so good though don’t want to jinx it.

Downside is I am at my desk by 7:50, but I guess I should make the most of the extra time.

I do get very hungry quite a way before lunch as I’m eating breakfast at 6.

pblakeney

rick_chasey said:

Downside is I am at my desk by 7:50, but I guess I should make the most of the extra time.

I do get very hungry quite a way before lunch as I’m eating breakfast at 6.

What you need is a Hobbit style second breakfast. 😉 Flexi time giving the opportunity of an early finish? Works well for me, especially in summer.

rick_chasey

Nah I meet people for a living. Can't head home early.

The real solution is arranging more breakfast meetings, tbh.

de_sisti

When someone who provides a service upon greeting you says: "How can I help?"

To me, it sounds as if they're just going through the motions, and are not that interested in you, as a customer.

In my opinion, saying : "How can I help you?" comes across as a much more genuine greeting.

webboo

I was once was set on a public relations course and the American facilitator suggest you greet people with “ How can I service you “

JimD666

The wife booked the Christmas Shopping slot with Sainsburys this morning.

It's not even November.

Bah Humbug.

Pross

The use of the word 'signposting' e.g. 'if you speak to your local councillor they can signpost you to the available support'.

Ben6899

Just catching up. @briantrumpet I recommend Waitrose No.1 "Peru", if you're looking for decaffeinated ground coffee.

Makes a decent lungo in the machine and works nicely in a French press. I'm immune to caffeine, but t'other half can't touch it after about 11am, so we always have some in the house.

pinno

Haven't you heard of the Highlands of Exmoor?

Ben6899 said:

I'm immune to caffeine, but t'other half can't touch it after about 11am, so we always have some in the house.

I thought I was immune to caffeine.
Then I cut it right down to 1 coffee per day and always before mid-day. Now I sleep an awful lot better.
Occasionally, if on a long bike ride, i'll sink an espresso. When you cut down on the caffeine, the effect when you do have it is far more pronounced.
I've noticed caffeine in a lot of energy drinks. These one's I avoid.
Just bought some Torq stuff. Will see how I get on.

Ben6899

pinno said:

Haven't you heard of the Highlands of Exmoor?

Ben6899 said:

I'm immune to caffeine, but t'other half can't touch it after about 11am, so we always have some in the house.

I thought I was immune to caffeine.
Then I cut it right down to 1 coffee per day and always before mid-day. Now I sleep an awful lot better.
Occasionally, if on a long bike ride, i'll sink an espresso. When you cut down on the caffeine, the effect when you do have it is far more pronounced.
I've noticed caffeine in a lot of energy drinks. These one's I avoid.
Just bought some Torq stuff. Will see how I get on.

Tell me more about the Highlands of Exmoor!

Maybe if I cut down on caffeine I would see a benefit. Not sure I want to try it though.

pinno

Ben6899 said:

pinno said:

Haven't you heard of the Highlands of Exmoor?

Ben6899 said:

I'm immune to caffeine, but t'other half can't touch it after about 11am, so we always have some in the house.

I thought I was immune to caffeine.
Then I cut it right down to 1 coffee per day and always before mid-day. Now I sleep an awful lot better.
Occasionally, if on a long bike ride, i'll sink an espresso. When you cut down on the caffeine, the effect when you do have it is far more pronounced.
I've noticed caffeine in a lot of energy drinks. These one's I avoid.
Just bought some Torq stuff. Will see how I get on.

Tell me more about the Highlands of Exmoor!

Maybe if I cut down on caffeine I would see a benefit. Not sure I want to try it though.

Try it. Coffee/caffeine can be a prop or
You can savour the one a day that you do have..