Seemingly trivial things that annoy you
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If it was a private company, we'd just slate the company.surrey_commuter said:
in simple terms the RMT represents the workers whereas your gripe is with the Bosses.rick_chasey said:
Because the service is f*cking appalling, doubly so given the price, and no-one ever takes f*cking responsibility for it.rjsterry said:
The RMT don't charge you anything. They represent drivers and other rail staff, who are employed by the rail operators. The terms of the operators' franchises are set by government. Infrastructure is owned and maintained by a separate organisation. It is not that complicated so not sure why you are refusing to understand.rick_chasey said:So who the f@ck are the RMT?
Whoever is striking across the national rail system - whatever they're doing when they are working is plainly not good enough.
They charge a f*cking fortune for a terrible service. Shortage of drivers, appalling infrastructure that cannot handle the load, shortage of carriages, over-busy trains in poor condition - broken AC, broken doors, smelly, dirty, the lot.
Even the newer trains don't always work and they've created them to be as uncomfortable as possible to ram you in.
It's always the same. It's just everyone pointing at everyone else going "not my fault".
Every part of the rail experience needs improvement. From availability of drivers, to the maintenance of the carriages, to the actual track, the whole f*cking lot.
They're all sh!t and they charge a fortune for it.
I'm the customer, right? In a critical service over which they have a monopoly.
When my car breaks down because of a faulty part, that's VW's fault. They don't turn around and say "actually, it was a parts supplier who we have problems with, go moan to them" and then they in turn say "well, our material supplier has had quality problems, go complain to them".
Same sh!t. They're all sh!t at their job at some point, else the whole rail service wouldn't be so utterly sh!t, right?
I don't give a f*ck how it's structured. It needs to be sorted and someone needs to take responsibility for the outcome, which is sh!t.
I don't know why we need to differentiate. They're all part of the problem.
Striking doesn't improve the service, right?0 -
Anyway, train whining aside, the dearth of quality in modern pop music is embodied by the fact Kate Bush is back at #1 with a song that was released in 1985.0
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I blame Ed Sheeran.0
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I blame the root cause of SA&W.First.Aspect said:I blame Ed Sheeran.
The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.1 -
Trains are expensive. The government, so other people, pay for you to travel on trains. Have you taken any responsibility for this?rick_chasey said:
Because the service is f*cking appalling, doubly so given the price, and no-one ever takes f*cking responsibility for it.rjsterry said:
The RMT don't charge you anything. They represent drivers and other rail staff, who are employed by the rail operators. The terms of the operators' franchises are set by government. Infrastructure is owned and maintained by a separate organisation. It is not that complicated so not sure why you are refusing to understand.rick_chasey said:So who the f@ck are the RMT?
Whoever is striking across the national rail system - whatever they're doing when they are working is plainly not good enough.
They charge a f*cking fortune for a terrible service. Shortage of drivers, appalling infrastructure that cannot handle the load, shortage of carriages, over-busy trains in poor condition - broken AC, broken doors, smelly, dirty, the lot.
Even the newer trains don't always work and they've created them to be as uncomfortable as possible to ram you in.
It's always the same. It's just everyone pointing at everyone else going "not my fault".
Every part of the rail experience needs improvement. From availability of drivers, to the maintenance of the carriages, to the actual track, the whole f*cking lot.
They're all sh!t and they charge a fortune for it.
I'm the customer, right? In a critical service over which they have a monopoly.
When my car breaks down because of a faulty part, that's VW's fault. They don't turn around and say "actually, it was a parts supplier who we have problems with, go moan to them" and then they in turn say "well, our material supplier has had quality problems, go complain to them".
Same sh!t. They're all sh!t at their job at some point, else the whole rail service wouldn't be so utterly sh!t, right?
I don't give a f*ck how it's structured. It needs to be sorted and someone needs to take responsibility for the outcome, which is sh!t.0 -
Does my £5k a year count for nish?TheBigBean said:
Trains are expensive. The government, so other people, pay for you to travel on trains. Have you taken any responsibility for this?rick_chasey said:
Because the service is f*cking appalling, doubly so given the price, and no-one ever takes f*cking responsibility for it.rjsterry said:
The RMT don't charge you anything. They represent drivers and other rail staff, who are employed by the rail operators. The terms of the operators' franchises are set by government. Infrastructure is owned and maintained by a separate organisation. It is not that complicated so not sure why you are refusing to understand.rick_chasey said:So who the f@ck are the RMT?
Whoever is striking across the national rail system - whatever they're doing when they are working is plainly not good enough.
They charge a f*cking fortune for a terrible service. Shortage of drivers, appalling infrastructure that cannot handle the load, shortage of carriages, over-busy trains in poor condition - broken AC, broken doors, smelly, dirty, the lot.
Even the newer trains don't always work and they've created them to be as uncomfortable as possible to ram you in.
It's always the same. It's just everyone pointing at everyone else going "not my fault".
Every part of the rail experience needs improvement. From availability of drivers, to the maintenance of the carriages, to the actual track, the whole f*cking lot.
They're all sh!t and they charge a fortune for it.
I'm the customer, right? In a critical service over which they have a monopoly.
When my car breaks down because of a faulty part, that's VW's fault. They don't turn around and say "actually, it was a parts supplier who we have problems with, go moan to them" and then they in turn say "well, our material supplier has had quality problems, go complain to them".
Same sh!t. They're all sh!t at their job at some point, else the whole rail service wouldn't be so utterly sh!t, right?
I don't give a f*ck how it's structured. It needs to be sorted and someone needs to take responsibility for the outcome, which is sh!t.
That's easily £15k - they also heavily discounted the refund for when my season ticket overlapped with national lockdowns, so they also got pretty good value out of that season ticket too.0 -
It doesn't change the fact that other people are paying for a choice you made.rick_chasey said:
Does my £5k a year count for nish?TheBigBean said:
Trains are expensive. The government, so other people, pay for you to travel on trains. Have you taken any responsibility for this?rick_chasey said:
Because the service is f*cking appalling, doubly so given the price, and no-one ever takes f*cking responsibility for it.rjsterry said:
The RMT don't charge you anything. They represent drivers and other rail staff, who are employed by the rail operators. The terms of the operators' franchises are set by government. Infrastructure is owned and maintained by a separate organisation. It is not that complicated so not sure why you are refusing to understand.rick_chasey said:So who the f@ck are the RMT?
Whoever is striking across the national rail system - whatever they're doing when they are working is plainly not good enough.
They charge a f*cking fortune for a terrible service. Shortage of drivers, appalling infrastructure that cannot handle the load, shortage of carriages, over-busy trains in poor condition - broken AC, broken doors, smelly, dirty, the lot.
Even the newer trains don't always work and they've created them to be as uncomfortable as possible to ram you in.
It's always the same. It's just everyone pointing at everyone else going "not my fault".
Every part of the rail experience needs improvement. From availability of drivers, to the maintenance of the carriages, to the actual track, the whole f*cking lot.
They're all sh!t and they charge a fortune for it.
I'm the customer, right? In a critical service over which they have a monopoly.
When my car breaks down because of a faulty part, that's VW's fault. They don't turn around and say "actually, it was a parts supplier who we have problems with, go moan to them" and then they in turn say "well, our material supplier has had quality problems, go complain to them".
Same sh!t. They're all sh!t at their job at some point, else the whole rail service wouldn't be so utterly sh!t, right?
I don't give a f*ck how it's structured. It needs to be sorted and someone needs to take responsibility for the outcome, which is sh!t.0 -
Sorry, how f*cked up is it that even £5k a year doesn't cover the cost for my travel?TheBigBean said:
It doesn't change the fact that other people are paying for a choice you made.rick_chasey said:
Does my £5k a year count for nish?TheBigBean said:
Trains are expensive. The government, so other people, pay for you to travel on trains. Have you taken any responsibility for this?rick_chasey said:
Because the service is f*cking appalling, doubly so given the price, and no-one ever takes f*cking responsibility for it.rjsterry said:
The RMT don't charge you anything. They represent drivers and other rail staff, who are employed by the rail operators. The terms of the operators' franchises are set by government. Infrastructure is owned and maintained by a separate organisation. It is not that complicated so not sure why you are refusing to understand.rick_chasey said:So who the f@ck are the RMT?
Whoever is striking across the national rail system - whatever they're doing when they are working is plainly not good enough.
They charge a f*cking fortune for a terrible service. Shortage of drivers, appalling infrastructure that cannot handle the load, shortage of carriages, over-busy trains in poor condition - broken AC, broken doors, smelly, dirty, the lot.
Even the newer trains don't always work and they've created them to be as uncomfortable as possible to ram you in.
It's always the same. It's just everyone pointing at everyone else going "not my fault".
Every part of the rail experience needs improvement. From availability of drivers, to the maintenance of the carriages, to the actual track, the whole f*cking lot.
They're all sh!t and they charge a fortune for it.
I'm the customer, right? In a critical service over which they have a monopoly.
When my car breaks down because of a faulty part, that's VW's fault. They don't turn around and say "actually, it was a parts supplier who we have problems with, go moan to them" and then they in turn say "well, our material supplier has had quality problems, go complain to them".
Same sh!t. They're all sh!t at their job at some point, else the whole rail service wouldn't be so utterly sh!t, right?
I don't give a f*ck how it's structured. It needs to be sorted and someone needs to take responsibility for the outcome, which is sh!t.
Even more reason to burn it down to the ground and start again. I still don't know why they didn't take covid as an opportunity to do so.0 -
I think BB is trying to gently explain that even in the UK rail travel is subsidised.rick_chasey said:
Does my £5k a year count for nish?TheBigBean said:
Trains are expensive. The government, so other people, pay for you to travel on trains. Have you taken any responsibility for this?rick_chasey said:
Because the service is f*cking appalling, doubly so given the price, and no-one ever takes f*cking responsibility for it.rjsterry said:
The RMT don't charge you anything. They represent drivers and other rail staff, who are employed by the rail operators. The terms of the operators' franchises are set by government. Infrastructure is owned and maintained by a separate organisation. It is not that complicated so not sure why you are refusing to understand.rick_chasey said:So who the f@ck are the RMT?
Whoever is striking across the national rail system - whatever they're doing when they are working is plainly not good enough.
They charge a f*cking fortune for a terrible service. Shortage of drivers, appalling infrastructure that cannot handle the load, shortage of carriages, over-busy trains in poor condition - broken AC, broken doors, smelly, dirty, the lot.
Even the newer trains don't always work and they've created them to be as uncomfortable as possible to ram you in.
It's always the same. It's just everyone pointing at everyone else going "not my fault".
Every part of the rail experience needs improvement. From availability of drivers, to the maintenance of the carriages, to the actual track, the whole f*cking lot.
They're all sh!t and they charge a fortune for it.
I'm the customer, right? In a critical service over which they have a monopoly.
When my car breaks down because of a faulty part, that's VW's fault. They don't turn around and say "actually, it was a parts supplier who we have problems with, go moan to them" and then they in turn say "well, our material supplier has had quality problems, go complain to them".
Same sh!t. They're all sh!t at their job at some point, else the whole rail service wouldn't be so utterly sh!t, right?
I don't give a f*ck how it's structured. It needs to be sorted and someone needs to take responsibility for the outcome, which is sh!t.
That's easily £15k - they also heavily discounted the refund for when my season ticket overlapped with national lockdowns, so they also got pretty good value out of that season ticket too.
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I mean, all travel is in some way subsidised - roads are not private, blah blah.First.Aspect said:
I think BB is trying to gently explain that even in the UK rail travel is subsidised.rick_chasey said:
Does my £5k a year count for nish?TheBigBean said:
Trains are expensive. The government, so other people, pay for you to travel on trains. Have you taken any responsibility for this?rick_chasey said:
Because the service is f*cking appalling, doubly so given the price, and no-one ever takes f*cking responsibility for it.rjsterry said:
The RMT don't charge you anything. They represent drivers and other rail staff, who are employed by the rail operators. The terms of the operators' franchises are set by government. Infrastructure is owned and maintained by a separate organisation. It is not that complicated so not sure why you are refusing to understand.rick_chasey said:So who the f@ck are the RMT?
Whoever is striking across the national rail system - whatever they're doing when they are working is plainly not good enough.
They charge a f*cking fortune for a terrible service. Shortage of drivers, appalling infrastructure that cannot handle the load, shortage of carriages, over-busy trains in poor condition - broken AC, broken doors, smelly, dirty, the lot.
Even the newer trains don't always work and they've created them to be as uncomfortable as possible to ram you in.
It's always the same. It's just everyone pointing at everyone else going "not my fault".
Every part of the rail experience needs improvement. From availability of drivers, to the maintenance of the carriages, to the actual track, the whole f*cking lot.
They're all sh!t and they charge a fortune for it.
I'm the customer, right? In a critical service over which they have a monopoly.
When my car breaks down because of a faulty part, that's VW's fault. They don't turn around and say "actually, it was a parts supplier who we have problems with, go moan to them" and then they in turn say "well, our material supplier has had quality problems, go complain to them".
Same sh!t. They're all sh!t at their job at some point, else the whole rail service wouldn't be so utterly sh!t, right?
I don't give a f*ck how it's structured. It needs to be sorted and someone needs to take responsibility for the outcome, which is sh!t.
That's easily £15k - they also heavily discounted the refund for when my season ticket overlapped with national lockdowns, so they also got pretty good value out of that season ticket too.0 -
Indeed.rick_chasey said:
I mean, all travel is in some way subsidised - roads are not private, blah blah.First.Aspect said:
I think BB is trying to gently explain that even in the UK rail travel is subsidised.rick_chasey said:
Does my £5k a year count for nish?TheBigBean said:
Trains are expensive. The government, so other people, pay for you to travel on trains. Have you taken any responsibility for this?rick_chasey said:
Because the service is f*cking appalling, doubly so given the price, and no-one ever takes f*cking responsibility for it.rjsterry said:
The RMT don't charge you anything. They represent drivers and other rail staff, who are employed by the rail operators. The terms of the operators' franchises are set by government. Infrastructure is owned and maintained by a separate organisation. It is not that complicated so not sure why you are refusing to understand.rick_chasey said:So who the f@ck are the RMT?
Whoever is striking across the national rail system - whatever they're doing when they are working is plainly not good enough.
They charge a f*cking fortune for a terrible service. Shortage of drivers, appalling infrastructure that cannot handle the load, shortage of carriages, over-busy trains in poor condition - broken AC, broken doors, smelly, dirty, the lot.
Even the newer trains don't always work and they've created them to be as uncomfortable as possible to ram you in.
It's always the same. It's just everyone pointing at everyone else going "not my fault".
Every part of the rail experience needs improvement. From availability of drivers, to the maintenance of the carriages, to the actual track, the whole f*cking lot.
They're all sh!t and they charge a fortune for it.
I'm the customer, right? In a critical service over which they have a monopoly.
When my car breaks down because of a faulty part, that's VW's fault. They don't turn around and say "actually, it was a parts supplier who we have problems with, go moan to them" and then they in turn say "well, our material supplier has had quality problems, go complain to them".
Same sh!t. They're all sh!t at their job at some point, else the whole rail service wouldn't be so utterly sh!t, right?
I don't give a f*ck how it's structured. It needs to be sorted and someone needs to take responsibility for the outcome, which is sh!t.
That's easily £15k - they also heavily discounted the refund for when my season ticket overlapped with national lockdowns, so they also got pretty good value out of that season ticket too.0 -
It's nothing like buying a car. It's not a consumer product. But I don't think you want to understand.rick_chasey said:
Because the service is f*cking appalling, doubly so given the price, and no-one ever takes f*cking responsibility for it.rjsterry said:
The RMT don't charge you anything. They represent drivers and other rail staff, who are employed by the rail operators. The terms of the operators' franchises are set by government. Infrastructure is owned and maintained by a separate organisation. It is not that complicated so not sure why you are refusing to understand.rick_chasey said:So who the f@ck are the RMT?
Whoever is striking across the national rail system - whatever they're doing when they are working is plainly not good enough.
They charge a f*cking fortune for a terrible service. Shortage of drivers, appalling infrastructure that cannot handle the load, shortage of carriages, over-busy trains in poor condition - broken AC, broken doors, smelly, dirty, the lot.
Even the newer trains don't always work and they've created them to be as uncomfortable as possible to ram you in.
It's always the same. It's just everyone pointing at everyone else going "not my fault".
Every part of the rail experience needs improvement. From availability of drivers, to the maintenance of the carriages, to the actual track, the whole f*cking lot.
They're all sh!t and they charge a fortune for it.
I'm the customer, right? In a critical service over which they have a monopoly.
When my car breaks down because of a faulty part, that's VW's fault. They don't turn around and say "actually, it was a parts supplier who we have problems with, go moan to them" and then they in turn say "well, our material supplier has had quality problems, go complain to them".
Same sh!t. They're all sh!t at their job at some point, else the whole rail service wouldn't be so utterly sh!t, right?1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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Apparently the median salary for railworkers is around £44,000 and that is across all workers including cleaners etc. (although that came from Grant Shapps so I suspect there is some manipulation / spin involved). The 'modernisation' that the RMT are fighting against includes such radical measures as moving to electronic timesheets instead of paper and insisting the same number of ticket offices are kept open when the vast majority of tickets sold these days are not purchased at a ticket office. Apparently the job losses is a red herring too as this is being dealt with by (over-subscribed) voluntary redundancies.
I don't think it is realistic to expect pay rises to match or even get close to current rates of inflation but then I've worked in the private sector for 26 years now so I'm used to pay rises reflecting the market rather than inflation with companies limited by what they can afford.0 -
Anyway, back to trivial annoyances - trying to eat a Toblerone that has just come out of the fridge without doing any damage to your teeth or mouth.1
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Cycling on a road is subsidised. Not sure driving a car is. Don't think flying is subsidised either.rick_chasey said:
I mean, all travel is in some way subsidised - roads are not private, blah blah.First.Aspect said:
I think BB is trying to gently explain that even in the UK rail travel is subsidised.rick_chasey said:
Does my £5k a year count for nish?TheBigBean said:
Trains are expensive. The government, so other people, pay for you to travel on trains. Have you taken any responsibility for this?rick_chasey said:
Because the service is f*cking appalling, doubly so given the price, and no-one ever takes f*cking responsibility for it.rjsterry said:
The RMT don't charge you anything. They represent drivers and other rail staff, who are employed by the rail operators. The terms of the operators' franchises are set by government. Infrastructure is owned and maintained by a separate organisation. It is not that complicated so not sure why you are refusing to understand.rick_chasey said:So who the f@ck are the RMT?
Whoever is striking across the national rail system - whatever they're doing when they are working is plainly not good enough.
They charge a f*cking fortune for a terrible service. Shortage of drivers, appalling infrastructure that cannot handle the load, shortage of carriages, over-busy trains in poor condition - broken AC, broken doors, smelly, dirty, the lot.
Even the newer trains don't always work and they've created them to be as uncomfortable as possible to ram you in.
It's always the same. It's just everyone pointing at everyone else going "not my fault".
Every part of the rail experience needs improvement. From availability of drivers, to the maintenance of the carriages, to the actual track, the whole f*cking lot.
They're all sh!t and they charge a fortune for it.
I'm the customer, right? In a critical service over which they have a monopoly.
When my car breaks down because of a faulty part, that's VW's fault. They don't turn around and say "actually, it was a parts supplier who we have problems with, go moan to them" and then they in turn say "well, our material supplier has had quality problems, go complain to them".
Same sh!t. They're all sh!t at their job at some point, else the whole rail service wouldn't be so utterly sh!t, right?
I don't give a f*ck how it's structured. It needs to be sorted and someone needs to take responsibility for the outcome, which is sh!t.
That's easily £15k - they also heavily discounted the refund for when my season ticket overlapped with national lockdowns, so they also got pretty good value out of that season ticket too.0 -
RMT members won't be deciding how many trains run from Cambridge and how many cariages they should have.rick_chasey said:
If it was a private company, we'd just slate the company.surrey_commuter said:
in simple terms the RMT represents the workers whereas your gripe is with the Bosses.rick_chasey said:
Because the service is f*cking appalling, doubly so given the price, and no-one ever takes f*cking responsibility for it.rjsterry said:
The RMT don't charge you anything. They represent drivers and other rail staff, who are employed by the rail operators. The terms of the operators' franchises are set by government. Infrastructure is owned and maintained by a separate organisation. It is not that complicated so not sure why you are refusing to understand.rick_chasey said:So who the f@ck are the RMT?
Whoever is striking across the national rail system - whatever they're doing when they are working is plainly not good enough.
They charge a f*cking fortune for a terrible service. Shortage of drivers, appalling infrastructure that cannot handle the load, shortage of carriages, over-busy trains in poor condition - broken AC, broken doors, smelly, dirty, the lot.
Even the newer trains don't always work and they've created them to be as uncomfortable as possible to ram you in.
It's always the same. It's just everyone pointing at everyone else going "not my fault".
Every part of the rail experience needs improvement. From availability of drivers, to the maintenance of the carriages, to the actual track, the whole f*cking lot.
They're all sh!t and they charge a fortune for it.
I'm the customer, right? In a critical service over which they have a monopoly.
When my car breaks down because of a faulty part, that's VW's fault. They don't turn around and say "actually, it was a parts supplier who we have problems with, go moan to them" and then they in turn say "well, our material supplier has had quality problems, go complain to them".
Same sh!t. They're all sh!t at their job at some point, else the whole rail service wouldn't be so utterly sh!t, right?
I don't give a f*ck how it's structured. It needs to be sorted and someone needs to take responsibility for the outcome, which is sh!t.
I don't know why we need to differentiate. They're all part of the problem.
Striking doesn't improve the service, right?
If you complain to the guard and he punches you in the face then blame the RMT0 -
That sounds not unreasonable given that you have chosen to live in a different city than where you work. Monthly travelcard zones 1-6 is 270, or £3,240 for the year.rick_chasey said:
Sorry, how f*cked up is it that even £5k a year doesn't cover the cost for my travel?TheBigBean said:
It doesn't change the fact that other people are paying for a choice you made.rick_chasey said:
Does my £5k a year count for nish?TheBigBean said:
Trains are expensive. The government, so other people, pay for you to travel on trains. Have you taken any responsibility for this?rick_chasey said:
Because the service is f*cking appalling, doubly so given the price, and no-one ever takes f*cking responsibility for it.rjsterry said:
The RMT don't charge you anything. They represent drivers and other rail staff, who are employed by the rail operators. The terms of the operators' franchises are set by government. Infrastructure is owned and maintained by a separate organisation. It is not that complicated so not sure why you are refusing to understand.rick_chasey said:So who the f@ck are the RMT?
Whoever is striking across the national rail system - whatever they're doing when they are working is plainly not good enough.
They charge a f*cking fortune for a terrible service. Shortage of drivers, appalling infrastructure that cannot handle the load, shortage of carriages, over-busy trains in poor condition - broken AC, broken doors, smelly, dirty, the lot.
Even the newer trains don't always work and they've created them to be as uncomfortable as possible to ram you in.
It's always the same. It's just everyone pointing at everyone else going "not my fault".
Every part of the rail experience needs improvement. From availability of drivers, to the maintenance of the carriages, to the actual track, the whole f*cking lot.
They're all sh!t and they charge a fortune for it.
I'm the customer, right? In a critical service over which they have a monopoly.
When my car breaks down because of a faulty part, that's VW's fault. They don't turn around and say "actually, it was a parts supplier who we have problems with, go moan to them" and then they in turn say "well, our material supplier has had quality problems, go complain to them".
Same sh!t. They're all sh!t at their job at some point, else the whole rail service wouldn't be so utterly sh!t, right?
I don't give a f*ck how it's structured. It needs to be sorted and someone needs to take responsibility for the outcome, which is sh!t.
Even more reason to burn it down to the ground and start again. I still don't know why they didn't take covid as an opportunity to do so.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
Part of the anti-growth coalition1 -
My limited understanding is that that £44k median figure Shapps spouted is a lie, because he has thrown in the driver salaries into the mix to get that figure.Pross said:Apparently the median salary for railworkers is around £44,000 and that is across all workers including cleaners etc. (although that came from Grant Shapps so I suspect there is some manipulation / spin involved).
Most if not all drivers are not in the RMT union that are striking nationally this week, the drivers are mostly affiliated with ASLEF.
The privatisation of the UK rail network has always been and still is a complete mess. Dividends are paid to shareholders, while the government still pumps money into the network, including covid money to run a train schedule with social distancing. Sizeable amount of UK network owned by other countries, who use the UK rail profit to effectively subsidise their own country's networks.
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Easier to break off individual segments by squeezing them together, then pop in mouth to suck / chew as required. Definitely don't try ramming the entire refrigerated bar in your mouth and attempt to bite it. That way lies pain and dentistry.Pross said:Anyway, back to trivial annoyances - trying to eat a Toblerone that has just come out of the fridge without doing any damage to your teeth or mouth.
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Choice is pretty limited once you take cost of living into account.rjsterry said:
That sounds not unreasonable given that you have chosen to live in a different city than where you work. Monthly travelcard zones 1-6 is 270, or £3,240 for the year.rick_chasey said:
Sorry, how f*cked up is it that even £5k a year doesn't cover the cost for my travel?TheBigBean said:
It doesn't change the fact that other people are paying for a choice you made.rick_chasey said:
Does my £5k a year count for nish?TheBigBean said:
Trains are expensive. The government, so other people, pay for you to travel on trains. Have you taken any responsibility for this?rick_chasey said:
Because the service is f*cking appalling, doubly so given the price, and no-one ever takes f*cking responsibility for it.rjsterry said:
The RMT don't charge you anything. They represent drivers and other rail staff, who are employed by the rail operators. The terms of the operators' franchises are set by government. Infrastructure is owned and maintained by a separate organisation. It is not that complicated so not sure why you are refusing to understand.rick_chasey said:So who the f@ck are the RMT?
Whoever is striking across the national rail system - whatever they're doing when they are working is plainly not good enough.
They charge a f*cking fortune for a terrible service. Shortage of drivers, appalling infrastructure that cannot handle the load, shortage of carriages, over-busy trains in poor condition - broken AC, broken doors, smelly, dirty, the lot.
Even the newer trains don't always work and they've created them to be as uncomfortable as possible to ram you in.
It's always the same. It's just everyone pointing at everyone else going "not my fault".
Every part of the rail experience needs improvement. From availability of drivers, to the maintenance of the carriages, to the actual track, the whole f*cking lot.
They're all sh!t and they charge a fortune for it.
I'm the customer, right? In a critical service over which they have a monopoly.
When my car breaks down because of a faulty part, that's VW's fault. They don't turn around and say "actually, it was a parts supplier who we have problems with, go moan to them" and then they in turn say "well, our material supplier has had quality problems, go complain to them".
Same sh!t. They're all sh!t at their job at some point, else the whole rail service wouldn't be so utterly sh!t, right?
I don't give a f*ck how it's structured. It needs to be sorted and someone needs to take responsibility for the outcome, which is sh!t.
Even more reason to burn it down to the ground and start again. I still don't know why they didn't take covid as an opportunity to do so.
Everywhere was roughly 60-90mins away.
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Chocolate should not be kept in the fridge anyway.Pross said:Anyway, back to trivial annoyances - trying to eat a Toblerone that has just come out of the fridge without doing any damage to your teeth or mouth.
Or, is this one for the unpopular opinion thread?The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
The RMT still want the trains to be run like they were in 1930. If they had their way there'd be an engineer, brake man and fire man for each train.Pross said:Apparently the median salary for railworkers is around £44,000 and that is across all workers including cleaners etc. (although that came from Grant Shapps so I suspect there is some manipulation / spin involved). The 'modernisation' that the RMT are fighting against includes such radical measures as moving to electronic timesheets instead of paper and insisting the same number of ticket offices are kept open when the vast majority of tickets sold these days are not purchased at a ticket office. Apparently the job losses is a red herring too as this is being dealt with by (over-subscribed) voluntary redundancies.
I don't think it is realistic to expect pay rises to match or even get close to current rates of inflation but then I've worked in the private sector for 26 years now so I'm used to pay rises reflecting the market rather than inflation with companies limited by what they can afford.0 -
Where are you keeping it when it's 28 degrees out and about?pblakeney said:
Chocolate should not be kept in the fridge anyway.Pross said:Anyway, back to trivial annoyances - trying to eat a Toblerone that has just come out of the fridge without doing any damage to your teeth or mouth.
Or, is this one for the unpopular opinion thread?
Keep it in the fridge but don't eat it straight away is the right answer, but who's waiting once they have decided they want some?0 -
I don't necessarily expect to be able to get a seat if I am getting a train into London at rush hour, maybe I should but I rarely get the train anyway and I get to work at 7:30 so beat the crowds generally.
The companies could run more trains but that would cost more money so (assuming there isn't massive profit being made) would need to either charge more or get more funding from the government.rick_chasey said:
Choice is pretty limited once you take cost of living into account.rjsterry said:
That sounds not unreasonable given that you have chosen to live in a different city than where you work. Monthly travelcard zones 1-6 is 270, or £3,240 for the year.rick_chasey said:
Sorry, how f*cked up is it that even £5k a year doesn't cover the cost for my travel?TheBigBean said:
It doesn't change the fact that other people are paying for a choice you made.rick_chasey said:
Does my £5k a year count for nish?TheBigBean said:
Trains are expensive. The government, so other people, pay for you to travel on trains. Have you taken any responsibility for this?rick_chasey said:
Because the service is f*cking appalling, doubly so given the price, and no-one ever takes f*cking responsibility for it.rjsterry said:
The RMT don't charge you anything. They represent drivers and other rail staff, who are employed by the rail operators. The terms of the operators' franchises are set by government. Infrastructure is owned and maintained by a separate organisation. It is not that complicated so not sure why you are refusing to understand.rick_chasey said:So who the f@ck are the RMT?
Whoever is striking across the national rail system - whatever they're doing when they are working is plainly not good enough.
They charge a f*cking fortune for a terrible service. Shortage of drivers, appalling infrastructure that cannot handle the load, shortage of carriages, over-busy trains in poor condition - broken AC, broken doors, smelly, dirty, the lot.
Even the newer trains don't always work and they've created them to be as uncomfortable as possible to ram you in.
It's always the same. It's just everyone pointing at everyone else going "not my fault".
Every part of the rail experience needs improvement. From availability of drivers, to the maintenance of the carriages, to the actual track, the whole f*cking lot.
They're all sh!t and they charge a fortune for it.
I'm the customer, right? In a critical service over which they have a monopoly.
When my car breaks down because of a faulty part, that's VW's fault. They don't turn around and say "actually, it was a parts supplier who we have problems with, go moan to them" and then they in turn say "well, our material supplier has had quality problems, go complain to them".
Same sh!t. They're all sh!t at their job at some point, else the whole rail service wouldn't be so utterly sh!t, right?
I don't give a f*ck how it's structured. It needs to be sorted and someone needs to take responsibility for the outcome, which is sh!t.
Even more reason to burn it down to the ground and start again. I still don't know why they didn't take covid as an opportunity to do so.
Everywhere was roughly 60-90mins away.
Is it unreasonable for me to expect a train service to run as advertised and have adequate seating so all passengers can sit?0 -
On a commuter service I think it's unrealistic. For 65% of the day, the train will be almost empty so if there are no passengers standing at peak times, then the train isn't paying its way.rick_chasey said:
Choice is pretty limited once you take cost of living into account.rjsterry said:
That sounds not unreasonable given that you have chosen to live in a different city than where you work. Monthly travelcard zones 1-6 is 270, or £3,240 for the year.rick_chasey said:
Sorry, how f*cked up is it that even £5k a year doesn't cover the cost for my travel?TheBigBean said:
It doesn't change the fact that other people are paying for a choice you made.rick_chasey said:
Does my £5k a year count for nish?TheBigBean said:
Trains are expensive. The government, so other people, pay for you to travel on trains. Have you taken any responsibility for this?rick_chasey said:
Because the service is f*cking appalling, doubly so given the price, and no-one ever takes f*cking responsibility for it.rjsterry said:
The RMT don't charge you anything. They represent drivers and other rail staff, who are employed by the rail operators. The terms of the operators' franchises are set by government. Infrastructure is owned and maintained by a separate organisation. It is not that complicated so not sure why you are refusing to understand.rick_chasey said:So who the f@ck are the RMT?
Whoever is striking across the national rail system - whatever they're doing when they are working is plainly not good enough.
They charge a f*cking fortune for a terrible service. Shortage of drivers, appalling infrastructure that cannot handle the load, shortage of carriages, over-busy trains in poor condition - broken AC, broken doors, smelly, dirty, the lot.
Even the newer trains don't always work and they've created them to be as uncomfortable as possible to ram you in.
It's always the same. It's just everyone pointing at everyone else going "not my fault".
Every part of the rail experience needs improvement. From availability of drivers, to the maintenance of the carriages, to the actual track, the whole f*cking lot.
They're all sh!t and they charge a fortune for it.
I'm the customer, right? In a critical service over which they have a monopoly.
When my car breaks down because of a faulty part, that's VW's fault. They don't turn around and say "actually, it was a parts supplier who we have problems with, go moan to them" and then they in turn say "well, our material supplier has had quality problems, go complain to them".
Same sh!t. They're all sh!t at their job at some point, else the whole rail service wouldn't be so utterly sh!t, right?
I don't give a f*ck how it's structured. It needs to be sorted and someone needs to take responsibility for the outcome, which is sh!t.
Even more reason to burn it down to the ground and start again. I still don't know why they didn't take covid as an opportunity to do so.
Everywhere was roughly 60-90mins away.
Is it unreasonable for me to expect a train service to run as advertised and have adequate seating so all passengers can sit?1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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I don't generally and prefer it slightly softer but in the cuurent temperature thought it was sensible (especially as the house was very warm yesterday and it was only when the wife got home that we realised the heating was on despite the thermostat being set at 5 degrees!)pblakeney said:
Chocolate should not be kept in the fridge anyway.Pross said:Anyway, back to trivial annoyances - trying to eat a Toblerone that has just come out of the fridge without doing any damage to your teeth or mouth.
Or, is this one for the unpopular opinion thread?0 -
On a different tack, I had a Chinese takeaway two nights ago and coffee this morning.
I must have discharged about 3 pints of urine already today, and it is really harming productivity.0 -
Fair enough, we have very different ideas of what is reasonable then.
The reality is they make the commute longer as you need to turn up earlier than departure time in order to not stand for an hour - doubly so when the carriages are not designed to stand - nothing to hold onto etc.
And they should at the very very least be able to run the trains to the schedule advertised. I mean, we all forgive the odd exception, trespassers on the track etc, but it's two times a week every week.
It's not just on my line - when I used others I expect to be delayed and my expectations are usually met. I swear half the reason they run so many trains when no-one needs them is to juice up the "on time" stats.
I'd like to see a stat for passenger minutes lost by delays - I doubt it'd be flattering.0 -
Even here in the provinces earning a bumkin salary I would have to fork out £3k per year to my one office or £3.5k to the other plus travel costs to my nearest station. That goes up to around £7k if I drive based on current fuel and parking only (60 mile round trip and parking or 110 mile round trip with free parking).rjsterry said:
That sounds not unreasonable given that you have chosen to live in a different city than where you work. Monthly travelcard zones 1-6 is 270, or £3,240 for the year.rick_chasey said:
Sorry, how f*cked up is it that even £5k a year doesn't cover the cost for my travel?TheBigBean said:
It doesn't change the fact that other people are paying for a choice you made.rick_chasey said:
Does my £5k a year count for nish?TheBigBean said:
Trains are expensive. The government, so other people, pay for you to travel on trains. Have you taken any responsibility for this?rick_chasey said:
Because the service is f*cking appalling, doubly so given the price, and no-one ever takes f*cking responsibility for it.rjsterry said:
The RMT don't charge you anything. They represent drivers and other rail staff, who are employed by the rail operators. The terms of the operators' franchises are set by government. Infrastructure is owned and maintained by a separate organisation. It is not that complicated so not sure why you are refusing to understand.rick_chasey said:So who the f@ck are the RMT?
Whoever is striking across the national rail system - whatever they're doing when they are working is plainly not good enough.
They charge a f*cking fortune for a terrible service. Shortage of drivers, appalling infrastructure that cannot handle the load, shortage of carriages, over-busy trains in poor condition - broken AC, broken doors, smelly, dirty, the lot.
Even the newer trains don't always work and they've created them to be as uncomfortable as possible to ram you in.
It's always the same. It's just everyone pointing at everyone else going "not my fault".
Every part of the rail experience needs improvement. From availability of drivers, to the maintenance of the carriages, to the actual track, the whole f*cking lot.
They're all sh!t and they charge a fortune for it.
I'm the customer, right? In a critical service over which they have a monopoly.
When my car breaks down because of a faulty part, that's VW's fault. They don't turn around and say "actually, it was a parts supplier who we have problems with, go moan to them" and then they in turn say "well, our material supplier has had quality problems, go complain to them".
Same sh!t. They're all sh!t at their job at some point, else the whole rail service wouldn't be so utterly sh!t, right?
I don't give a f*ck how it's structured. It needs to be sorted and someone needs to take responsibility for the outcome, which is sh!t.
Even more reason to burn it down to the ground and start again. I still don't know why they didn't take covid as an opportunity to do so.0 -
I use trains almost every week day and many weekends recently. There is certainly variation between lines. Thameslink is pretty good but has had bad patches. Southern not too bad, but again has had bad patches. Southeastern are always more scruffy. GWR is pretty good with nice new trains. All a country mile better than the tube. You do seem to have a worse experience.rick_chasey said:Fair enough, we have very different ideas of what is reasonable then.
The reality is they make the commute longer as you need to turn up earlier than departure time in order to not stand for an hour - doubly so when the carriages are not designed to stand - nothing to hold onto etc.
And they should at the very very least be able to run the trains to the schedule advertised. I mean, we all forgive the odd exception, trespassers on the track etc, but it's two times a week every week.
It's not just on my line - when I used others I expect to be delayed and my expectations are usually met. I swear half the reason they run so many trains when no-one needs them is to juice up the "on time" stats.
I'd like to see a stat for passenger minutes lost by delays - I doubt it'd be flattering.
I think the RMT are just doing what they are good at. I have extremely limited sympathy on the particular issue, but it's certainly not the fault of station staff that trains are delayed or rolling stock is worn out.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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