Seemingly trivial things that annoy you

Pross

First.Aspect said:

Pross said:

First.Aspect said:

https://road.cc/content/feature/how-fit-side-pull-brakes-173127

Wft is a "side-pull brake"? I've been cycling for 30 years and I've never come across them.

Pretty much every road brake caliper since you've been cycling will have been side-pull. The cable connects to one side of the caliper as opposed to the middle of them.

Or am I having a whoosh moment here?

It comes out of the caliper upwards. And no one calls them side pull, other than a shitty internet journofoetus.

The old mtb brakes where you had to unhook a yoke to release and take the wheel out, those were side pull. Because, you guessed it, the cable came out the side.

The description now will be dual pivot as the technology as evolved. It gets used on pretty much every site selling rim brakes.

First.Aspect

Pross said:

First.Aspect said:

Pross said:

First.Aspect said:

https://road.cc/content/feature/how-fit-side-pull-brakes-173127

Wft is a "side-pull brake"? I've been cycling for 30 years and I've never come across them.

Pretty much every road brake caliper since you've been cycling will have been side-pull. The cable connects to one side of the caliper as opposed to the middle of them.

Or am I having a whoosh moment here?

It comes out of the caliper upwards. And no one calls them side pull, other than a shitty internet journofoetus.

The old mtb brakes where you had to unhook a yoke to release and take the wheel out, those were side pull. Because, you guessed it, the cable came out the side.

The description now will be dual pivot as the technology as evolved. It gets used on pretty much every site selling rim brakes.

Indeed. So now we've reached 1990.

lesfirth

First.Aspect said:

morstar said:

Side pull and centre pull are pretty common terms for anyone who’s been around a few years.
Predates mtb of any braking genre.

Jesus how old are you? I can remember the first muddy foxes turning up at school, but only just.

You are just a young kid. I am probably old enough to be you Dad!

First.Aspect

lesfirth said:

First.Aspect said:

morstar said:

Side pull and centre pull are pretty common terms for anyone who’s been around a few years.
Predates mtb of any braking genre.

Jesus how old are you? I can remember the first muddy foxes turning up at school, but only just.

You are just a young kid. I am probably old enough to be you Dad!

I'm not. First bike I had came with single pivot brakes and cork pads. Think my dad's at the time had the type where the whole unit pulled upwards against the rim.

These were known at the time as "brakes". Then when dual pivot came about, we had dual pivot. When single pivot became relatively rare, it was helpful to refer to these as single pivot. e.g. The rears on those silly Campag groups in the late 90's. At no stage did one ever refer to these as side pull brakes, because the cable position didn't change and also because they aren't. Side pull only ever was and is a reference to the side pull brakes - which are basically direct mount brakes - that came with mountain bikes. So the article is plain wrong and anyone who thinks of brakes as side pull when they aren't is just elderly and confused.

Mad_Malx

lesfirth said:

First.Aspect said:

https://road.cc/content/feature/how-fit-side-pull-brakes-173127

Wft is a "side-pull brake"? I've been cycling for 30 years and I've never come across them.

In my youth ,many decades ago before mountain bikes existed ,everyone with a decent bike had the new Mafac " centre pull" brakes. Weinman tried to copy them. To differentiate them from the then traditional single pivot the term "side pull" evolved to describe the rest.

See also Pinno’s avatar - very cool-looking (but useless) Delta brake

lesfirth

First.Aspect said:

lesfirth said:

First.Aspect said:

morstar said:

Side pull and centre pull are pretty common terms for anyone who’s been around a few years.
Predates mtb of any braking genre.

Jesus how old are you? I can remember the first muddy foxes turning up at school, but only just.

You are just a young kid. I am probably old enough to be you Dad!

I'm not. First bike I had came with single pivot brakes and cork pads. Think my dad's at the time had the type where the whole unit pulled upwards against the rim.

These were known at the time as "brakes". Then when dual pivot came about, we had dual pivot. When single pivot became relatively rare, it was helpful to refer to these as single pivot. e.g. The rears on those silly Campag groups in the late 90's. At no stage did one ever refer to these as side pull brakes, because the cable position didn't change and also because they aren't. Side pull only ever was and is a reference to the side pull brakes - which are basically direct mount brakes - that came with mountain bikes. So the article is plain wrong and anyone who thinks of brakes as side pull when they aren't is just elderly and confused.

I was referring in my first post to the nineteen sixties long before Campags Delta brakes, when any half decent road bike had Mafac or side pull brakes.
I do fit into the "elderly and sometimes confused" so time may be distorting my memories.

morstar

https://road.cc/content/feature/how-fit-side-pull-brakes-173127

morstar

Having lived under a rock doesn’t make you right.

rjsterry

No! The world should be how I see it.

From the mid 80s.

First.Aspect

morstar said:

https://road.cc/content/feature/how-fit-side-pull-brakes-173127

Face = palm

pblakeney

rick_chasey said:

Quite. So it's not a pension pot is it, nor do you need to pay into it.

It's a benefit. It is not a deferred savings scheme.

Back to this again out of sheer coincidence. The subject came up in FB and when I toed the general taxation line I was given this link. Any comments?

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1034608/National_Insurance_Fund_Investment_Account_Report___Accounts_2020-2021__print_.pdf

First.Aspect

rjsterry said:

No! The world should be how I see it.

From the mid 80s.

Brake pads don't match. Front wheel was steel. Rear was some new fangled alloy.

webboo

I remember my first proper bike a Carlton ProAm came with Weiman 500 side pull brakes. I used to sh*t myself every time I went down hill and got a bit of speed up. I bought some Shimano Dura ace side pull brakes which seemed unbelievably good in comparison.
I was interrogated in the bike shop before they would sell them to me.
Those were days when you had to pass an exam before you could buy stuff.

pangolin

pblakeney said:

rick_chasey said:

Quite. So it's not a pension pot is it, nor do you need to pay into it.

It's a benefit. It is not a deferred savings scheme.

Back to this again out of sheer coincidence. The subject came up in FB and when I toed the general taxation line I was given this link. Any comments?

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1034608/National_Insurance_Fund_Investment_Account_Report___Accounts_2020-2021__print_.pdf

If I'm reading that correctly, the fund holds around £42,000 million - or £3,500 per pensioner.

In the last year it returned about £3 per pensioner.

pblakeney

pangolin said:

pblakeney said:

rick_chasey said:

Quite. So it's not a pension pot is it, nor do you need to pay into it.

It's a benefit. It is not a deferred savings scheme.

Back to this again out of sheer coincidence. The subject came up in FB and when I toed the general taxation line I was given this link. Any comments?

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1034608/National_Insurance_Fund_Investment_Account_Report___Accounts_2020-2021__print_.pdf

If I'm reading that correctly, the fund holds around £42,000 million - or £3,500 per pensioner.

In the last year it returned about £3 per pensioner.

I wasn't sharing to discuss the amounts, but feel free.
Mostly that there is a dedicated fund. A pot if you wish.

pangolin

pblakeney said:

pangolin said:

pblakeney said:

rick_chasey said:

Quite. So it's not a pension pot is it, nor do you need to pay into it.

It's a benefit. It is not a deferred savings scheme.

Back to this again out of sheer coincidence. The subject came up in FB and when I toed the general taxation line I was given this link. Any comments?

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1034608/National_Insurance_Fund_Investment_Account_Report___Accounts_2020-2021__print_.pdf

If I'm reading that correctly, the fund holds around £42,000 million - or £3,500 per pensioner.

In the last year it returned about £3 per pensioner.

I wasn't sharing to discuss the amounts, but feel free.
Mostly that there is a dedicated fund. A pot if you wish.

I think the amounts make the case quite plainly that we are currently funding state pensions via today's NI contributions, not the contributions those pensioners made during their working lives.

pblakeney

The pot is insufficient but there is a pot. How much has been taken out from Gordon Brown to today? Also why is set against the Reduction of the National Debt?

It is all a mess and I've not got a fixed position. I could do with knowing what is going on between could, should and reality. I won't lose sleep though.

veronese68

rjsterry said:

No! The world should be how I see it.

From the mid 80s.

Ah, centre pull brakes. As opposed to side pull brakes. Not rod, dual pivot, direct mount, cantilever or V brakes.

pangolin

pblakeney said:

The pot is insufficient but there is a pot. How much has been taken out from Gordon Brown to today? Also why is set against the Reduction of the National Debt?

It is all a mess and I've not got a fixed position. I could do with knowing what is going on between could, should and reality. I won't lose sleep though.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Insurance_Fund

pblakeney

pangolin said:

pblakeney said:

The pot is insufficient but there is a pot. How much has been taken out from Gordon Brown to today? Also why is set against the Reduction of the National Debt?

It is all a mess and I've not got a fixed position. I could do with knowing what is going on between could, should and reality. I won't lose sleep though.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Insurance_Fund

That'll please Rick no end. 🤣

First.Aspect

pblakeney said:

pangolin said:

pblakeney said:

The pot is insufficient but there is a pot. How much has been taken out from Gordon Brown to today? Also why is set against the Reduction of the National Debt?

It is all a mess and I've not got a fixed position. I could do with knowing what is going on between could, should and reality. I won't lose sleep though.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Insurance_Fund

That'll please Rick no end. 🤣

The pension doesn't come out of it.

pblakeney

First.Aspect said:

pblakeney said:

pangolin said:

pblakeney said:

The pot is insufficient but there is a pot. How much has been taken out from Gordon Brown to today? Also why is set against the Reduction of the National Debt?

It is all a mess and I've not got a fixed position. I could do with knowing what is going on between could, should and reality. I won't lose sleep though.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Insurance_Fund

That'll please Rick no end. 🤣

The pension doesn't come out of it.

"The NIF are used to pay for social security benefits such as state retirement pensions,..."

So benefits, but yes they are. Everyone's a winner.

First.Aspect

pblakeney said:

pangolin said:

pblakeney said:

The pot is insufficient but there is a pot. How much has been taken out from Gordon Brown to today? Also why is set against the Reduction of the National Debt?

It is all a mess and I've not got a fixed position. I could do with knowing what is going on between could, should and reality. I won't lose sleep though.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Insurance_Fund

That'll please Rick no end. 🤣

As far as I could tell, any surplus, including interest from investments, offsets the national debt. So, the NICs paid now pay the pensions now.

FWIW that's consistent with the SNP's white paper from 2014.

pblakeney

First.Aspect said:

pblakeney said:

pangolin said:

pblakeney said:

The pot is insufficient but there is a pot. How much has been taken out from Gordon Brown to today? Also why is set against the Reduction of the National Debt?

It is all a mess and I've not got a fixed position. I could do with knowing what is going on between could, should and reality. I won't lose sleep though.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Insurance_Fund

That'll please Rick no end. 🤣

As far as I could tell, any surplus, including interest from investments, offsets the national debt. So, the NICs paid now pay the pensions now.

FWIW that's consistent with the SNP's white paper from 2014.

Hard to say there is a surplus, or interest from a pot that didn't exist. 😉
Government managing things badly is hardly new, or news. Time to sleep. Soundly.

First.Aspect

pblakeney said:

First.Aspect said:

pblakeney said:

pangolin said:

pblakeney said:

The pot is insufficient but there is a pot. How much has been taken out from Gordon Brown to today? Also why is set against the Reduction of the National Debt?

It is all a mess and I've not got a fixed position. I could do with knowing what is going on between could, should and reality. I won't lose sleep though.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Insurance_Fund

That'll please Rick no end. 🤣

As far as I could tell, any surplus, including interest from investments, offsets the national debt. So, the NICs paid now pay the pensions now.

FWIW that's consistent with the SNP's white paper from 2014.

Hard to say there is a surplus, or interest from a pot that didn't exist. 😉
Government managing things badly is hardly new, or news. Time to sleep. Soundly.

I don't know what to tell you. It isn't a pension pot. RC is correct.

rick_chasey

pblakeney said:

rick_chasey said:

Quite. So it's not a pension pot is it, nor do you need to pay into it.

It's a benefit. It is not a deferred savings scheme.

Back to this again out of sheer coincidence. The subject came up in FB and when I toed the general taxation line I was given this link. Any comments?

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1034608/National_Insurance_Fund_Investment_Account_Report___Accounts_2020-2021__print_.pdf

So on page four the explanation of the “purpose” is nothing to do with pensions?

And surely since unemployment benefit is also contingent on NIC payment presumably that is a type of pension too by this logic?

If it were surely the investments would be made on a liability basis?

But it doesn’t have any liabilities as it’s not a pension fund.

State pension is funded the same way unemployment benefit is.

I get there is a stigma about one and not the other hence people wanting to believe their pension isn’t a benefit but maybe the problem is the stigma?

rick_chasey

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/national-insurance-fund-accounts

From the govt website.

The National Insurance Scheme was established on 5 July 1948 to provide unemployment benefit, sickness benefit, retirement pensions and other benefits in cases where individuals meet the contribution and other qualifying conditions.

The National Insurance Fund Accounts present the receipts and payments for the financial year, as well as the balance on the Fund at the end of the year

So is dole money pension money then?

rick_chasey

masjer

Sadly, George Clarke has separated from his wife. I guess they just needed their own space.

Pross

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