Drugs in other sports and the media.
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I read somewhere that all the specifics leaked on Twitter like Kasia's cannabis positive were fake
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It seems there was a hack, but the legitimacy of the doping accusations released is highly questionable.
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Here’s quite a big name.
I hadn’t realised that CAS had given the young US wonderkind, Erriyon Knighton a free pass, after a positive test for Trenbolone, back in March.
They bought the old contaminated meat story and that bastion of fair play and integrity USADA, we’re happy to disclose their ruling.
Knighton finished 4th in the Olympic 200 metres final, behind Noah Lyles.
"Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0 -
Maybe nothing new but depressing all the same.....
“You may think that; I couldn’t possibly comment!”
Wilier Cento Uno SR/Wilier Mortirolo/Specialized Roubaix Comp/Kona Hei Hei/Calibre Bossnut1 -
Sinner cleared after testing positive twice for banned substance https://www.bbc.com/sport/tennis/articles/cq5d3nl1pd9o
what happened to strict liability?
Edit: just reread the article- contaminated by steroid on his physio’s hand. Must have been quite a lot …
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In what universe do Physiotherapists treat cuts on their hand with muscle building steroids other than the drug free tennis one.🤔🤔🤔
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It does help wound healing and is marketed as such in some countries. But wouldn’t you wear gloves if you had cuts on your hands?
Accidental transfer during sexual contact has also been used as an excuse - I forget who that was snd whether it was accepted . Maybe he was shagging the physio.
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Given we have had it is due to eating contaminated meat how long before it’s because of having sex with a steroid injected animal.🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
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Never heard of this before: "urgent application to lift provisional suspension" granted to allow him to resume playing a day after being notified of a positive test.
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He needs a rest from playing, now, as he's been worn down by the experience.
The International Tennis Integrity Agency, sounds a lot like the MPCC to me, rather than CAS.
Hardly independent, when they were "established to promote, encourage and safeguard the integrity of professional tennis worldwide." Sounds more like a, brush things under the carpet, agency to me. Hopefully, WADA will appeal. Nobody treats without gloves these days, especially when they have an open wound.
Some players have taken to social media to claim Sinner has been treated differently because he is the world number one.
And 18-time Grand Slam singles champion Chris Evert says she believes the authorities do protect top players.
"They're going to keep certain things secret if you're a top player because they don't want the press, the player doesn't want the press," Evert said on a conference call before ESPN’s US Open coverage.
"I do think there's some [more] protection there than if you were Joe Smith, ranked 400 in the world."
"Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0 -
I've said for a long time that tennis is a dirty sport, and hides positives, when they do actually bother to test.
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I think they like a few positives amongst the supporting cast. Helps create the illusion that they're taking things seriously.
Tbh, I think a free for all would be less bad than the selective approach that numerous agencies seem to take.
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Tennis? No sweat NoVax Jokervich?
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MMmm i dunno, whenver I think of unrestricted drugs I tend to think of all the dead dutch cyclists in the early 90s.
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To take a slightly controversial view, if "consenting adults" want to risk killing themselves for a higher step on the podium then should we stop them? No-one has to be a pro sportsman.
A free for all would eliminate the worst element of the current system - different sanctions for the same offence, depending on how much leeway the ADAs and governing bodies choose to give the athletes in question.
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So you are happy to consign sportsmen who don't want to risk killing themselves to the dustbin?
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Nah I disagree. It would end up rewarding who is happy taking the risk to fly so close to the sun you might die.
I think people forget how dangerous free-for-all doping is. As much as anything, rules around doping are really there to protect athletes from themselves.
There is a reason they arbitrarily put the heamocratic level at 50 - it was mainly a safety issue. They couldn't test for EPO, so they had to do something.
I'm pretty relaxed about doping compared to most people, but I'm not sure I'd necessarily enjoy the spectacle of "who can take the most and not die", approach. It would be very weird, and I certainly wouldn't think the end product justifies the risk these athletes are taking.
It's one thing taking spectacular risks descending or going fast - that's exhilarating and skill related. Taking vast quantities of HGH to be faster in a race but cutting 20 years off your life with an enlarged heart is just grotty.
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Most pro sportsmen have a short and inglorious career, before retiring to the acclaim of no-one, so it wouldn't really change very much!
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Was the Hct limit introduced for safety reasons? The risks of EPO abuse were known for years beforehand, yet nothing happened, so one could argue that the Hct limit was more about being seen to be "doing something" in response to adverse media coverage, once it became obvious that 75kg riders flying up hills at ungodly speeds wasn't just due to "new training methods" etc.
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Re "Taking vast quantities of HGH to be faster in a race but cutting 20 years off your life..." I specifically used the term "consenting adults". If riders think that's a risk worth taking then should we stop them? There's all sorts of aspects of life where society stands by rather than "saving someone from themselves" in the name of freedom of choice, so I'm not sure doping in sport warrants special treatment.
Obviously, this is a very different argument from fairness.
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Even with grown adults, able to make full decisions themselves, the idea of leaving elite sport success open to only those wishing to take extreme risks with their own lives is abhorrent to me.
Then, you have those that are not mature grown adults, early 20s and easily impressionable, being told to take these ‘medicines’ by modern day Johan Brunyeels. They would have very little scope or reason, to say no.
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All these sorts of discussions could of course be avoided by the ADAs and international federations doing their job properly re doping. i.e. no more free passes for "the dog ate my homework" etc.
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Hct limit came in for the 1997 season, with 1996 being the (in)glorious swansong of "Mr 60%". So which spate of deaths triggered this?
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I'm not sure anyone else is having this discussion apart from you
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I think 1997 was the point at which it was recognised as a problem in cycling.
between 1987 and 1992 there were something like 20 deaths of young riders in Benelux. From 92 onwards it became more medicalised, for that reason, but it only became apparent to the authorities that it was as rife as it was post indurain.
If you think doping is OK if they're "consenting" you really ought to read up on some of the stories of athletes who grew up in effectively free-for-all environments. Panani, Ulrich, Vandenbroeck, let alone the swathes of eastern european athletes. It really fucks them up.
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As Stage_Hunter says, these often aren't mature adults, they are young and impressionable people who are desperate to make a career out of a sport they love and are reasonably (very) good at.
If their DS or coach says take this recovery bottle, or lose your place on the team, they will invariably take the bottle.
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What discussion do you think I'm having?
And anyway, both you and Rick are "in" so that makes three of us.
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I think letting a sport become a doping free for all would spell the end of that sport in very short order. Most parents would stop their kids competing in it, as they wouldn't want them to run the very real risk of an early death, and very soon there wouldn't be a pool of capable riders to choose from.
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You can get those diabetic patches which monitors your blood glucose levels. These could be developed to monitor different properties in a person's blood. They could be unique to the phone which uploads the data.
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