Drugs in other sports and the media.
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Rick Chasey wrote:So they were taking stuff with Fuentes, but now there have been no positives they've all stopped?
IF there were players that did, like the cyclists at the time, they would have retired by now.0 -
Not just Fuentes but also Juventus in the earlier 90s, maybe late 80s too. if Zidane one of the best players of the game doped then clearly it does have benefits in football.
The only testing they do is mainly for recreational drugs, they dont really look for much else and therefore find very little.
FIFA \ UEFA ignored Fuentes, not sure on the details of Juve to know how that became uncovered. There was also Marseille too. Weren't the Bayern team of the 70s linked to amphetamines too ?0 -
Ukad, which carries out testing on behalf of the Football Association, took 1,204 samples from 1,989 players to appear in the EFL in 2015-16.
From 550 players to play in the Premier League, 799 samples were taken. There were no tests in the National League.
These figures do not account for players being tested more than once.
That means one player being tested five times would account for five samples, while some samples may have been taken from players who were registered with clubs but did not make a first-team appearance.
Wowzas. Not even 1 1/2 tests a year in the premier league (per player) and almost 40% of EFL players not tested.0 -
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Dinyull wrote:Ukad, which carries out testing on behalf of the Football Association, took 1,204 samples from 1,989 players to appear in the EFL in 2015-16.
From 550 players to play in the Premier League, 799 samples were taken. There were no tests in the National League.
These figures do not account for players being tested more than once.
That means one player being tested five times would account for five samples, while some samples may have been taken from players who were registered with clubs but did not make a first-team appearance.
Wowzas. Not even 1 1/2 tests a year in the premier league (per player) and almost 40% of EFL players not tested.
But don't forget uefa and fifa also do tests in season. Plus those figures were up significantly last season.
Ok, lets look at this another way, even if they don't test enough, tell me, where are the huge number of positive results from the tests conducted??0 -
It only works if the authorities are actually trying to catch them.
You could apply the same logic to athletics. No major busts or scandals (Russia aside), but then retrospective testing shows that london 2012 was much dirtier than most think. And still the IAAF do sweet f*ck all.
I can't hand on heart say there is a big problem in football, I haven't got a clue. But I'm not silly enough to think it offers no benefit or naive enough to think it doesn't happen.0 -
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These footballer injections - I presume they are done under a TUE, or are they legit as in competition or out of competition medication is allowed (of this type).2015 Canyon Nerve AL 6.0 (son #1's)
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We don't know. No-one seems to be asking. The same journalist who has spent a year digging into Wiggins's package brushed off Phil Jones's six injections has 'probably just an aesthetic'. Others have said 'football is a different culture'larkim wrote:These footballer injections - I presume they are done under a TUE, or are they legit as in competition or out of competition medication is allowed (of this type).Twitter: @RichN950 -
RichN95 wrote:
We don't know. No-one seems to be asking. The same journalist who has spent a year digging into Wiggins's package brushed off Phil Jones's six injections has 'probably just an aesthetic'. Others have said 'football is a different culture'larkim wrote:These footballer injections - I presume they are done under a TUE, or are they legit as in competition or out of competition medication is allowed (of this type).
They follow exactly the same process as other sports and have to apply for a TUE.
It looks like WADA will independently conduct all drug tests at next years world cup in Russia. Guess we will soon find out if there is this alleged doping in the game or not.0 -
RichN95 wrote:
We don't know. No-one seems to be asking. The same journalist who has spent a year digging into Wiggins's package brushed off Phil Jones's six injections has 'probably just an aesthetic'. Others have said 'football is a different culture'larkim wrote:These footballer injections - I presume they are done under a TUE, or are they legit as in competition or out of competition medication is allowed (of this type).
That's exactly the point, its move along nothing to see here for some reason (different perception/morality) but if it's cycling then we must all be juiced out our threepennys, performance enhancing. If a cycling coach/DS was to say what mourinho said...0 -
It may be the same process on paper, but is it in practice? Can, for example, a doctor write a medical note and basically just get it rubber stamped by the authorities (as once was the case in cycling)?redvision wrote:RichN95 wrote:
We don't know. No-one seems to be asking. The same journalist who has spent a year digging into Wiggins's package brushed off Phil Jones's six injections has 'probably just an aesthetic'. Others have said 'football is a different culture'larkim wrote:These footballer injections - I presume they are done under a TUE, or are they legit as in competition or out of competition medication is allowed (of this type).
They follow exactly the same process as other sports and have to apply for a TUE.Twitter: @RichN950 -
RichN95 wrote:It may be the same process on paper, but is it in practice? Can, for example, a doctor write a medical note and basically just get it rubber stamped by the authorities (as once was the case in cycling)?
According to Shane Sutton this is still going on at the top in cycling, so it could well be in many sports. But thats a WADA issue to sort.0 -
The statistics show that it's not going on in cycling though. The UCI have very few TUEs in the last two or three years.redvision wrote:RichN95 wrote:It may be the same process on paper, but is it in practice? Can, for example, a doctor write a medical note and basically just get it rubber stamped by the authorities (as once was the case in cycling)?
According to Shane Sutton this is still going on at the top in cycling, so it could well be in many sports. But thats a WADA issue to sort.Twitter: @RichN950 -
RichN95 wrote:
The statistics show that it's not going on in cycling though. The UCI have very few TUEs in the last two or three years.redvision wrote:RichN95 wrote:It may be the same process on paper, but is it in practice? Can, for example, a doctor write a medical note and basically just get it rubber stamped by the authorities (as once was the case in cycling)?
According to Shane Sutton this is still going on at the top in cycling, so it could well be in many sports. But thats a WADA issue to sort.
And that's what makes Shane Suttons comments interesting. He contradicts that. So either he is stirring or something is being covered up.
This said, i don't think cycling has a big issue these days, and i really don't think team sky break the rules. But like wise, i don't see any signs of a widespread doping issue in football.
When WADA become responsible for independent drug testing in the game one way or the other we will know though.0 -
redvision wrote:RichN95 wrote:
We don't know. No-one seems to be asking. The same journalist who has spent a year digging into Wiggins's package brushed off Phil Jones's six injections has 'probably just an aesthetic'. Others have said 'football is a different culture'larkim wrote:These footballer injections - I presume they are done under a TUE, or are they legit as in competition or out of competition medication is allowed (of this type).
They follow exactly the same process as other sports and have to apply for a TUE.
It looks like WADA will independently conduct all drug tests at next years world cup in Russia. Guess we will soon find out if there is this alleged doping in the game or not.
Read any of the back pages today?
/waitsuntilltheysayitsonlytherussians0 -
^ Gizza clue. Back pages eh, how quaint.0
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Can see them on this blog http://suttonnick.tumblr.com
Only one with anything related looks to be daily mail
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ducknumber1 wrote:Can see them on this blog http://suttonnick.tumblr.com
Only one with anything related looks to be daily mail
Russia are the exception to the rule though as it appears doping is rife throughout all their sport teams - at least according to the press.
BUT that does not mean other nations are following the same practice. And certainly does not mean football has a massive doping issue.
Let's wait and see what doping results WADA find at the world cup.0 -
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Don't worry it's just Russian, none of the other nations would even think of doing anything like this. Neither would the clubs. Glad that's all been cleared up
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Well I for one am shocked SHOCKED that there has been doping in this 'ere round ball establishment0
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It's only a bit of sport, Mun. Relax and enjoy the racing.0 -
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good pic, the film is 75 years old today and I plan to watch it later. I only just found out he was in fact English in real life0 -
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More riders should be like Contador, huh?
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Oh I dunno. Frenchie retired at 30,000 posts and right to the end some of his were still pretty bizarre.RichN95 wrote:Russian sport and Mo Farah is a bizarre lead subject for someone's first post on a cycling forum. Is the Asylum broken today? Open One+ BMC TE29 Seven 622SL On One Scandal Cervelo RS0
