Drugs in other sports and the media.

Pross

Watching Johnson's piece on Jesse Owens, probably the athlete I admire most in history, I couldn't help wondering what the usual suspects would have made of him had he come on the scene today. It just goes to show here have always been athletic freaks who have huge levels of natural talent and it's such a shame that any that we get today immediately face suspicion.

joelsim

Pross wrote:

Watching Johnson's piece on Jesse Owens, probably the athlete I admire most in history, I couldn't help wondering what the usual suspects would have made of him had he come on the scene today. It just goes to show here have always been athletic freaks who have huge levels of natural talent and it's such a shame that any that we get today immediately face suspicion.

I don't agree that any we get immediately face suspicion. Suspicion is earned on the whole, not always, but more often than not.

Pross

It depends on the audience. For some winning is enough cause and dominance is conclusive proof. When you add in coming from nowhere they'd have you hung draw and quartered.

joelsim

Pross wrote:

It depends on the audience. For some winning is enough cause and dominance is conclusive proof. When you add in coming from nowhere they'd have you hung draw and quartered.

Well, Ennis doesn't get any flack, nor the Brownlees or many others. Mo does.

above_the_cows

Joelsim wrote:

Pross wrote:

It depends on the audience. For some winning is enough cause and dominance is conclusive proof. When you add in coming from nowhere they'd have you hung draw and quartered.

Well, Ennis doesn't get any flack, nor the Brownlees or many others. Mo does.

Jessica Ennis-Hill just gets body shamed by the scummy tabloids instead.

salsiccia1

Above The Cows wrote:

Joelsim wrote:

Pross wrote:

It depends on the audience. For some winning is enough cause and dominance is conclusive proof. When you add in coming from nowhere they'd have you hung draw and quartered.

Well, Ennis doesn't get any flack, nor the Brownlees or many others. Mo does.

Jessica Ennis-Hill just gets body shamed by the scummy tabloids instead.

Who the fark is body shaming Jess Ennis-Hill? Are people insane?

above_the_cows

Salsiccia1 wrote:

Above The Cows wrote:

Joelsim wrote:

Pross wrote:

It depends on the audience. For some winning is enough cause and dominance is conclusive proof. When you add in coming from nowhere they'd have you hung draw and quartered.

Well, Ennis doesn't get any flack, nor the Brownlees or many others. Mo does.

Jessica Ennis-Hill just gets body shamed by the scummy tabloids instead.

Who the fark is body shaming Jess Ennis-Hill? Are people insane?

It was a few years ago and they were commenting on her muscly/big things and 'manly' arms. I kid you not.

dinyull

Newspapers and stupid womens gossip mags have a lot to answer for.

Few years back my missus said she didn't want to do her spinning class anymore. Asked why she said she didn't want muscly legs. I had to point out that my legs weren't particularly muscly despite all the hours I put in on the bike.


Funny how it all comes round though and fit/muscle seems to be the in thing for women now.

salsiccia1

Above The Cows wrote:

Salsiccia1 wrote:

Above The Cows wrote:

Joelsim wrote:

Pross wrote:

It depends on the audience. For some winning is enough cause and dominance is conclusive proof. When you add in coming from nowhere they'd have you hung draw and quartered.

Well, Ennis doesn't get any flack, nor the Brownlees or many others. Mo does.

Jessica Ennis-Hill just gets body shamed by the scummy tabloids instead.

Who the fark is body shaming Jess Ennis-Hill? Are people insane?

It was a few years ago and they were commenting on her muscly/big things and 'manly' arms. I kid you not.

4FS

timoid.

Above The Cows wrote:

Salsiccia1 wrote:

Above The Cows wrote:

Joelsim wrote:

Pross wrote:

It depends on the audience. For some winning is enough cause and dominance is conclusive proof. When you add in coming from nowhere they'd have you hung draw and quartered.

Well, Ennis doesn't get any flack, nor the Brownlees or many others. Mo does.

Jessica Ennis-Hill just gets body shamed by the scummy tabloids instead.

Who the fark is body shaming Jess Ennis-Hill? Are people insane?

It was a few years ago and they were commenting on her muscly/big things and 'manly' arms. I kid you not.

You are sheeting me! If JEH looks wrong, what the heck looks right?

Pross

Wasn't it something about her looking fat in the run up to 2012 (by someone at UK Athletics)?

above_the_cows

Pross wrote:

Wasn't it something about her looking fat in the run up to 2012 (by someone at UK Athletics)?

There was also some nasty side bar of shame action going on too.

Richmond Racer 2

Above The Cows wrote:

Pross wrote:

Wasn't it something about her looking fat in the run up to 2012 (by someone at UK Athletics)?

There was also some nasty side bar of shame action going on too.

UKA being dicks (no change there). Toni Monichiello gave them what for, mind

FocusZing

Deleted.

hypster

Pross wrote:

The treatment of Caster Semenyar is disgusting. She's a young woman with a medical condition she would probably much rather not have and yet gets treated with more disdain by the media and her fellow competitors than she would if she'd served a doping ban. For someone without the mental strength the whole saga could end tragically.

And what about all the other women competing against her who don't have her testosterone advantage? They're training their guts out and don't have a hope.

Interesting that when she was taking testosterone suppressant drugs she was getting nowhere. Then the CAS ruling allowed her to come off them and surprise, surprise, she wins Olympic gold. I wish I had 'her' level of testosterone.

bigmat

hypster wrote:

Pross wrote:

The treatment of Caster Semenyar is disgusting. She's a young woman with a medical condition she would probably much rather not have and yet gets treated with more disdain by the media and her fellow competitors than she would if she'd served a doping ban. For someone without the mental strength the whole saga could end tragically.

And what about all the other women competing against her who don't have her testosterone advantage? They're training their guts out and don't have a hope.

Interesting that when she was taking testosterone suppressant drugs she was getting nowhere. Then the CAS ruling allowed her to come off them and surprise, surprise, she wins Olympic gold. I wish I had 'her' level of testosterone.

Some pretty disgusting comments on CS on this thread. Regardless of whether you think she should be able to compete with her testosterone levels (and this is something that the relevant sporting bodies are looking at), to go beyond that and start making snide comments about her gender and inferring that she is a he is beneath contempt.

cruff

BigMat wrote:

hypster wrote:

Pross wrote:

The treatment of Caster Semenyar is disgusting. She's a young woman with a medical condition she would probably much rather not have and yet gets treated with more disdain by the media and her fellow competitors than she would if she'd served a doping ban. For someone without the mental strength the whole saga could end tragically.

And what about all the other women competing against her who don't have her testosterone advantage? They're training their guts out and don't have a hope.

Interesting that when she was taking testosterone suppressant drugs she was getting nowhere. Then the CAS ruling allowed her to come off them and surprise, surprise, she wins Olympic gold. I wish I had 'her' level of testosterone.

Some pretty disgusting comments on CS on this thread. Regardless of whether you think she should be able to compete with her testosterone levels (and this is something that the relevant sporting bodies are looking at), to go beyond that and start making snide comments about her gender and inferring that she is a he is beneath contempt.

^^This

The_Boy

Thirded.

reminded me of the comments from the Brit athlete who congratulated their colleague on twitter for finished 6th, suggesting they came third in the women's race.

dinyull

I have a lot of admiration for CS. Despite the constant shootstorm surrounding her she never looks fazed by the constant unwanted attention.

hypster

BigMat wrote:

hypster wrote:

Pross wrote:

The treatment of Caster Semenyar is disgusting. She's a young woman with a medical condition she would probably much rather not have and yet gets treated with more disdain by the media and her fellow competitors than she would if she'd served a doping ban. For someone without the mental strength the whole saga could end tragically.

And what about all the other women competing against her who don't have her testosterone advantage? They're training their guts out and don't have a hope.

Interesting that when she was taking testosterone suppressant drugs she was getting nowhere. Then the CAS ruling allowed her to come off them and surprise, surprise, she wins Olympic gold. I wish I had 'her' level of testosterone.

Some pretty disgusting comments on CS on this thread. Regardless of whether you think she should be able to compete with her testosterone levels (and this is something that the relevant sporting bodies are looking at), to go beyond that and start making snide comments about her gender and inferring that she is a he is beneath contempt.

Oh come on! She's got testes which makes her at best an hermaphrodite and therefore shouldn't be competing against women. Save your righteous indignation please because I'm not interested and you can stuff your contempt.

sherer

ive never seen it written before that she has testes, has this been documented before ?

CAS decived she could compete despite the high testosterone level and overruled the IAAF on the limits they imposed. That was the issue

bigmat

hypster wrote:

BigMat wrote:

hypster wrote:

Pross wrote:

The treatment of Caster Semenyar is disgusting. She's a young woman with a medical condition she would probably much rather not have and yet gets treated with more disdain by the media and her fellow competitors than she would if she'd served a doping ban. For someone without the mental strength the whole saga could end tragically.

And what about all the other women competing against her who don't have her testosterone advantage? They're training their guts out and don't have a hope.

Interesting that when she was taking testosterone suppressant drugs she was getting nowhere. Then the CAS ruling allowed her to come off them and surprise, surprise, she wins Olympic gold. I wish I had 'her' level of testosterone.

Some pretty disgusting comments on CS on this thread. Regardless of whether you think she should be able to compete with her testosterone levels (and this is something that the relevant sporting bodies are looking at), to go beyond that and start making snide comments about her gender and inferring that she is a he is beneath contempt.

Oh come on! She's got testes which makes her at best an hermaphrodite and therefore shouldn't be competing against women. Save your righteous indignation please because I'm not interested and you can stuff your contempt.

I don't know enough about her situation to comment on whether she should be allowed to compete without hormone suppressants or not, but I can't see any justification for people suggesting she isn't entitled to consider herself female.

bobmcstuff

I didn't think the testes thing was confirmed ?

Thought it was something called "hyperandrogynism" which is basically loads of testosterone. There was a leaked report that said she had no womb or ovaries and had internal testes instead but I thought that was unverified.

In any case her gender is her own business, but when it comes to sports they have to draw lines somewhere.

dish_dash

Our friend Ross Tucker has written reams on this. Take with a pinch of salt, but he says she has testes.
http://sportsscientists.com/2016/07/cas ... ya-debate/

joelsim

dish_dash wrote:

Our friend Ross Tucker has written reams on this. Take with a pinch of salt, but he says she has testes.
http://sportsscientists.com/2016/07/cas ... ya-debate/

Love the way he manages to get a dig in on Froome in an article about Semenya.

Also love this comment.

'Yes, I know what you’ll say about forums, and their quality and the futility of trying to engage in discussion with some people'

I really dislike this bloke.

blazing_saddles

Out of interest, what has Tucker said on the subject of Wayde van Niekerk?

dish_dash

Blazing Saddles wrote:

Out of interest, what has Tucker said on the subject of Wayde van Niekerk?

Well... he presented a suspicion index a couple of days ago (1-10, with 10 the highest and apparently he won't go below a 3) in a twitter discussion with Syed. From what I can piece together:

Rupp 10
Russians (all of the I presume) 9.5
Football 9.5
Farah 9.5
Dibaba 9
Lance 9
Blake 9
Bolt 8
Froome 8
Thomas 7
Radcliffe 7
Rudisha 6
Trott 5 or 6
van Niekerk 5

bobmcstuff

What why is Lance at only 9??

dish_dash

Oh man, I don't understand that list at all...

But Blazing he also wrote this on the man with no church

Van Niekerk is an example of locally developed excellence.

http://www.rdm.co.za/sport/2015/08/31/w ... t-athletes

lostboysaint

bobmcstuff wrote:

What why is Lance at only 9??

You need not to apply any kind of logic as the list has been created by a complete psychopath.