radio 5 live about doping in cycling 7pm monday
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when the omerta goes to the top of the uci..........what does that say about the sport, surely the uci need's disbanding and a fresh start needs to be implemented.0
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Exhausted...Millar for UCI president!!!!! Interesting?0
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MrT wrote:Exhausted...Millar for UCI president!!!!! Interesting?
Mmmmmm...Iain's already not happy at this idea!0 -
Richmond Racer wrote:MrT wrote:Exhausted...Millar for UCI president!!!!! Interesting?
Mmmmmm...Iain's already not happy at this idea!
Neither am I.
Millar is eloquent but very unbalanced.0 -
Rick Chasey wrote:Richmond Racer wrote:MrT wrote:Exhausted...Millar for UCI president!!!!! Interesting?
Mmmmmm...Iain's already not happy at this idea!
Neither am I.
Millar is eloquent but very unbalanced.
Well, its not going to happen anytime soon - if ever - anyways. Though his swearing is on a Presidential level to be fair.0 -
Rick Chasey wrote:Richmond Racer wrote:MrT wrote:Exhausted...Millar for UCI president!!!!! Interesting?
Mmmmmm...Iain's already not happy at this idea!
Neither am I.
Millar is eloquent but very unbalanced.
He did sort of say as much.
I think I'd like Millar to still play a role in cycling after the conclusion of his career as a rider. But president of the UCI? Don't think soYou live and learn. At any rate, you live0 -
AllezAllezAllez wrote:Very shocking to hear it directly from riders.
It does make you wonder how many races have been won clean and when this doping horror show first started, plus when (if) it has ended.
The history shows a shift from a DIY approach by riders themselves to organized regimes by teams and a network of suppliers.
It makes me wonder where this is leading.
In the background there are the pharma companies, the medical equivalents of Monsanto. They aspire to have their products used extensively by the general public, irrevocably embedded in people's lifestyles.
These companies (and their shareholders, if they have any) are the potential winners in the long-term and cycling helps them achieve that aim.
They gamble that the fight against doping will be lost or grind to a halt in apathy and confusion and, ultimately, doping will be legitimized rather than outlawed.
It's a crucial moment – do we want EPO as the Lucozade of pick-me-ups for your average worker, enabling people to endure long work days with multiple-hour commutes? Do you want your kids doing grassroots races on dope?0 -
And very clear inference that the same is happening to a greater or lesser degree in most other sports... And DM stated that at least cycling are facing their demons ...0
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Le Commentateur wrote:Do you want your kids doing grassroots races on dope?
No.
But a Fruit Shoot and a bowl of Coco Pops has the same effect....“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
I'd rather have Millar than Tchmil.0
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01ngqxd
Usually an hour or two before they are available for replay.0 -
itisaboutthebike wrote:
Suggestions that Usain Bolt may be a doper too
http://www.muscleweek.com/is-usain-bolt-on-steroids0 -
One thing the radio prog could have done is explained how mental you have to be ANYWAY to want to be a pro-cyclist.0
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Also, I like how Chappers, when discussing when Hamilton moves to blood transfusions he says "you went on the heavy heavy stuff. I mean EPO is one thing, but blood tranfusions..."
Should tell that to all those dead Dutch cyclist in the '90s..!0 -
Rick Chasey wrote:Also, I like how Chappers, when discussing when Hamilton moves to blood transfusions he says "you went on the heavy heavy stuff. I mean EPO is one thing, but blood tranfusions..."
Should tell that to all those dead Dutch cyclist in the '90s..!
That was 20 years ago. No one dies from using EPO these days.
Transfusions are might higher risk, especially when you look at how ghetto-tastic the whole thing seems to be.Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.0 -
Yeah.
Quick question - I remember Vaughters was going on about the phisiological scars he has from doping when he was gassing on the clinic.
Does anyone know what they might be?0 -
iainf72 wrote:Rick Chasey wrote:Also, I like how Chappers, when discussing when Hamilton moves to blood transfusions he says "you went on the heavy heavy stuff. I mean EPO is one thing, but blood tranfusions..."
Should tell that to all those dead Dutch cyclist in the '90s..!
That was 20 years ago. No one dies from using EPO these days.
You sure? I cant find a definitive list but these are from 2003-4, 12 months that's fairly recent
Denis Zanette (Italy)
Died January 11 2003, aged 32
Zanette, right, collapsed after visiting the dentist. Instantly linked to the use of the blood-booster EPO, which led to an outcry in Italy and demands for stricter drug controls.
Marco Ceriani (Italy)
Died May 5, aged 16
An elite amateur, Ceriani experienced a heart attack during a race, was admitted to hospital in a coma, and failed to recover consciousness.
Fabrice Salanson (France)
Died June 3, aged 23
Died of a heart attack in his sleep. Was found by his room mate in their team hotel. Had been about to compete in the Tour of Germany.
Marco Rusconi (Italy)
Died November 14, aged 24
Rusconi was leaving the party of a friend last November when he collapsed and died in a shopping centre car park.
Jose Maria Jimenez (Spain)
Died December 6, aged 32
Died from a heart attack in a psychiatric hospital in Madrid. Had retired two years previously but consistently claimed a comeback was imminent.
Michel Zanoli (Netherlands)
Died December 29, aged 35
Zanoli, who retired in 1997, was 35 when he suffered a fatal heart attack.
Johan Sermon (Belgium)
Died February 15 2004, aged 21
http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2004/fe ... g.cycling10 -
In his Pantani book, Matt Rendell certainly writes about links between EPO and deaths of cyclists under 30 in the 90s and early 00s, special reference to pyschological issues.0
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Love how French Bassons is in that.
"Puh, c'est la vie" to more or less everything Hamilton says about him.0 -
Rick Chasey wrote:Love how French Bassons is in that.
"Puh, c'est la vie" to more or less everything Hamilton says about him.
Yeah, once Hamilton had it pointed out to him that he was actually showing little in the way of apology to someone like Bassons who not only had been cheated but also driven out of the sport, now I suspect Hamilton is half-expecting a typical Oprah-stylie emotional, all out in the open, apology-forgiveness orgy. ("Tyler, who do you think should be President of the UCI?" Hamilton: "Bassons". Blurgh..)
And all he gets from Bassons is "Puh, c'est la vie"
Bassons - classy in so many respects.0 -
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I just think Bassons doesnt care one way or the other.Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.0
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Rick Chasey wrote:iainf72 wrote:I just think Bassons doesnt care one way or the other.
Cares enough to go on the radio about it and write articles about it at the time.
Yep, I meant now. Like Friebe likes to point out, don't feel sorry for him, he's fine now. Too well adjusted to be a cyclist anyway.Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.0 -
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Pod available here - http://www.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/series/5lspecials
Not listened yet so I'm keeping Schtum..We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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Richmond Racer wrote:I like Hamilton telling Mark Chapman to pass on his number to HV and PM and telling them to call him
David Millar had a good reposte to this...it was along the lines of, if you really want to influence the sport re anti-doping then you can, you don't need to wait for the UCI to get involved with you...as if anything the USADA or the radio show proved, they lack motivation (to say the least)!
Millar has done good work with WADA...I don't want to say something that isn't true...but has Hamilton?! Has he really been proactive like others outside of his own book publication and the USADA investigation?
It takes bravery to break the Omerta, but once its broken there's so much more he could have/can/should do...2011 Trek Madone 3.1c
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Dolor transit, gloria aeterna est.0 -
itisaboutthebike wrote:
Phew - I misread this and though a large rock from outer space was about to land on Wimbledon0
