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  • TMR
    TMR Posts: 3,986
    Jez mon wrote:
    Can't help but feel career ending bans would do little to help clean up the sport...

    The testing needs to be more rigorous, athletes respond logically to the situation. A two year ban is already a tremendous punishment as it is, (so long as it isn't back dated) if we say an average pro rider has a career from the ages of 22 to 35, a two year ban is 15% of your career, and career earnings. Yet riders doped because they knew they could fool the tests.

    Perhaps it's just me, but surely the punishment should be so severe as to make doping a complete non-option? If you want a clean sport then don't cherry pick - you dope and are caught, then you never ride competitively again. End of.

    Of course this would require a completely UCI independent testing body, who are not required to inform the UCI of any positive result before it's released to the media. Completely bypass the corruption and cronyisim.
  • TMR
    TMR Posts: 3,986
    Anyway, apologies to the OP. I didn't mean to take the thread OT.

    Sorry.
  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
    http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/contado ... ial-course
    Contador is the Greatest
  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    The Mad Rapper wrote:
    Perhaps it's just me, but surely the punishment should be so severe as to make doping a complete non-option? If you want a clean sport then don't cherry pick - you dope and are caught, then you never ride competitively again. End of.

    You mean like the death penalty?

    Coz that works
    Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.
  • andyp
    andyp Posts: 10,454
    Steady Iain, no-one cheats now in this new era of honest riding.
  • greasedscotsman
    greasedscotsman Posts: 6,962
    andyp wrote:
    Steady Iain, no-one cheats now in this new era of honest riding.

    Apart from Frank Schleck. Best get the gallows ready!
  • dsoutar
    dsoutar Posts: 1,746
    Richmond Racer wrote:
    RoyPSB wrote:
    As usual, Twisted Spoke has it spot on
    http://www.atwistedspoke.com/valvarde-f ... nst-truth/

    Just read this. Jeez - what a cnut. I know pro-cyclists aren't picked for their intellectual capabilities, but he must be as thick as sh!t to come out with something as crass as that.
  • Richmond Racer
    Richmond Racer Posts: 8,561
    Michael Ashenden on Omerta 101

    http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/opi ... omerta-101


    'Yet again, a member of the cycling fraternity had confided to me a shocking anecdote, this time calling into question the integrity of cycling’s overlords. Yet again, despite my pleadings, they refused to share their knowledge with authorities. They were terrified that if ever their name was leaked they would be ostracized from cycling forever.'

    Please cant we just set fire to that building in Aigle...
  • Richmond Racer
    Richmond Racer Posts: 8,561
    dsoutar wrote:
    Richmond Racer wrote:
    RoyPSB wrote:
    As usual, Twisted Spoke has it spot on
    http://www.atwistedspoke.com/valvarde-f ... nst-truth/

    Just read this. Jeez - what a cnut. I know pro-cyclists aren't picked for their intellectual capabilities, but he must be as thick as sh!t to come out with something as crass as that.



    Like Cyclismas, Twisted Spoke is parody (most of the time) - but usually with a kernel of truth in there...
  • TMR
    TMR Posts: 3,986
    iainf72 wrote:
    You mean like the death penalty?

    Coz that works

    LOL! :mrgreen:

    Don't even get me started...
  • thomthom
    thomthom Posts: 3,574
    dsoutar wrote:
    Richmond Racer wrote:
    RoyPSB wrote:
    As usual, Twisted Spoke has it spot on
    http://www.atwistedspoke.com/valvarde-f ... nst-truth/

    Just read this. Jeez - what a cnut. I know pro-cyclists aren't picked for their intellectual capabilities, but he must be as thick as sh!t to come out with something as crass as that.

    This is why TwistedSpoke is not a good idea. Many people don't get the obvious irony. I don't blame them though. I'm yet to read a funny article in there.
  • greasedscotsman
    greasedscotsman Posts: 6,962
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cycling/19654340

    Not good news, Armitstead out of the Worlds RR due to illness and Team GB not going to bring in a replacement. :cry:
  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
    bettini.jpg
    Contador is the Greatest
  • knedlicky
    knedlicky Posts: 3,097
    Richmond Racer wrote:
    dsoutar wrote:
    Richmond Racer wrote:
    RoyPSB wrote:
    As usual, Twisted Spoke has it spot on
    http://www.atwistedspoke.com/valvarde-f ... nst-truth/
    Just read this. Jeez - what a cnut. I know pro-cyclists aren't picked for their intellectual capabilities, but he must be as thick as sh!t to come out with something as crass as that.
    Like Cyclismas, Twisted Spoke is parody (most of the time) - but usually with a kernel of truth in there...
    Is it parody? I honestly don’t know, as it’s not a website I’m familiar with.
    Eitherway the real or parodied Valverde has got it right (as Vino’s Ghost earlier in this thread did too) – an amnesty shouldn’t ever need to include revelation of the truth.

    When it comes to crimes committed during war (e.g. WW2 or Algeria) or civil unrest (e.g. Chile and Argentina), the general idea of amnesty is that undiscovered facts are no longer sought, and even facts that have been partially discovered are no longer pursued (unless compensation to others is deemed warranted). After an amnesty, there is therefore no longer a need or wish to find the truth or to have it made public.

    War crimes are clearly far worse than sport misdemeanours, and so if war amnesties don’t seek the truth after an amnesty, why should a relatively minor sport require it? For me, Valverde is right in his argument.

    That doesn’t mean I agree with an amnesty in cycling, because I don’t, for a couple of reasons, one being that ...
    ...in the case of Chile, the amnesty was granted by the Pinochet regime to protect those who had committed crimes in order to allow Pinochet stay in power, and I see parallels in any amnesty granted by the current UCI leadership.

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