Best example of "The bad old days"

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  • greasedscotsman
    greasedscotsman Posts: 6,962
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Crazy that Indurain could ride like that in '95, and a year later collapse.

    And win the Olympic TT?
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    greasedscotsman wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Crazy that Indurain could ride like that in '95, and a year later collapse.

    And win the Olympic TT?

    Forgot that.

    Was thinking the '96 TdF.
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  • greasedscotsman
    greasedscotsman Posts: 6,962
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    greasedscotsman wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Crazy that Indurain could ride like that in '95, and a year later collapse.

    And win the Olympic TT?

    Forgot that.

    Was thinking the '96 TdF.

    And the Dauphine, won that in '96 as well. But I think you are right, dominant in '95 and then retired by the Vuelta a year later. Didn't hang about for long. But then I get the feeling that he was never really that bothered with it all.
  • mfin
    mfin Posts: 6,729
    pb21 wrote:
    Contador vs Rasmussen

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WRqxW9Jyt8

    That one was great, counting the recovery between flat out attacks is a total joke, really funny to watch.
  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
    greasedscotsman wrote:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34AY5epnluw&feature=related

    Yeah, was going to post this one. Totally ridiculous difference in speeds.

    Sella's multi col solo rides were out of this World.
    Contador is the Greatest
  • pb21
    pb21 Posts: 2,171
    mfin wrote:
    pb21 wrote:
    Contador vs Rasmussen

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WRqxW9Jyt8

    That one was great, counting the recovery between flat out attacks is a total joke, really funny to watch.

    I only started to watch cycling around 2004 and this was the first time I was laughing as I was watching. Until this point I was incredibly naive, even Landis fooled me!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GI9_SIJrhTo
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  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
    pb21 wrote:
    mfin wrote:
    pb21 wrote:
    Contador vs Rasmussen

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WRqxW9Jyt8

    That one was great, counting the recovery between flat out attacks is a total joke, really funny to watch.

    I only started to watch cycling around 2004 and this was the first time I was laughing as I was watching. Until this point I was incredibly naive, even Landis fooled me!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GI9_SIJrhTo

    Funny how he can do the same thing every race he chooses to every year, even doing it yesterday and gapping them for 50m in a few heartbeats. Must be pure natural talent.

    Dont forget that despite it looking very exciting, he got a total of 58 secs on the chasers (not heavyweights) after attacking as far out as he did.
    10 Alberto Contador Velasco (Spa) Discovery Channel Pro Cycling Team 5.31
    11 Michael Rasmussen (Den) Rabobank
    12 George Hincapie (USA) Discovery Channel Pro Cycling Team 5.47
    13 Cadel Evans (Aus) Predictor - Lotto 6.27
    14 Mikel Astarloza Chaurreau (Spa) Euskaltel - Euskadi
    15 Michael Boogerd (Ned) Rabobank
    16 Levi Leipheimer (USA) Discovery Channel Pro Cycling Team
    17 Andreas Klöden (Ger) Astana
    18 Alejandro Valverde Belmonte (Spa) Caisse d'Epargne
    19 Carlos Sastre Candil (Spa) Team CSC
    20 Andrey Kashechkin (Kaz) Astana
    21 Johann Tschopp (Swi) Bouygues Telecom
    22 Serguei Ivanov (Rus) Astana
    Contador is the Greatest
  • mfin
    mfin Posts: 6,729
    frenchfighter wrote:
    Funny how he can do the same thing every race he chooses to every year, even doing it yesterday and gapping them for 50m in a few heartbeats. Must be pure natural talent.

    Eh? You're comparing yesterday with that!? Nmind.
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,696
    JonGinge wrote:
    cougie wrote:
    What was that climb that Ricco and his team mate came 1 and 2 on, and they werent even breathing hard at the top ? I think he got busted shortly after.
    hautacam 2008? That was piepoli and cobo. Piepoli looked easy, cobo not so much

    That would be mine too - Somehow it's worse because by then we all knew we were watching a dope fuelled ride, but still the sport was treating us like fools.

    At least with the late 1990's /early 2000's we were too naive to realise.
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  • shinyhelmut
    shinyhelmut Posts: 1,364
    pb21 wrote:
    mfin wrote:
    pb21 wrote:
    Contador vs Rasmussen

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WRqxW9Jyt8

    That one was great, counting the recovery between flat out attacks is a total joke, really funny to watch.

    I only started to watch cycling around 2004 and this was the first time I was laughing as I was watching. Until this point I was incredibly naive, even Landis fooled me!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GI9_SIJrhTo

    How could I have forgotten flandis?

    And on the subject of long breaks in the mountains how about Chiapucci into sestriere?
  • andrewjoseph
    andrewjoseph Posts: 2,165
    mfin wrote:
    frenchfighter wrote:
    Funny how he can do the same thing every race he chooses to every year, even doing it yesterday and gapping them for 50m in a few heartbeats. Must be pure natural talent.


    Eh? You're comparing yesterday with that!? Nmind.

    The others are doped, Contador has pure natural talent. Keep up man! :wink:

    FF just refuses to let reality get in the way.
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  • mfin
    mfin Posts: 6,729
    andrewjoseph wrote:
    mfin wrote:
    frenchfighter wrote:
    Funny how he can do the same thing every race he chooses to every year, even doing it yesterday and gapping them for 50m in a few heartbeats. Must be pure natural talent.


    Eh? You're comparing yesterday with that!? Nmind.

    The others are doped, Contador has pure natural talent. Keep up man! :wink:

    FF just refuses to let reality get in the way.

    I get the love-in bit, I don't get how the posted ride compares to yesterday that's all.
  • andrewjoseph
    andrewjoseph Posts: 2,165
    mfin wrote:
    ...

    I get the love-in bit, I don't get how the posted ride compares to yesterday that's all.

    Nor me, but bertie did attack and put distance into the rest, so it's nearly the same.
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  • shockedsoshocked
    shockedsoshocked Posts: 4,021
    Di Luca in the Giro against Menchov was pretty outrageous as well. He was attacking on every slight incline.
    "A cyclist has nothing to lose but his chain"

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  • ms_tree
    ms_tree Posts: 1,405
    MrTapir wrote:
    Dabber wrote:
    phreak wrote:
    I forget the name of the climb, but in the '99 Giro, Pantani had a mechanical at the bottom of the climb, stopped to fix it, sprinted back up to the leaders who had attacked him anyway, then ended up dropping them all before the top.

    The Oropa

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-J2bIsPDH8

    Always worth another viewing.

    Is it Chiapucci at the front of the big group about 1:56? And Jalabert in the French jersey? That is quite an incredible video.

    I'm quite glad that its not like that anymore, its like the cycling equivalent of Rocky IV.
    No it looks like Simoni I think Definitely Jalabert tho in French champ's jersey. Love this - the way the team mate's come back one by one.
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  • mididoctors
    mididoctors Posts: 18,908
    FJS wrote:
    The 1994 Fleche Wallonne Gewiss Ballan team 1-2-3 .
    That was the race after which Ferrari, their team doctor, made his EPO is no more dangerous than orange juice comment

    +1

    that was mad
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  • Paul 8v
    Paul 8v Posts: 5,458
    mfin wrote:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Og76z4kGMQU&feature=related

    Same thing but with Phil n Paul usual rubbish
    Blimey, that music brings back a few memories!
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  • cougie
    cougie Posts: 22,512
    Aah yes cobo and piepoli on the Hautacam - cheers. So dodgy.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJl2zixO ... ata_player
  • Matchstick Man
    Matchstick Man Posts: 565
    FJS wrote:
    The 1994 Fleche Wallonne Gewiss Ballan team 1-2-3 .
    That was the race after which Ferrari, their team doctor, made his EPO is no more dangerous than orange juice comment

    and Gewiss winning Tirreno Adriatico and MSR with Giorgio Furlan, LBL with Berzin, the Giro with Berzin and the Tour of Lombardy with the well known Vladislav Bobrik :roll:

    In 1995 they set the record for the fastest TTT which stood for 10 years until Discovery Channel broke it.....
  • Vino'sGhost
    Vino'sGhost Posts: 4,129
    Yesterday's stage was a good example, the red jersey reminded me of the way basso was when he destroyed simoni
  • disgruntledgoat
    disgruntledgoat Posts: 8,957
    Minus the "riding away from one of the world's best climbers with your mouth shut" bit?

    I always get really hacked off watching the 05 Giro on my (12 hour long) DVD of it... "Savoldelli has worked with Lance Armstrong, who taught him how to turn the pedals faster!" from guess who?
    "In many ways, my story was that of a raging, Christ-like figure who hauled himself off the cross, looked up at the Romans with blood in his eyes and said 'My turn, sock cookers'"

    @gietvangent
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    mididoctors wrote:
    FJS wrote:
    The 1994 Fleche Wallonne Gewiss Ballan team 1-2-3 .
    That was the race after which Ferrari, their team doctor, made his EPO is no more dangerous than orange juice comment

    +1

    that was mad

    Can't find it on youtube :(.
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    Also, is that any worse than Roubaix 1996?
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  • lloyd_bower
    lloyd_bower Posts: 664
    frenchfighter wrote:
    pb21 wrote:
    mfin wrote:
    pb21 wrote:
    Contador vs Rasmussen

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WRqxW9Jyt8

    That one was great, counting the recovery between flat out attacks is a total joke, really funny to watch.

    I only started to watch cycling around 2004 and this was the first time I was laughing as I was watching. Until this point I was incredibly naive, even Landis fooled me!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GI9_SIJrhTo

    Funny how he can do the same thing every race he chooses to every year, even doing it yesterday and gapping them for 50m in a few heartbeats. Must be pure natural talent.

    Dont forget that despite it looking very exciting, he got a total of 58 secs on the chasers (not heavyweights) after attacking as far out as he did.
    10 Alberto Contador Velasco (Spa) Discovery Channel Pro Cycling Team 5.31
    11 Michael Rasmussen (Den) Rabobank
    12 George Hincapie (USA) Discovery Channel Pro Cycling Team 5.47
    13 Cadel Evans (Aus) Predictor - Lotto 6.27
    14 Mikel Astarloza Chaurreau (Spa) Euskaltel - Euskadi
    15 Michael Boogerd (Ned) Rabobank
    16 Levi Leipheimer (USA) Discovery Channel Pro Cycling Team
    17 Andreas Klöden (Ger) Astana
    18 Alejandro Valverde Belmonte (Spa) Caisse d'Epargne
    19 Carlos Sastre Candil (Spa) Team CSC
    20 Andrey Kashechkin (Kaz) Astana
    21 Johann Tschopp (Swi) Bouygues Telecom
    22 Serguei Ivanov (Rus) Astana

    Mmm Evans & Sastre were no mugs, widely considered to be he cleanest of recent tour winners. That clip, with the two dopers head v head was the reason Evans didn't win is first tour a tad earlier.
    Sastre winning the tour a year later, the reason apparently for Armstrong's comeback, enough said.
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,463
    It's worrying that almost every memorable moment of the last 20 years more or less gets mentioned! One that hasn't been yet is Hamilton on Stage 16 of the 2003 Tour, 142km solo break to win by nearly 2 minutes with a broken collarbone and went on to finish 4th overall. I liked to give riders the benefit of the doubt up until then.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    Landis was the first time I remember watching and not believing what I saw happening live infront of me - which is pretty rare for me. I usually only tend to feel that way in hindsight.
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  • Vino'sGhost
    Vino'sGhost Posts: 4,129
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Landis was the first time I remember watching and not believing what I saw happening live infront of me - which is pretty rare for me. I usually only tend to feel that way in hindsight.
    But it was a great ride, I've never laughed as loud for ages.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    Yeah. My overriding memories of that stage were:

    1)he got through about 200 bottles or something. Remember thinking that was really odd. Not sure why.

    2) he was so ANGRY at the finish. Never seen someone so up for a fight like that, especially after the kind of effort he put in.
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  • disgruntledgoat
    disgruntledgoat Posts: 8,957
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Yeah. My overriding memories of that stage were:

    1)he got through about 200 bottles or something. Remember thinking that was really odd. Not sure why.

    2) he was so ANGRY at the finish. Never seen someone so up for a fight like that, especially after the kind of effort he put in.

    The best bit of that whole saga for me was Richard "only in July" Williams of the Guardian writing that he knew Landis would test positive because of his "wild staring eyes" :roll: Utter baws.

    Didn't he say in the Kimmage interview that the bottles were a strategy to keep his core temperature down to enable him to sustain the effort longer?
    "In many ways, my story was that of a raging, Christ-like figure who hauled himself off the cross, looked up at the Romans with blood in his eyes and said 'My turn, sock cookers'"

    @gietvangent
  • Vino'sGhost
    Vino'sGhost Posts: 4,129
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Yeah. My overriding memories of that stage were:

    1)he got through about 200 bottles or something. Remember thinking that was really odd. Not sure why.

    2) he was so ANGRY at the finish. Never seen someone so up for a fight like that, especially after the kind of effort he put in.

    ha he looked like he was going to punch someone, anyone! and the bit where he punctured was a classic too

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