I don't believe Lance Armstrong doped and never will

Richmond Racer

OCDuPalais wrote:

Are DDD and BB the opposite of celestial twins?
Both sharing an inverse obdurate stance to one another.
Like 2 heads on either side of a coin: cast from the same worthless alloy, looking in opposite directions...

That's almost poetic, that is

pb21

Richmond Racer wrote:

OCDuPalais wrote:

Are DDD and BB the opposite of celestial twins?
Both sharing an inverse obdurate stance to one another.
Like 2 heads on either side of a coin: cast from the same worthless alloy, looking in opposite directions...

That's almost poetic, that is

Can you imagine if they met!

pb21

DonDaddyD wrote:

My understanding is that Armstrong is tired of having to fight the machine. His rage has gone. Sad really. But, honestly, I've never seen such a long drawn out case. If the sample is there it's there and I'll hold my hands up. If it's conjecture and "fellow" teammates confessing that they saw him EPO-up then I'm going to ask to see a sample proving it.

You don't need to see something or have something concrete to believe it exists, which is all it is. I believe Armstrong exists, even though i haven't seen him with my own eyes.

Even if there was a positive test result, you could say 'ah but how do we know its his', or 'how do we know it hasnt been fiddled with' etc. At some stage rational thinking will suggest that in the balance of probabilities he was on the sauce.

ReesA

why do people keep saying this is about belief? It's about a case opened and backed up by hard evidence. LA chose not to confront that evidence in public.

belief is irrelevant. this isn't a faith exercise.

t.m.h.n.e.t

pb21 wrote:

Richmond Racer wrote:

OCDuPalais wrote:

Are DDD and BB the opposite of celestial twins?
Both sharing an inverse obdurate stance to one another.
Like 2 heads on either side of a coin: cast from the same worthless alloy, looking in opposite directions...

That's almost poetic, that is

Can you imagine if they met!

Would the Higgs Boson be created?

Paul E

T.M.H.N.E.T wrote:

pb21 wrote:

Richmond Racer wrote:

OCDuPalais wrote:

Are DDD and BB the opposite of celestial twins?
Both sharing an inverse obdurate stance to one another.
Like 2 heads on either side of a coin: cast from the same worthless alloy, looking in opposite directions...

That's almost poetic, that is

Can you imagine if they met!

Would the Higgs Boson be created?

Possibly yes but that more likely than him changing his point of view on anything as he thinks he is right and avoids any post or question that might make him look even more stupid and blinkered

ocdupalais

T.M.H.N.E.T wrote:

pb21 wrote:

Richmond Racer wrote:

OCDuPalais wrote:

Are DDD and BB the opposite of celestial twins?
Both sharing an inverse obdurate stance to one another.
Like 2 heads on either side of a coin: cast from the same worthless alloy, looking in opposite directions...

That's almost poetic, that is

Can you imagine if they met!

Would the Higgs Boson be created?

It would.
But then it would be very very bored and rename itself and ride for Sky.

t.m.h.n.e.t

OCDuPalais wrote:

T.M.H.N.E.T wrote:

pb21 wrote:

Richmond Racer wrote:

OCDuPalais wrote:

Are DDD and BB the opposite of celestial twins?
Both sharing an inverse obdurate stance to one another.
Like 2 heads on either side of a coin: cast from the same worthless alloy, looking in opposite directions...

That's almost poetic, that is

Can you imagine if they met!

Would the Higgs Boson be created?

It would.
But then it would be very very bored and rename itself and ride for Sky.

Applause deserved sir

rolf_f

DonDaddyD wrote:

My understanding is that Armstrong is tired of having to fight the machine. His rage has gone. Sad really. But, honestly, I've never seen such a long drawn out case. If the sample is there it's there and I'll hold my hands up. If it's conjecture and "fellow" teammates confessing that they saw him EPO-up then I'm going to ask to see a sample proving it.

That seems to be the case. From his perspective. But, on the other hand, you've spent over a decade fighting to be the best you can, arguably the greatest tour rider ever. You have a huge amount of financial wealth. Then the 'authorities' come along and try to take it away from you. You 'know' they have no evidence because you are clean right?

And on that basis you can't be bothered to keep paying for the lawyers? How much of the fighting would Lance actually have to do himself?

Compared to the amount of time he spent on winning the TdF, very little I would think. Personally, I'd fight til my dying day. But I'd be damn pee'd off that I had to. But I would. And Lance has far more grim determination and bloody mindedness to succeed than I do. I mean, someone who can win 7 TdFs has to be good at fighting doesn't he?

rdt

Raymondo60 wrote:

I'm a huge Lance Armstrong fan - 'Its not about the bike' got me into Road Riding (partly) after years on the MTB. I believe it is highly likely that he used banned substances. I don't KNOW that and I never could as I wasn't around him at the time, and I'm a person that only believes what I can see and hear myself, and even then I'm not certain of anything. However, if the authorities have 'evidence' that he has broken the rules (as they claim) then why do they not reveal the evidence NOW? Rather than all this 'We'll reveal it when the time is right' stuff. This attitude, in my opinion, undermines THEIR side of the story too. I think that what Lance has done is to 'beat the system' of drug-testing, probably. Again, I don't know that - he may even be completly innocent. The important thing is that NONE of us can know what happened - we can only offer an opinion based on our own prejudices.

You could do yourself a favour and do a spot of background reading into the formal process that USADA has been following for the past few months, and is still following with the other members of the conspiracy whose cases are still to be determined.

Alternatively, just post lazy comments like the above.

heavymental

OCDuPalais wrote:

Are DDD and BB the opposite of celestial twins?
Both sharing an inverse obdurate stance to one another.
Like 2 heads on either side of a coin: cast from the same worthless alloy, looking in opposite directions...

Where's Prawny with his guitar? This is quality stuff.

No_Ta_Doctor

What this thread needs is a graph

ReesA

Let's start a vote!





(on whether this entire thread is a troll)

mercsport

Richmond Racer wrote:

OCDuPalais wrote:

Are DDD and BB the opposite of celestial twins?
Both sharing an inverse obdurate stance to one another.
Like 2 heads on either side of a coin: cast from the same worthless alloy, looking in opposite directions...

That's almost poetic, that is

OCDP's post is probably the best - and funniest - I've read in a long time. Inspired.

tailwindhome

http://www.theonion.com/articles/lance- ... ill,29313/

mercsport

TailWindHome wrote:

http://www.theonion.com/articles/lance-armstrong-lets-down-single-person-who-still,29313/

The Onion is always fun. Worth reminding ourselves of previous Lance articles over the years: http://www.theonion.com/search/?q=lance+armstrong

prawny

Heavymental wrote:

OCDuPalais wrote:

Are DDD and BB the opposite of celestial twins?
Both sharing an inverse obdurate stance to one another.
Like 2 heads on either side of a coin: cast from the same worthless alloy, looking in opposite directions...

Where's Prawny with his guitar? This is quality stuff.

This one needs accordion accompaniment, just off down cash converters

andy_wrx

mercsport wrote:

TailWindHome wrote:

http://www.theonion.com/articles/lance-armstrong-lets-down-single-person-who-still,29313/

The Onion is always fun. Worth reminding ourselves of previous Lance articles over the years: http://www.theonion.com/search/?q=lance+armstrong

Look what you can buy from the Onion store !
http://store.theonion.com/p-5045-cheat- ... celet.aspx

luckao

No tA Doctor wrote:

What this thread needs is a graph

For all of the non-cycling fans arriving to get a better perspective, I've tried to succinctly summarise the important details of the case.

Le Commentateur

"I cannot appeal against the judgement because by appealing I would legitimise the court."
— Anders Breivik adopts the Armstrong tactic of willful avoidance of others' authority.

RichN95.

Le Commentateur wrote:

"I cannot appeal against the judgement because by appealing I would legitimise the court."
— Anders Breivik adopts the Armstrong tactic of willful avoidance of others' authority.

When I was studying at Dictator College, in the Exit Strategy module we did a whole lecture of disputing the legitimacy of the court, and I've been heartened to see some of my contempories using their training at The Hague. It was only a couple of years later that I saw the American student on Eurosport.

Incidentally, I ultimately failed the course. The Creative Facial Hair module was my undoing.

ocdupalais

RichN95 wrote:

Incidentally, I ultimately failed the course. The Creative Facial Hair module was my undoing.

Right.

I think we can do this.
I booked a certain BW for next week's tutorial...
Dave Z will be around the week after.

If that all comes to nought, Sir Nodwald of Holder (Slade) is on hand to sort you right out.
Majorly.

No_Ta_Doctor

RichN95 wrote:

Le Commentateur wrote:

"I cannot appeal against the judgement because by appealing I would legitimise the court."
— Anders Breivik adopts the Armstrong tactic of willful avoidance of others' authority.

When I was studying at Dictator College, in the Exit Strategy module we did a whole lecture of disputing the legitimacy of the court, and I've been heartened to see some of my contempories using their training at The Hague. It was only a couple of years later that I saw the American student on Eurosport.

Incidentally, I ultimately failed the course. The Creative Facial Hair module was my undoing.

How did you do on the Ranting from the Dock and Inside I'm A Deeply Poetic Thinker modules?

mercsport

andy_wrx wrote:

mercsport wrote:

TailWindHome wrote:

http://www.theonion.com/articles/lance-armstrong-lets-down-single-person-who-still,29313/

The Onion is always fun. Worth reminding ourselves of previous Lance articles over the years: http://www.theonion.com/search/?q=lance+armstrong

Look what you can buy from the Onion store !
http://store.theonion.com/p-5045-cheat- ... celet.aspx

Wonderful, I want one!

Thanks for the pointer, it's ages since I had a poke around the Onion Store. In there I was reminded of the term 'CheatStrong' which led me to posit the question in Google and ultimately this warm hearted tribute to the wonder that is Lance: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DQRRCWqVJY

dennisn

ReesA wrote:

Let's start a vote!

(on whether this entire thread is a troll)

Let me get this straight.

The OP claims to be a Lance fan - Therefore he IS a troll.

20 or 30 people on this forum regularly post various hate messages - Therefore they are NOT trolls.

Got it. I think.

mattshrops

dennisn wrote:

ReesA wrote:

Let's start a vote!

(on whether this entire thread is a troll)

Let me get this straight.

The OP claims to be a Lance fan - Therefore he IS a troll.

20 or 30 people on this forum regularly post various hate messages - Therefore they are NOT trolls.

Got it. I think.

Goddammit Gump you're a goddam genius
http://youtu.be/NoptofKbQ04

mamba80

i dont give a flying xxxx at rolling doughnut whether LA doped or not - that era of racing was exciting and provided inspiration for many of the LA "haters" on here now.
Its not like he was crap is it? 2yrs off, comeback in his late 30s and still get a top 5 in the tdf, thats not too bad or was that doped as well?
To strip him of his 7 wins is just so unfair, why not Roche, Fignon - abit late perhaps? Ris etc etc etc or haven forbid GL ? how come he could compete against these guys??? clean!
the list is endless and give the 7 titles to whom exactly? its a joke and its history and should be forgotten.
DDD is entitled to his opinion but to compare LA (in any sense) with Anders B is quite honestly sickening, AB is a monster who snuffed out 70 odd young lives, whilst they screamed in front of him for mercy.

bompington

mamba80 wrote:

i dont give a flying xxxx at rolling doughnut whether LA doped or not - that era of racing was exciting and provided inspiration for many of the LA "haters" on here now.

Quite right. It would be even more exciting if we gave all the riders weapons and allowed them to attack each other, or if they had to ride through roads infested with bears and tigers, or if we shot the last 3 finishers on each stage.
If excitement without any kind of ethics is what you want, of course.

Prime586

mamba80 wrote:

Its not like he was crap is it? 2yrs off, comeback in his late 30s and still get a top 5 in the tdf, thats not too bad or was that doped as well?

You obviously aren't too familiar with the evidence in the case, as that's exactly what USADA have said (and they have the test result data to back it up). The data was released publically as part of a New York Daily News report on the investigation:
https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid= ... MmMw&pli=1

Look at the Hematocrit % column (the percentage of oxygen-carrying red blood cells by volume). You don't need to be a drug testing expert or hematologist to see there is something going on with the sudden spikes in the percentage of red blood cells - between the 31st of May and 16th of June the hematocrit jumps by 7.5% which is very suspicious in such a short period of time.

The more interesting question is why the UCI didn't flag any of this up as a Bio Passport violation at the time (though I suspect we can probably guess the answer). Of course, I am probably wasting my time typing this though as like the OP, some people's opinion will only be changed if they hear a confession straight from the "donkey's" mouth.

Monty Dog

The other intruiging sub-plot is that at the early onset of testicular cancer, Armstrong's T-score should have gone ballistic but if he was being subjected to this barrage of tests, how come nobody noticed or was it because he was effectively masking the results of hormone abuse? This also begs the question as to whether his results were being supressed by US Cycling (run by none other than Thom Weisel, team owner)?