I don't believe Lance Armstrong doped and never will

DonDaddyD
DonDaddyD Posts: 12,689
edited August 2012 in Pro race
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cycling/19365234

I'm beginning to feel sorry for Lance Armstrong and this ridiculous witch hunt. Innocent until proven guilty, and to prove someone guilty you need the evidence. Where is the pee filled cup that proves without any measure of reasonable doubt that he doped!

Sure it is likely he did, it's probably likely - as i have always said - that he took extra doses of EPO under the guise of his cancer treatments.

In any case the none of the above matters, the fact remains that unless there is hard evidence - in the form of a sample - any number of people can say he doped or have claimed to have seen him dope, if you cannot prove it then he didn't.

#LeaveLanceAlone
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    You're an..... if you think that.


    Seriously.

    Have you actually seen any of the evidence? Beyond what he himself is saying...

    Edited...!!
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    Don't cross post!

    viewtopic.php?f=40012&t=12874141
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  • Tom BB
    Tom BB Posts: 1,001
    Back to commuting please you tedious troll
  • disgruntledgoat
    disgruntledgoat Posts: 8,957
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Don't cross post!

    viewtopic.php?f=40012&t=12874141

    The holy sanctitiy of the internet must be preserved!
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    disgruntledgoat wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Don't cross post!

    viewtopic.php?f=40012&t=12874141

    The holy sanctitiy of the internet must be preserved!

    Quite.

    Thems the rules.
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  • raymondo60
    raymondo60 Posts: 735
    With politeness someone did challenge (the great) DDD to stick the post in Pro Race as well though - until I see the evidence I presume him innocent.....
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  • alihisgreat
    alihisgreat Posts: 3,872
    DonDaddyD wrote:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cycling/19365234

    I'm beginning to feel sorry for Lance Armstrong and this ridiculous witch hunt. Innocent until proven guilty, and to prove someone guilty you need the evidence. Where is the pee filled cup that proves without any measure of reasonable doubt that he doped!

    Sure it is likely he did, it's probably likely - as i have always said - that he took extra doses of EPO under the guise of his cancer treatments.

    In any case the none of the above matters, the fact remains that unless there is hard evidence - in the form of a sample - any number of people can say he doped or have claimed to have seen him dope, if you cannot prove it then he didn't.

    #LeaveLanceAlone


    This is exactly why Lance decided to not contest the charges.. so people like you can continue to protest his innocence as there wasn't a 'trial'
  • andy_wrx
    andy_wrx Posts: 3,396
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  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    If people still want to believe in him, then they can go ahead as far as I'm concerned. Billions of people still believe in God, which I find ludicrous, but I don't spend my day calling them idiots.
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    RichN95 wrote:
    If people still want to believe in him, then they can go ahead as far as I'm concerned. Billions of people still believe in God, which I find ludicrous, but I don't spend my day calling them idiots.

    They're not the same and you know it.
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  • furrag
    furrag Posts: 481
    Tom BB wrote:
    Back to commuting please you tedious troll
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    You're an .... if you think that.

    Seriously.

    :lol:
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,695
    Becoming a father did nt make you any more intelligent then....
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  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    RichN95 wrote:
    If people still want to believe in him, then they can go ahead as far as I'm concerned. Billions of people still believe in God, which I find ludicrous, but I don't spend my day calling them idiots.

    They're not the same and you know it.
    They seem the same to me. Both are beliefs flying in the face of common sense.

    If people want to believe something but generally keep it to themselves, then let them get on with it.
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  • mfin
    mfin Posts: 6,729
    This thread was started either as/because of:

    1. A trolling attempt.
    2. Someone can't/is unwilling to read much more than Lance's statements and viewpoints, certainly not enough to educate themselves properly on the topic.
    3. Being thick.
  • JamesB5446
    JamesB5446 Posts: 471
    RichN95 wrote:
    If people still want to believe in him, then they can go ahead as far as I'm concerned. Billions of people still believe in God, which I find ludicrous, but I don't spend my day calling them idiots.
    I do.
  • Noclue
    Noclue Posts: 503
    Despite his PR press release he (LA) has in effect pleaded "No contest" which means he's been caught bang to rights. Bring on the ban.
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  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,695
    mfin wrote:
    This thread was started as A trolling attempt.

    FTFY

    Never come across DDD then..?
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  • DonDaddyD
    DonDaddyD Posts: 12,689
    Where is the positive sample that proves he doped?

    You get found guilty on the basis of evidence not conjecture.

    I do not believe Contador willfully doped, he was suspended from professional racing because he had a banned substance in his system, not enough to enhance performance but banned nonetheless.

    If Lance had produce a positive sample - that wasn't exempt due to his cancer treatments - then why has it taken this long for any 'authority' to reveal/produce it?
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  • oneof1982
    oneof1982 Posts: 703
    DonDaddyD wrote:
    Where is the positive sample that proves he doped?

    You get found guilty on the basis of evidence not conjecture.

    I do not believe Contador willfully doped, he was suspended from professional racing because he had a banned substance in his system, not enough to enhance performance but banned nonetheless.

    If Lance had produce a positive sample - that wasn't exempt due to his cancer treatments - then why has it taken this long for any 'authority' to reveal/produce it?

    Quite sweet really.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    DonDaddyD wrote:
    Where is the positive sample that proves he doped?

    You get found guilty on the basis of evidence not conjecture.

    I do not believe Contador willfully doped, he was suspended from professional racing because he had a banned substance in his system, not enough to enhance performance but banned nonetheless.

    If Lance had produce a positive sample - that wasn't exempt due to his cancer treatments - then why has it taken this long for any 'authority' to reveal/produce it?

    Why are you so hung up on the tests?

    We know from other athletes the tests don't prove anything.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1USv6QL-Dc

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntsZcWhN ... detailpage

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PyI6Qytesas

    http://velonews.competitor.com/2012/05/ ... log_217702

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Millar

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Virenque

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christophe_Moreau

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laurent_Brochard
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  • Richrd2205
    Richrd2205 Posts: 1,267
    DonDaddyD wrote:
    Where is the positive sample that proves he doped?

    You get found guilty on the basis of evidence not conjecture.

    I do not believe Contador willfully doped, he was suspended from professional racing because he had a banned substance in his system, not enough to enhance performance but banned nonetheless.

    If Lance had produce a positive sample - that wasn't exempt due to his cancer treatments - then why has it taken this long for any 'authority' to reveal/produce it?
    & further to Rick's post there were positive tests. EPO, corticosteroid and possibly one at the tour de Suisse.
    You might want to check your understanding of evidence too...
  • bompington
    bompington Posts: 7,674
    DonDaddyD wrote:
    Where is the positive sample that proves he doped?
    In a lab in France, I believe
  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,434
    @ RIck

    You're investing too much time in this thread.
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  • DonDaddyD
    DonDaddyD Posts: 12,689
    Until someone holds up the pee-filled-cup with positive written across it I have no reason to say that he doped.

    If he did and there was evidence then why has he yet to be banned/suspended ala Contador?
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  • disgruntledgoat
    disgruntledgoat Posts: 8,957
    DonDaddyD wrote:
    Until someone holds up the pee-filled-cup with positive written across it I have no reason to say that he doped.

    If he did and there was evidence then why has he yet to be banned/suspended ala Contador?

    He is banned.

    For life.
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  • disgruntledgoat
    disgruntledgoat Posts: 8,957
    DonDaddyD wrote:
    Until someone holds up the pee-filled-cup with positive written across it I have no reason to say that he doped.

    If he did and there was evidence then why has he yet to be banned/suspended ala Contador?

    Have you seen Contador's pee filled cup?

    I take it Millar, Pantani and The Chicken are all innocent too?
    "In many ways, my story was that of a raging, Christ-like figure who hauled himself off the cross, looked up at the Romans with blood in his eyes and said 'My turn, sock cookers'"

    @gietvangent
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    DonDaddyD wrote:
    Until someone holds up the pee-filled-cup with positive written across it I have no reason to say that he doped.

    Presumably you think Marion Jones is innocent?
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    TailWindHome wrote:
    @ RIck

    You're investing too much time in this thread.

    I'm up for it.

    Bring it on. I'm feeling belligerent.
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  • Daz555
    Daz555 Posts: 3,976
    DonDaddyD wrote:
    Where is the positive sample that proves he doped?

    You get found guilty on the basis of evidence not conjecture.

    I do not believe Contador willfully doped, he was suspended from professional racing because he had a banned substance in his system, not enough to enhance performance but banned nonetheless.

    If Lance had produce a positive sample - that wasn't exempt due to his cancer treatments - then why has it taken this long for any 'authority' to reveal/produce it?
    Ahh, innocent unblemished ignorance is indeed bliss. :mrgreen:
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  • prawny
    prawny Posts: 5,440
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    DonDaddyD wrote:
    Until someone holds up the pee-filled-cup with positive written across it I have no reason to say that he doped.

    Presumably you think Marion Jones is innocent?

    It's also where the conspiracy part of the charges come in.
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