I don't believe Lance Armstrong doped and never will
DonDaddyD
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I'm beginning to feel sorry for Lance Armstrong and this ridiculous witch hunt. Innocent until proven guilty, and to prove someone guilty you need the evidence. Where is the pee filled cup that proves without any measure of reasonable doubt that he doped!
Sure it is likely he did, it's probably likely - as i have always said - that he took extra doses of EPO under the guise of his cancer treatments.
In any case the none of the above matters, the fact remains that unless there is hard evidence - in the form of a sample - any number of people can say he doped or have claimed to have seen him dope, if you cannot prove it then he didn't.
#LeaveLanceAlone
I'm beginning to feel sorry for Lance Armstrong and this ridiculous witch hunt. Innocent until proven guilty, and to prove someone guilty you need the evidence. Where is the pee filled cup that proves without any measure of reasonable doubt that he doped!
Sure it is likely he did, it's probably likely - as i have always said - that he took extra doses of EPO under the guise of his cancer treatments.
In any case the none of the above matters, the fact remains that unless there is hard evidence - in the form of a sample - any number of people can say he doped or have claimed to have seen him dope, if you cannot prove it then he didn't.
#LeaveLanceAlone
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Now if you were really brave, DDD, you would have posted this in Pro Race1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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"It's amazing isn't it? Even when effectively admitting that his guilt can be proved he still surreptitiously puts enough doubt into the non-cycling public's mind that this is all a big witch hunt and he can't continue to defend himself because of his family."
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All i have to say on the subject is research Gene Therapy.
Add Lance Armstrong and Livestrong to your research and come to your own conclusion.None of the above should be taken seriously, and certainly not personally.0 -
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my issue is he might have doped, he might not. however stripping him of his titles and giving them to someone else is pathetic as EVERYONE back then was a doper.BMC TM01 - FCN 0
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spasypaddy wrote:my issue is he might have doped, he might not. however stripping him of his titles and giving them to someone else is pathetic as EVERYONE back then was a doper.
It'll just say no winner. Pretty much everyone has been banned already.
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spasypaddy wrote:my issue is he might have doped, he might not. however stripping him of his titles and giving them to someone else is pathetic as EVERYONE back then was a doper.
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iPete wrote:The Lance PR machine has you by the ball.0
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Will be interesting to see who gets taken down with Bruyneel - presumably Lance's teammates who have testified, Contador, Schlecks? If they retrospectively reward the highest placed unblemished riders, Wiggins will potentially have a 2nd tour win on his palmares. I suspect they won't bother though, just scrub Lance's wins. Its a sad day for the sport, but in UK at least I think the good news from the Tour / Olympics is enough to keep the interest of the public / sponsors. It'll be the US cycling market that hurts the most from this.0
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spasypaddy wrote:my issue is he might have doped, he might not. however stripping him of his titles and giving them to someone else is pathetic as EVERYONE back then was a doper.
They should leave them blank but not everyone was a doper though.
Not Christopher Bassons at least whose career was destroyed by LA.x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x
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DonDaddyD wrote:http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cycling/19365234
I'm beginning to feel sorry for Lance Armstrong and this ridiculous witch hunt. Innocent until proven guilty, and to prove someone guilty you need the evidence. Where is the pee filled cup that proves without any measure of reasonable doubt that he doped!
Sure it is likely he did, it's probably likely - as i have always said - that he took extra doses of EPO under the guise of his cancer treatments.
In any case the none of the above matters, the fact remains that unless there is hard evidence - in the form of a sample - any number of people can say he doped or have claimed to have seen him dope, if you cannot prove it then he didn't.
#LeaveLanceAlone
You are such a sad troll.x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x
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BigMat wrote:Will be interesting to see who gets taken down with Bruyneel - presumably Lance's teammates who have testified, Contador, Schlecks? If they retrospectively reward the highest placed unblemished riders, Wiggins will potentially have a 2nd tour win on his palmares. I suspect they won't bother though, just scrub Lance's wins. Its a sad day for the sport, but in UK at least I think the good news from the Tour / Olympics is enough to keep the interest of the public / sponsors. It'll be the US cycling market that hurts the most from this.
I don't think we will know, that is why Lance has made the decision of throwing the towel so it doesn't have to break the omerta.
I am more interested about the systematic doping that happened during 2009 and 2010 than the old stuff. There is still organised doping in cycling...x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x
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DonDaddyD wrote:http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cycling/19365234
I'm beginning to feel sorry for Lance Armstrong and this ridiculous witch hunt. Innocent until proven guilty, and to prove someone guilty you need the evidence. Where is the pee filled cup that proves without any measure of reasonable doubt that he doped!
Sure it is likely he did, it's probably likely - as i have always said - that he took extra doses of EPO under the guise of his cancer treatments.
In any case the none of the above matters, the fact remains that unless there is hard evidence - in the form of a sample - any number of people can say he doped or have claimed to have seen him dope, if you cannot prove it then he didn't.
#LeaveLanceAlone
I don’t believe for one minute you really think that. Tygart has stated that all the evidence will eventually come out, so you’ll get it don’t worry.
A bad day for the sport, but good in the sense that a dirty cheating bully has finally had his comeuppance.
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gabriel959 wrote:BigMat wrote:Will be interesting to see who gets taken down with Bruyneel - presumably Lance's teammates who have testified, Contador, Schlecks? If they retrospectively reward the highest placed unblemished riders, Wiggins will potentially have a 2nd tour win on his palmares. I suspect they won't bother though, just scrub Lance's wins. Its a sad day for the sport, but in UK at least I think the good news from the Tour / Olympics is enough to keep the interest of the public / sponsors. It'll be the US cycling market that hurts the most from this.
I don't think we will know, that is why Lance has made the decision of throwing the towel so it doesn't have to break the omerta.
I am more interested about the systematic doping that happened during 2009 and 2010 than the old stuff. There is still organised doping in cycling...
Do you genuinely believe Sky have an organised doping programme, or do you just have a healthy cynicism about any team doing well? I found the recent Vaughters interview interesting, he was basically saying that there may still be doping (probably always will) but the testing, passport etc have made it impossible to get the same extreme advantage that used to be possible, to the extent that the accumulation of marginal gains can now mean that a clean rider (he quoted Hesjedal) can win even against dopers. I'd like to think he's right.0 -
Something about It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled.
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i read an article a few weeks back by dwayne chambers doctor who described how easy it is to dope and avoid testing. cant find it nowBMC TM01 - FCN 0
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BigMat wrote:gabriel959 wrote:BigMat wrote:Will be interesting to see who gets taken down with Bruyneel - presumably Lance's teammates who have testified, Contador, Schlecks? If they retrospectively reward the highest placed unblemished riders, Wiggins will potentially have a 2nd tour win on his palmares. I suspect they won't bother though, just scrub Lance's wins. Its a sad day for the sport, but in UK at least I think the good news from the Tour / Olympics is enough to keep the interest of the public / sponsors. It'll be the US cycling market that hurts the most from this.
I don't think we will know, that is why Lance has made the decision of throwing the towel so it doesn't have to break the omerta.
I am more interested about the systematic doping that happened during 2009 and 2010 than the old stuff. There is still organised doping in cycling...
Do you genuinely believe Sky have an organised doping programme, or do you just have a healthy cynicism about any team doing well? I found the recent Vaughters interview interesting, he was basically saying that there may still be doping (probably always will) but the testing, passport etc have made it impossible to get the same extreme advantage that used to be possible, to the extent that the accumulation of marginal gains can now mean that a clean rider (he quoted Hesjedal) can win even against dopers. I'd like to think he's right.
I wasn't speaking about Team Sky here? I was just speaking about his return in 2009 and 2010 when the passport was then present he came back with some decent results but with a network of organised doping (where Ferrari was still present) and other doctors and managed to fool the passport and everyone else once more.x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x
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spasypaddy wrote:i read an article a few weeks back by dwayne chambers doctor who described how easy it is to dope and avoid testing. cant find it now
I remember that one, read it when Ohuruogu was in trouble. The one with stuff about letting your mobile phone answerphone get full and stuff like that?0 -
Rick Chasey wrote:Something about It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled.
Or something.
"It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled. Mark Twain"x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x
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BigMat wrote:spasypaddy wrote:i read an article a few weeks back by dwayne chambers doctor who described how easy it is to dope and avoid testing. cant find it now
I remember that one, read it when Ohuruogu was in trouble. The one with stuff about letting your mobile phone answerphone get full and stuff like that?
Ohuruogu, the one who got away. Oh I forgot, apparently british athletes don't do doping!x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x
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BigMat wrote:spasypaddy wrote:i read an article a few weeks back by dwayne chambers doctor who described how easy it is to dope and avoid testing. cant find it now
I remember that one, read it when Ohuruogu was in trouble. The one with stuff about letting your mobile phone answerphone get full and stuff like that?
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The next stage in doping is gene theraphy and dna tweaking. BBC touched on it just before the 100m final at the Olympics. They said that a person has to have the right DNA sequence to have the right fast kind of twitch muscles.
If we see a non African-Caribbean in the 100m final at the next Olympics then we will know that I am right.
There it's been said.
And no, I don't think I'm being racist or predujice, there hasn't been a white guy (there have been those from mixed ethnic backgrounds) in a 100m final that I've seen in my lifetime.Food Chain number = 4
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gabriel959 wrote:BigMat wrote:gabriel959 wrote:BigMat wrote:Will be interesting to see who gets taken down with Bruyneel - presumably Lance's teammates who have testified, Contador, Schlecks? If they retrospectively reward the highest placed unblemished riders, Wiggins will potentially have a 2nd tour win on his palmares. I suspect they won't bother though, just scrub Lance's wins. Its a sad day for the sport, but in UK at least I think the good news from the Tour / Olympics is enough to keep the interest of the public / sponsors. It'll be the US cycling market that hurts the most from this.
I don't think we will know, that is why Lance has made the decision of throwing the towel so it doesn't have to break the omerta.
I am more interested about the systematic doping that happened during 2009 and 2010 than the old stuff. There is still organised doping in cycling...
Do you genuinely believe Sky have an organised doping programme, or do you just have a healthy cynicism about any team doing well? I found the recent Vaughters interview interesting, he was basically saying that there may still be doping (probably always will) but the testing, passport etc have made it impossible to get the same extreme advantage that used to be possible, to the extent that the accumulation of marginal gains can now mean that a clean rider (he quoted Hesjedal) can win even against dopers. I'd like to think he's right.
I wasn't speaking about Team Sky here? I was just speaking about his return in 2009 and 2010 when the passport was then present he came back with some decent results but with a network of organised doping (where Ferrari was still present) and other doctors and managed to fool the passport and everyone else once more.
I was picking up on your comment in bold really, and I remember you airing suspicions re Sky a while back. Just curious.0