Lance Armstrong gets life ban,loses 7 TDF,confesses he doped
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nathancom wrote:What position are you arguing, that it is ok to take drugs in sport and push them onto your entire team. Ok...no need to say any more.
And you think that only happened at Postal. Festina ring a bell just for starters?0 -
Yep there is plenty of doping about in lots of sports and you either punish them and try and limit the effects or you just allow sport to be nothing more than a circus of pill pushers and forget the stories of individuals striving to better themselves through hard work and competition against themselves and their peers. 1 Paula Radcliffe is worth 100 Lance Armstrongs.tuneskyline wrote:nathancom wrote:
Ahh ok, so you think it is fine to dope and that those who respond best to drugs/are willing to take the most risks with drugs should win the palmares and the spoils of victory. Fortunately not everyone is like that and they try and make it an exhibition and competition of human physical endurance not of the efficacy of drugs. At least you have made your perspective clear and it is understandable to be cynical in the face of the doping that has always been endemic. It is not sport though, whether it was Coppi on amphetamines or Armstrong on EPO and bags of blood.tuneskyline wrote:I find the hypocrisy of it all quite stunning. If you don't like dopers then don't watch pro sports Cycling included.
You don't know who takes what and don't pretend to be shocked when your favorite athlete is stupid enough to get caught.
http://road.cc/content/news/120689-acto ... r%E2%80%9D
For all I know that football match I watched or that athletics race I watched could be full of doped athletes.
Do I care. To be honest I cannot think of a sport that does not have doped athletes. If I cared as much as you then I would not be watching any sport. Its the way of the world.0 -
Oh goodie. We have Rayjoy back with his
s for the Tour. :roll: "Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0 -
That makes it so much better. Is that the playground defence of 'he was doing it too'tuneskyline wrote:nathancom wrote:What position are you arguing, that it is ok to take drugs in sport and push them onto your entire team. Ok...no need to say any more.
And you think that only happened at Postal. Festina ring a bell just for starters?0 -
Good Gawd, Jim Ochowicz is back playing the same old tune.tuneskyline wrote:I guess you forgot that Armstrong won the world championship in 93. He was always a talented athlete.
The bum was a USA Triathlete that came to Europe and got mediocre success in the Pro Ranks.
As I said that in 1994 he was complaining that nobody recognised him but we all knew the name and the sound of his voice.
As a newbie to this forum I suggest you start at the beginning of this thread and learn something through all the arguments instead of wading in more of your rubbish.
You cannot answer my question so I take it you are young and still impressionable.Organiser, National Championship 50 mile Time Trial 19720 -
coriordan wrote:
I think it's almost like you were the one who worshipped him as a hero and looking for others who were equally duped, hence your obsession with the fact
If you're directing that at me, well, let me clarify a few things. I've never visited his website. Never got his autograph. Never cared if he won or lost a race. Never cheered for him. Never wore a yellow wristband. Never joined his fan club(if there is one). Never bought a book about him or by him. Never owned a picture of him. Didn't watch him on Oprah. I don't follow all his trials and tribulations(I read the condensed versions on bikeradar with a bit of interest). Don't follow him on ANY social media(well, bikeradar). He's not, and never has been, a hero of mine(my heros are friends, family, and a kid who saved my life).
So, I'm not really following everyone calling me "his biggest fan". You really are, what you could call, dead wrong on that bit of speculation.
My "obsession", if you will, is with the people who, for some reason, just can't seem to let it go. I would love to understand the reasoning behind all the hate, name calling, etc., and why it persists so long after the fact.0 -
deejay wrote:
Good Gawd, Jim Ochowicz is back playing the same old tune.tuneskyline wrote:I guess you forgot that Armstrong won the world championship in 93. He was always a talented athlete.
The bum was a USA Triathlete that came to Europe and got mediocre success in the Pro Ranks.
As I said that in 1994 he was complaining that nobody recognised him but we all knew the name and the sound of his voice.
As a newbie to this forum I suggest you start at the beginning of this thread and learn something through all the arguments instead of wading in more of your rubbish.
You cannot answer my question so I take it you are young and still impressionable.
Being on for just a few months does not mean anything except that I have been on here for a few months.
I am not going to spend my time looking at old threads going round in circles, Jesus wish I never got into this one.
Just one thing ,,,when does becoming WC rank as mediocre success? :roll:
I cannot defend Armstrong's doping but I can not defend anyone else either. Cycling created this problem not any one individual. God bless0 -
Sorry I missed that but it did sound like the early Jim Ochowicz.Blazing Saddles wrote:Oh goodie. We have Rayjoy back with hiss for the Tour. :roll:
You know the Boards better than I and I did get sucked in with the ring a ring a roundabout.
I thought these Fan Bois had all died and this one had just been born.Organiser, National Championship 50 mile Time Trial 19720 -
deejay wrote:I thought these Fan Bois had all died and this one had just been born.
Once again I think you may be way off the mark with this "fan bois" thing. I think you need to look a little deeper, instead of just glossing over the surface, as to why some people might seem, to you, to be defending LA.
You seem to hate him and that's just fine. Hope that hate stays with you for a long time. Be aware though that there are other reasons people pump the guy up a bit and maybe even a few who do it just to p*ss you off. Hopefully you're a good sport and can take it. After all, you sure can dish it out. And sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander. :?0 -
dennisn wrote:deejay wrote:I thought these Fan Bois had all died and this one had just been born.
Once again I think you may be way off the mark with this "fan bois" thing. I think you need to look a little deeper, instead of just glossing over the surface, as to why some people might seem, to you, to be defending LA.
You seem to hate him and that's just fine. Hope that hate stays with you for a long time. Be aware though that there are other reasons people pump the guy up a bit and maybe even a few who do it just to p*ss you off. Hopefully you're a good sport and can take it. After all, you sure can dish it out. And sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander. :?
Agree. Some people can not comprehend past black and white. It's a kind of ignorance and lack of any real life experience. They have to fit you in their little box because nothing else can compute in their tiny brains.
I will now sit back have a drink and eat some popcorn and wait for clichéd response
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I never liked Armstrong, because he is a tw@t, everything else he did is a symptom of that.0
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just viewed (another) Armstrong doco on Australian ABC:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-07-02/n ... 07/5566220
The real hero of this entire sorry saga? Betsy Andreu - consistently and uncompromisingly ethically courageous when all else, including (allegedly) 'hard-man' riders, were submitting to Armstrong's bullying.0 -
Wily-Quixote wrote:The real hero of this entire sorry saga? Betsy Andreu - consistently and uncompromisingly ethically courageous when all else, including (allegedly) 'hard-man' riders, were submitting to Armstrong's bullying.
So no one, not a single rider, was unafraid of this bully? That doesn't make any sense at all to me. What was he threatening to do to ALL of them? Beat them up? Twist their arms till they screamed uncle? Look at them ALL with his evil eye? Threatened to put a curse on them? Maybe the word "bully" has a different meaning over there? Over here a "bully" is simply someone who is imposing enough to push people around until someone says no and beats his *ss real bad, or kills him, and ends his story. But back to LA. So he bullied people for 7 years or so and no one, no one, took a swing at him? C'mon, get real. Also if he bullied everyone why didn't at least one person say "f*ck this *sshole" and run him and his bike off the edge of a cliff? Easy enough to do. What you're saying is that ALL your heros are girly men? You're saying that this guy ran a very sophisticated drug operation, found time to train, and win, races, found the time to intimidate everyone, found the time to set all this up so that it worked perfectly for 7 years or more, found time to raise a family, found time to start a charity, and on it goes. No one can do all that. :roll:0 -
dennisn wrote:Wily-Quixote wrote:The real hero of this entire sorry saga? Betsy Andreu - consistently and uncompromisingly ethically courageous when all else, including (allegedly) 'hard-man' riders, were submitting to Armstrong's bullying.
So no one, not a single rider, was unafraid of this bully? That doesn't make any sense at all to me. What was he threatening to do to ALL of them? Beat them up? Twist their arms till they screamed uncle? Look at them ALL with his evil eye? Threatened to put a curse on them? Maybe the word "bully" has a different meaning over there? Over here a "bully" is simply someone who is imposing enough to push people around until someone says no and beats his *ss real bad, or kills him, and ends his story. But back to LA. So he bullied people for 7 years or so and no one, no one, took a swing at him? C'mon, get real. Also if he bullied everyone why didn't at least one person say "f*ck this *sshole" and run him and his bike off the edge of a cliff? Easy enough to do. What you're saying is that ALL your heros are girly men? You're saying that this guy ran a very sophisticated drug operation, found time to train, and win, races, found the time to intimidate everyone, found the time to set all this up so that it worked perfectly for 7 years or more, found time to raise a family, found time to start a charity, and on it goes. No one can do all that. :roll:
This might answer some of your questions:
http://cyclinginvestigation.usada.org/
if you can't be bothered reading the evidence, then have a look at what Armstrong said in his interview with Oprah Winfrey:
'in one exchange in which Winfrey asked him if he was a bully. “Yeah—yeah, I was a bully,” he replied.'
http://www.bicycling.com/news/pro-cycling/lance-speaks
Case closed.0 -
Wily-Quixote wrote:Betsy Andreu - consistently and uncompromisingly ethically courageous when all else, including (allegedly) 'hard-man' riders, were submitting to Armstrong's bullying.
Just to remind you that you said "...when all else...were submitting....". I take this to mean you're claiming he bullied everyone? In any case you're argument that he was / is a bully makes you sound like you're 10 years old. Sort of a "I'm gonna tell my mom" thing. :?0 -
look at Bassons he was hounded out of the sport for questioning it.
When your livelihood is on the line that can affect your judgement.
Think "The Armstrong Lie" is on Channel 4 in the UK on Monday.0 -
Armstrong is the only rider with Body Guards/Minders needed to bully his way through everyone. :!:dennisn wrote:I take this to mean you're claiming he bullied everyone? In any case you're argument that he was / is a bully makes you sound like you're 10 years old. Sort of a "I'm gonna tell my mom" thing. :?Organiser, National Championship 50 mile Time Trial 19720 -
About the only thing more boring than LA the man is continued discussion of him and his times. It's done. It's finished. I dislike the expression, but it really is time to "move on".d.j.
"Cancel my subscription to the resurrection."0 -
There's money to be made from it, and everyone wants their pound of flesh.meagain wrote:About the only thing more boring than LA the man is continued discussion of him and his times. It's done. It's finished. I dislike the expression, but it really is time to "move on".
I waiting for a book from the little boy with the yellow bag who caused him to crash in 2003.Twitter: @RichN950 -
please enough.
Let this thread die.0 -
dennisn wrote:Wily-Quixote wrote:Betsy Andreu - consistently and uncompromisingly ethically courageous when all else, including (allegedly) 'hard-man' riders, were submitting to Armstrong's bullying.
Just to remind you that you said "...when all else...were submitting....". I take this to mean you're claiming he bullied everyone? In any case you're argument that he was / is a bully makes you sound like you're 10 years old. Sort of a "I'm gonna tell my mom" thing. :?
I'm presuming you're just being contrary rather than illiterate. There is a workplace definition of bullying that encompasses behaviour from adults towards other adults, there's a dictionary online, look it up if you don't believe me.
When I said 'when all else... Were submitting' I was referring to 'all the people he bullied, dominated or acted aggressively towards'. That was implied in the statement 'all else'. If you think that I meant 'everyone he came into contact with' or 'everyone on the planet' than you have to learn to take written communication less literally. Are you autistic? Or American?0 -
Wily-Quixote wrote:dennisn wrote:Wily-Quixote wrote:Betsy Andreu - consistently and uncompromisingly ethically courageous when all else, including (allegedly) 'hard-man' riders, were submitting to Armstrong's bullying.
Just to remind you that you said "...when all else...were submitting....". I take this to mean you're claiming he bullied everyone? In any case your argument that he was / is a bully makes you sound like you're 10 years old. Sort of a "I'm gonna tell my mom" thing. :?
I'm presuming you're just being contrary rather than illiterate.
Absolutely being contrary. You say what you believe about a person or subject and I say what I believe. I simply don't believe all that you say.0 -
For those in the UK worth recording BBC4 at 9pm tonight and tomorrow on Channel 4 at 9 PM.+++++++++++++++++++++
we are the proud, the few, Descendents.
Panama - finally putting a nail in the economic theory of the trickle down effect.0 -
Just started 9pm BBC40
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symo wrote:For those in the UK worth recording BBC4 at 9pm tonight and tomorrow on Channel 4 at 9 PM.
Don't suppose that it will tell us anything that we don't already know....that he was a cheating piece of shite."Arran, you are like the Tony Benn of smut. You have never diluted your depravity and always stand by your beliefs. You have my respect sir and your wife my pity"
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Nothing new but still fairly interesting. Will watch the Armstrong lie tomorrow as well0
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He's such a knob. The worst kind of person.0
