Lance Armstrong gets life ban,loses 7 TDF,confesses he doped
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Rick Chasey wrote:
It's a fair cop, guv. I'll get my cowt.Warning No formatter is installed for the format0 -
Are you kidding? This is straight out of Hamilton's book, the second to last chapter.dennisn wrote:iainf72 wrote:Birotte called it off for political reasons. There was little appetite to go after Armstrong in an election year so a few people were leaned on to make it go away.
Bold statement. I'm guessing that this is strictly YOUR idea and what YOU think happened? Do you have any, repeat any evidence of any kind that this is what happened? What you've said amounts to jury tampering and that's a very big deal over here. So once again, do you have ANY evidence at all. You talk as if you do but I have my doubts. I know you like to come on like you know all there is to know about cycling but about something like this you're way out of your league.
How else do you think anyone here has opinions? They read them and regurgitate.When a cyclist has a disagreement with a car; it's not who's right, it's who's left.0 -
FransJacques wrote:Are you kidding? This is straight out of Hamilton's book, the second to last chapter.
How else do you think anyone here has opinions? They read them and regurgitate.
And where does Hamilton get his opinions from? He has no inside track as far as Federal Investigators go.
The most likely scenario, IMO, is that Novitsky spent 8 years investigating Barry Bonds just for him to get a slap on the wrist to general public apathy which put pressure on future investigations, especially one that took place largely outside US jurisdiction. He was thus given a deadline to make a case and failed.Twitter: @RichN950 -
RichN95 wrote:FransJacques wrote:Are you kidding? This is straight out of Hamilton's book, the second to last chapter.
How else do you think anyone here has opinions? They read them and regurgitate.
And where does Hamilton get his opinions from? He has no inside track as far as Federal Investigators go.
The most likely scenario, IMO, is that Novitsky spent 8 years investigating Barry Bonds just for him to get a slap on the wrist to general public apathy which put pressure on future investigations, especially one that took place largely outside US jurisdiction. He was thus given a deadline to make a case and failed.
Seems like a resonable assumption. There are limits to everything and as I recall the LA Grand Jury had plenty of time to investigate, call witnesses, and decide if things looked promising or not. As far as GJ's go, here in this country, they don't need as much evidence to reccomend taking things to trial as actual criminal case juries need to convict. So, for my money, it would seem that they didn't hear much that was very convincing.0 -
RichN95 wrote:FransJacques wrote:Are you kidding? This is straight out of Hamilton's book, the second to last chapter.
How else do you think anyone here has opinions? They read them and regurgitate.
And where does Hamilton get his opinions from? He has no inside track as far as Federal Investigators go.
The most likely scenario, IMO, is that Novitsky spent 8 years investigating Barry Bonds just for him to get a slap on the wrist to general public apathy which put pressure on future investigations, especially one that took place largely outside US jurisdiction. He was thus given a deadline to make a case and failed.
A balanced assessment Rich! I think the sums of money involved in trying to get Barry Bonds should be taken into account rather than just LA's political connections. Furthermore, you would all not be nice to someone who has doped with you and smiled on camera for years and praised you then struck plea bargains that make them look the victim. The idea, Bikeradarers, that someone should be matey and polite to people who have done that is quite ridiculous. Anyway, LA is history. The Qui Tam cases are rarely fought out in court and one wonders if USPS will be wanting to handle Landis 30% of 30 millions USD of sponsorship money. I think not. I will not be surprised if DoJ let this case slide
And Tommy D promoting book during ban...give me strength!! :roll:0 -
RichN95 wrote:FransJacques wrote:Are you kidding? This is straight out of Hamilton's book, the second to last chapter.
How else do you think anyone here has opinions? They read them and regurgitate.
And where does Hamilton get his opinions from? He has no inside track as far as Federal Investigators go.
The most likely scenario, IMO, is that Novitsky spent 8 years investigating Barry Bonds just for him to get a slap on the wrist to general public apathy which put pressure on future investigations, especially one that took place largely outside US jurisdiction. He was thus given a deadline to make a case and failed.
The LA case didn't fail, there were comments that Novitsky was still working on the case 30 minutes before it was shut down by Birrotte, which hardly sounds like a case that came to it's natural conclusion.
Also why did Birrotte stop the case rather than Novitsky and the others investigating it say they had finished and that there was no case for LA and others to answer ?0 -
Can we hope that Lancy's aspirations to be Governor of Texas is finished.Dave_1 wrote:I think the sums of money involved in trying to get Barry Bonds should be taken into account rather than just LA's political connections. Anyway, LA is history.
I wouldn't like to bet that he is history in the USA.Organiser, National Championship 50 mile Time Trial 19720 -
sherer wrote:RichN95 wrote:FransJacques wrote:Are you kidding? This is straight out of Hamilton's book, the second to last chapter.
How else do you think anyone here has opinions? They read them and regurgitate.
And where does Hamilton get his opinions from? He has no inside track as far as Federal Investigators go.
The most likely scenario, IMO, is that Novitsky spent 8 years investigating Barry Bonds just for him to get a slap on the wrist to general public apathy which put pressure on future investigations, especially one that took place largely outside US jurisdiction. He was thus given a deadline to make a case and failed.
The LA case didn't fail, there were comments that Novitsky was still working on the case 30 minutes before it was shut down by Birrotte, which hardly sounds like a case that came to it's natural conclusion.
Also why did Birrotte stop the case rather than Novitsky and the others investigating it say they had finished and that there was no case for LA and others to answer ?
Maybe you're making more of this case than there was. It sure seems that way. A year or so was spent looking into this matter and it would appear that "The Great Novitsky"(if you will) couldn't come up with the goods. I think that's a fair amount of time and money invested to have, at least, come up with something, anything. Also, to you, this is James Bond vs Goldfinger / Dr. No, in which you, and a few others, see this as the end of days. Nothing in all this is about world domination by evil genius. It's about a bunch of riders who cheated to try and win races. You make it sound worse than it is because you let yourself be fooled and that hurts. Don't take it so hard. You're only human and besides, LA and a whole bunch of others have gone down. If all of this is not enough for you then by all means either rant on or seek help. The latter being a better choice.0 -
troll, fol-de-rol, troll0
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Be kind, he believed in his hero and now it has been taken away. YOU may not have cared but he DID and now he has got to come to TERMS with it. You have got to let go or it will eat you up and you will wake up one day and realise it was all for nothing, and you have nothing left but tainted memories. GIVE it up or you are going to need some serious help to get over the pain. Anyway, I have your back Lance. Ever want a beer just head East to a friendly doorstep in Ohio and we can go shoot some innocent animals in the name of sport and the US of A0
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Too many on here shout Troll far to easily for my taste ... It's like the internet version of racism ... Most things said aren't actually racist and most posts aren't trolling ... It's just bandwagon jumping for mock affront ...
Dennis seems to be adding a voice of reason to the zealots on here ... I doubt he even cares about LA ... Likely just doesn't like the attitude of the majority of johnny come lately posters on here ...
You lot treat this like WWF wrestling ... Shouting at the pantomime villain (from behind a keyboard) rather than taking your angst out on the missus or your boss ...
Not one of you know LA, or any of the riders supposedly affected by this crime ... So stop pretending it has anything to do with you and sort yourself out first ...0 -
Crankbrother wrote:Too many on here shout Troll far to easily for my taste ... It's like the internet version of racism ... Most things said aren't actually racist and most posts aren't trolling ... It's just bandwagon jumping for mock affront ...
Dennis seems to be adding a voice of reason to the zealots on here ... I doubt he even cares about LA ... Likely just doesn't like the attitude of the majority of johnny come lately posters on here ...
You lot treat this like WWF wrestling ... Shouting at the pantomime villain (from behind a keyboard) rather than taking your angst out on the missus or your boss ...
Not one of you know LA, or any of the riders supposedly affected by this crime ... So stop pretending it has anything to do with you and sort yourself out first ...
Oh give over. dennis's repeated patronisation about it being others taking things to heart...and despite it being rebutted time and time again he persists in saying the same thing just to get a reaction.
So no, sorry, its not about me or anyone else sorting OURSELVES out. But its certainly about dennis stopping playing his broken record and changing the tune. He just cuts and pastes his same posts over and over again.0 -
When I look back on all the LA posts on this forum I find a lot of name calling. More than a few people seem genuinely p*ssed off at Lance because he ruined "our sport".
Now I've been out there riding and going to races for quite some time now but have never felt any different about riding and racing since LA hit the scene(and then departed). He, and all the rest haven't ruined anything for me. Riding is still something I look forward to and racing continues to be a viable sport. It's almost as if some people feel ashamed to ride because of all this and are therefore p*ssed off at various cycling related people. I'm not ashamed. I'm not p*ssed. I didn't do anything wrong. Or are these people p*ssed off because they were left out of all the cheating and doping? I can see why people follow the story but can't quite wrap my mind around why there seems to be all this anger and desire for revenge. How some athletes doping in a sport affected some fan personally is beyond me.0 -
Richmond Racer wrote:Crankbrother wrote:Too many on here shout Troll far to easily for my taste ... It's like the internet version of racism ... Most things said aren't actually racist and most posts aren't trolling ... It's just bandwagon jumping for mock affront ...
Dennis seems to be adding a voice of reason to the zealots on here ... I doubt he even cares about LA ... Likely just doesn't like the attitude of the majority of johnny come lately posters on here ...
You lot treat this like WWF wrestling ... Shouting at the pantomime villain (from behind a keyboard) rather than taking your angst out on the missus or your boss ...
Not one of you know LA, or any of the riders supposedly affected by this crime ... So stop pretending it has anything to do with you and sort yourself out first ...
But its certainly about dennis stopping playing his broken record and changing the tune. He just cuts and pastes his same posts over and over again.
Well, I do try to use different words on occasion but you may be right about over and over. However, as far as over and over goes I do believe that everyone does that. It's what you believe and, right or wrong, most people feel the need to say it(over and over).0 -
here's a link that questions why the case was shut down
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/concern ... -us-postal0 -
sherer wrote:here's a link that questions why the case was shut down
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/concern ... -us-postal
FWIW, simply seeing the letters NPR(National Public Radio) pretty much explains it all. The whole thing is kind of a relic of the 60's and 70's hippie era. To NPR the Democrats are the voice of truth and compassion, while the Republicans are, of course, the voice of evil and doom. Their main problem, if it is a problem, is that they know who butters their bread, and it's the Democrats. Most republicans want to shut down NPR because they see it as wasteful spending of taxpayers money. Having said that, it should be understood that they are urged(for lack of a better word) to tote the party line.
Why this would have anything to do with LA and a Grand Jury closing down, and their speculating as to why, can somehow, most likely be traced to politicians pushing(urging) them to say something. Apparently the Democrats point of view was that it shouldn't have been stopped. Or maybe nothing else newsworthy happened that day.
In the end I'm thinking two years should be enough to come up with something. Of course I'm thinking that to save face anyone working on the investigation would say "we almost had him". As for the people working on the case getting a half hours notice, I can recall working on jobs that got cancelled or postponed and getting no notice except "hey, this job is over".0 -
NPR is about the only worthwhile thing in America...apart from the Lingerie Football League.0
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nathancom wrote:NPR is about the only worthwhile thing in America...apart from the Lingerie Football League.
I don't have any problem with NPR either. It's just that people should understand that their line is the party line.
I'm guessing Lance is a Republican. Either that or whomever was running that case was also a Republican. Normally, on NPR it's ALL Democrats good, all Republicans bad.
Bad news though. I'm not getting the Lingerie Football League anymore because my wife cancelled all the extra cost, premium TV channels.0 -
RichN95 wrote:Here's a question. If Armstrong (or an associate) truely did have the clout to shut down a criminal federal investigation, why did he wait for a year and a half to do it? Wouldn't it have been easier to do before any evidence had been gathered?
Even the corrupt and fraudulent have to follow certain channels and protocol (before corrupting and defrauding them).
It must be so frustrating for them.0 -
dennisn wrote:When I look back on all the LA posts on this forum I find a lot of name calling. More than a few people seem genuinely p*ssed off at Lance because he ruined "our sport".
Now I've been out there riding and going to races for quite some time now but have never felt any different about riding and racing since LA hit the scene(and then departed). He, and all the rest haven't ruined anything for me. Riding is still something I look forward to and racing continues to be a viable sport. It's almost as if some people feel ashamed to ride because of all this and are therefore p*ssed off at various cycling related people. I'm not ashamed. I'm not p*ssed. I didn't do anything wrong. Or are these people p*ssed off because they were left out of all the cheating and doping? I can see why people follow the story but can't quite wrap my mind around why there seems to be all this anger and desire for revenge. How some athletes doping in a sport affected some fan personally is beyond me.
Trouble is dennis we all remember when you cared very much because we READ YOUR POSTS with our OWN EYES. No matter how much you try and convince us otherwise...We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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dennisn wrote:
I don't have any problem with NPR either. It's just that people should understand that their line is the party line.
I'm guessing Lance is a Republican. Either that or whomever was running that case was also a Republican. Normally, on NPR it's ALL Democrats good, all Republicans bad.
Oh you GUESS? That's unlike you Den. For those of us who read interviews with him, he's admitted he has more of a left leaning. And that whole not believing in god thing won't fly with the GOP.
America is a great place. Much to admire.Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.0 -
I liked D Pate of Sky tweeting that real ambassadors don't do
blood transfusions and tell 30% of the truth..tommy plea bargainer called
himself an ambassador in that cyc news interview yesterday. Darryl Impey retweeted pate0 -
Dave_1 wrote:I liked D Pate of Sky tweeting that real ambassadors don't do
blood transfusions and tell 30% of the truth..tommy plea bargainer called
himself an ambassador in that cyc news interview yesterday. Darryl Impey retweeted pate
Yeah, saw that. So did Adam Myerson who had a few things to say himself on Twitter after Leipheimer's interview the other day.
The US pros in particular are scathing of these confessors, in particular Danielson and Leipheimer - ones I follow feel that they were both doping long before the start dates they've admitted to in their confessions0 -
Richmond Racer wrote:Dave_1 wrote:I liked D Pate of Sky tweeting that real ambassadors don't do
blood transfusions and tell 30% of the truth..tommy plea bargainer called
himself an ambassador in that cyc news interview yesterday. Darryl Impey retweeted pate
Yeah, saw that. So did Adam Myerson who had a few things to say himself on Twitter after Leipheimer's interview the other day.
The US pros in particular are scathing of these confessors, in particular Danielson and Leipheimer - ones I follow feel that they were both doping long before the start dates they've admitted to in their confessions
I just looked up Myerson. On 1 hand the plea bargainers did good in taking La out of sport forever but they are shamless0 -
iainf72 wrote:dennisn wrote:
I don't have any problem with NPR either. It's just that people should understand that their line is the party line.
I'm guessing Lance is a Republican. Either that or whomever was running that case was also a Republican. Normally, on NPR it's ALL Democrats good, all Republicans bad.
Oh you GUESS? That's unlike you Den. For those of us who read interviews with him, he's admitted he has more of a left leaning. And that whole not believing in god thing won't fly with the GOP.
America is a great place. Much to admire.
OK, so he's not a Republican??? It was only a guess. How would I know his political leanings? It's not like I follow his every move, like some people. I've never visited his website. Never wore a yellow band. Never contributed to his charity. Never read any of his books. Don't follow him on twitter. Don't know now many kids he has. Never been invited to his house in Aspen, although this winter looks like a good one there and I hope he does call. Don't belong to his fan club(if he has one).
Hmmmm, just had a thought. It would seem that the people who have been calling me an LA fanboy all this time are, in fact, the real fanboys themselves. People like yourself, who follow his every move, read his every word, have read all his books, tune in to his web page, are all over him on twitter, claim to know how he feels about everything. Now THAT is what a fanboy is all about.0 -
Whats Lance been up to these days? Has he be seen in public?Mañana0
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pb21 wrote:Whats Lance been up to these days? Has he be seen in public?
Apparently splits his time closeted away chez-Lance (Austin branch) and chez-Lance (Hawaii branch)0
