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  • jamie_smoove
    jamie_smoove Posts: 24
    Hello All,

    Hiving read the majority of this thread and had a good look at the website, Ive taken the plunge and signed up to trainer road.

    I have a quick question for those that follow the plans - how do you factor in your outdoor rides? I only tend to ride the rollers/turbo mid week prefering to get the miles in on the weekend.

    Just wondering if this would fit in with TR's plans?

    Cheers

    Jamie
    http://jbracedominate.blogspot.com/
    My Venture into Racing in 2011
  • Mike39496
    Mike39496 Posts: 414
    jamie_smoove wrote:
    Hello All,

    Hiving read the majority of this thread and had a good look at the website, Ive taken the plunge and signed up to trainer road.

    I have a quick question for those that follow the plans - how do you factor in your outdoor rides? I only tend to ride the rollers/turbo mid week prefering to get the miles in on the weekend.

    Just wondering if this would fit in with TR's plans?

    Cheers

    Jamie

    If you have a look at the plans, usually the weekend ride has details for it "done outside" so you don't have to spend the weekend locked away in the garage! e.g On the base 1 program if you hover over the weekend rides look at the second paragraph: http://www.trainerroad.com/cycling/plans/91#501

    Hopefully this answers your question

    Mike
  • Simmotino
    Simmotino Posts: 295
    Well, I'm confused :(

    I've been off TR for a couple of weeks due to travelling on business etc., so got back in the saddle today to finish Base II.

    Opened TrainerRoad and downloaded the latest version (1.4.0) and went through the usual pre-ride rituals. I was just about to get on the bike when I noticed it had changed my power source to a PowerTap. I've never had one so not sure where this came from, so changed it back to JetFluid Pro.

    I think they may have changed the profile however (the name has changed slightly as well) as I'm about 60W down on everything.

    The set up is the same, and I can still turn the same cadence with the same gear and achieve the same speed, but I can't get anywhere near my previously measured FTP. Tyre pressure is the same and, although I've been off the bike for two weeks, my legs haven't lost THAT much I'm sure, particularly as the usual gearings I use to hit certain powers are still turning over without problem.

    Is it possible they've tweaked the power curve for the JFP to such an extent? I was hoping to finish off Base II this week but, having just tried Keeler Needle and failed in the most spectacular fashion, I think I'm going to have to start from scratch with a new 20 minute test :(

    Edit: Hmm, looks like there may be two profiles for the JetFluid Pro now and I think I may have picked the wrong one! Will have to run it again tomorrow and see if there is any difference.
  • Wrath Rob
    Wrath Rob Posts: 2,918
    Back on the trainer last night, I'm following the plans from Hunter Allan's book so they don't map to the existing TR ones. Just an excuse to create my own! Yesterday's snappily titled "TEMP-W3" was a toughie, 45 mins at tempo followed by 3*2min "TT" efforts, so 120-150% FTP with 3 min recovery between them. Those last efforts were killers, though more so the first one. My heart rate was nearing LTHR as I rolled into the interval, possibly the longest 2 minutes I've spent on a bike. The other 2 were less bad as I started with a much lower HR and so could get to the end.

    Its all working though, new PBs for 60 mins and 2 mins on TR.
    FCN3: Titanium Qoroz.
  • jgsi
    jgsi Posts: 5,062
    Simmotino wrote:
    Well, I'm confused :(

    I've been off TR for a couple of weeks due to travelling on business etc., so got back in the saddle today to finish Base II.

    Opened TrainerRoad and downloaded the latest version (1.4.0) and went through the usual pre-ride rituals. I was just about to get on the bike when I noticed it had changed my power source to a PowerTap. I've never had one so not sure where this came from, so changed it back to JetFluid Pro.

    I think they may have changed the profile however (the name has changed slightly as well) as I'm about 60W down on everything.

    The set up is the same, and I can still turn the same cadence with the same gear and achieve the same speed, but I can't get anywhere near my previously measured FTP. Tyre pressure is the same and, although I've been off the bike for two weeks, my legs haven't lost THAT much I'm sure, particularly as the usual gearings I use to hit certain powers are still turning over without problem.

    Is it possible they've tweaked the power curve for the JFP to such an extent? I was hoping to finish off Base II this week but, having just tried Keeler Needle and failed in the most spectacular fashion, I think I'm going to have to start from scratch with a new 20 minute test :(

    Edit: Hmm, looks like there may be two profiles for the JetFluid Pro now and I think I may have picked the wrong one! Will have to run it again tomorrow and see if there is any difference.

    The Powertap version is truer to 'life' in terms of power numbers - so if it is lower numbers , I went through the same process in December when I switched to Satori Powertap version.
    I'd retest to start another base line.
    I am sticking with TR for another month or 2... I tried the Trainer utility in Golden Cheetah but it was too flaky for me, was prone to crashing and I had to use the original Garmin stick as it refused to link to the Suunto one.
  • Simmotino
    Simmotino Posts: 295
    JGSI wrote:
    The Powertap version is truer to 'life' in terms of power numbers - so if it is lower numbers , I went through the same process in December when I switched to Satori Powertap version.

    I've looked through my previous rides and my last before I went away was tagged as the powertap profile, where as today's ride was using the CycleOps profile, so I think I had the wrong one selected.

    I'm going to try Keeler again tomorrow with the (I think) correct profile and see how it goes. If there's no dice then I'll re-test and start a new plan I think.
  • jamie_smoove
    jamie_smoove Posts: 24
    It appears my reply from a day or so ago didn't pop up.. I wasn't being ignorant Mike, honest!

    Anyway, did the 20 minute test this evening... http://www.trainerroad.com/cycling/rides/221277

    I have done a few tests like this before, so I knew what to expect, however, it took me a little while to gauge where I was actually at. I probably could have gone out a bit harder at the start. My previous result was 278 last April, so this isnt too far off where I'd expect to be especially as I have the distinct advantage of actual cycling time this winter. Maybe its a few W higher than actual, but as long as I can repeat it i'm happy enough.

    Further to this, is anyone else using a Cycleops Mag? I did a few calibration runs last night as a warm up and to test things out and found that the CycleOps Mag 5 [Powertap] (108 - I am assuming the powertap addition means it has been tested against an actual powertap?) gave ridiculously high readings, where as the BETA version (19) gave readings more consistent to what I'd expect. Anyone else got any other info they would like to share?
    http://jbracedominate.blogspot.com/
    My Venture into Racing in 2011
  • Garryboy
    Garryboy Posts: 344
    Simmotino wrote:
    JGSI wrote:
    The Powertap version is truer to 'life' in terms of power numbers - so if it is lower numbers , I went through the same process in December when I switched to Satori Powertap version.

    I've looked through my previous rides and my last before I went away was tagged as the powertap profile, where as today's ride was using the CycleOps profile, so I think I had the wrong one selected.

    I'm going to try Keeler again tomorrow with the (I think) correct profile and see how it goes. If there's no dice then I'll re-test and start a new plan I think.

    They changed the aming convention, it used to be jetfluid pro (obsolete) and jetfluid pro.

    Its now jetfluid pro (cycleops) - meaning using the powercurve supplied by cycleops and jetfluid pro (powertap) - meaning a profile tested with a powertap (multiple times).

    I emailed them about it and they say the (powertap) version is more accurate. It will give a higher watts reading or the same speed vs the (cycleops) version -yipee!
  • Simmotino
    Simmotino Posts: 295
    Garryboy wrote:
    They changed the aming convention, it used to be jetfluid pro (obsolete) and jetfluid pro.

    Its now jetfluid pro (cycleops) - meaning using the powercurve supplied by cycleops and jetfluid pro (powertap) - meaning a profile tested with a powertap (multiple times).

    I emailed them about it and they say the (powertap) version is more accurate. It will give a higher watts reading or the same speed vs the (cycleops) version -yipee!

    Thanks Garry, good to know I haven't got to start all over again!
  • markp80
    markp80 Posts: 444
    Just spotted a bit of a daft error on my part that I've been running with for the last week. I have two setups, one at home on a weekend, one at work during the week. The bikes I use have different size wheels (700/23 and 27x1-1/4). So when I first set up the weekend bike a week or so ago, I changed tyre circumference in my profile (you know what's coming), but I forgot to change it back when I got to work.
    Different computer but the software clearly grabs your profile from the TrainerRoad servers rather than using what was saved on your PC.
    Ok, didn't make a lot of difference in this case, but one to be aware of if you run alternative setups. (I love the turbo so much I need one in both places lol).
    Keeler's Needles tonight, following the plan. Quite a tough one!

    Cheers,
    MarkP
    Boardman Road Comp - OK, I went to Halfords
    Tibia plateau fracture - the rehab continues!
  • l33boy
    l33boy Posts: 63
    OK this is a huge thread... please allow a quick question if I may
    Does it tell you what setting (on the turbo) you need to select so that the power is as realistic as possible?
    I have a Tacx Satori...
    thanks guys

    edit: right, did a search through the thread and it seems there is no definitive setting... anything from 5>7?
    Bike: 5.8Kgs!
    Me: 92Kgs!!!
  • jgsi
    jgsi Posts: 5,062
    L33boy wrote:
    OK this is a huge thread... please allow a quick question if I may
    Does it tell you what setting (on the turbo) you need to select so that the power is as realistic as possible?
    I have a Tacx Satori...
    thanks guys

    edit: right, did a search through the thread and it seems there is no definitive setting... anything from 5>7?

    I use 5 with Satori Powertap profile... real enough for me!
  • Simmotino
    Simmotino Posts: 295
    Well the change in profile solved the problem. Thankfully.

    The bad news is, that now means I've got to tackle Powell on Saturday :shock:
  • Simmotino
    Simmotino Posts: 295
    Beaten :(
  • handful
    handful Posts: 920
    Blimey, wish I could put that much power out and think I was beaten!
    Vaaru Titanium Sram Red eTap
    Moda Chord with drop bars and Rival shifters - winter/do it all bike
    Orbea Rise
  • Garryboy
    Garryboy Posts: 344
    handful wrote:
    Blimey, wish I could put that much power out and think I was beaten!
    Amen to that!
    Was due to do that workout today, but actually managed to get out for ride early this morning. Maybe tomorrow.
  • Warwickshire Whizzer
    Warwickshire Whizzer Posts: 218
    MarkP80 wrote:
    Just spotted a bit of a daft error on my part that I've been running with for the last week. I have two setups, one at home on a weekend, one at work during the week. The bikes I use have different size wheels (700/23 and 27x1-1/4). So when I first set up the weekend bike a week or so ago, I changed tyre circumference in my profile (you know what's coming), but I forgot to change it back when I got to work.
    Different computer but the software clearly grabs your profile from the TrainerRoad servers rather than using what was saved on your PC.
    Ok, didn't make a lot of difference in this case, but one to be aware of if you run alternative setups. (I love the turbo so much I need one in both places lol).
    Keeler's Needles tonight, following the plan. Quite a tough one!

    Cheers,
    MarkP

    How did you find Keeler's Needle by the way? I was dreading it moving up but left me feeling a bit meh about it.
  • jgsi
    jgsi Posts: 5,062
    Time for another blitz week after a week recovering.
    Target 2 a day if possible... if not one of those at least a Sufferfest
    Aim to get training stress balance into negative as it has been positive these last few days .
    That does mean recovered and to prove a point was strong in todays ride but hard to quantify in a training ride as to how strong.
  • markp80
    markp80 Posts: 444
    Warwickshire Whizzer wrote:
    MarkP80 wrote:
    Keeler's Needles tonight, following the plan. Quite a tough one!
    Cheers,
    MarkP

    How did you find Keeler's Needle by the way? I was dreading it moving up but left me feeling a bit meh about it.
    I didn't find it anywhere near as tough as Kaweah Queen, two nights later! At least Keeler's Needle has a bit of variation. Those 4 x 9 min intervals of Kaweah Queen just seem like a long expanse of pain laid out in front, and that's exactly how I found them. Ouch.

    Cheers,
    MarkP
    Boardman Road Comp - OK, I went to Halfords
    Tibia plateau fracture - the rehab continues!
  • richa
    richa Posts: 1,632
    Anyone using the workout creator? I like it and would like to share a workout I made/rode.

    How do I do a ride that someone else created? Is this possible?

    Thanks.
    Rich
  • jgsi
    jgsi Posts: 5,062
    RichA wrote:
    Anyone using the workout creator? I like it and would like to share a workout I made/rode.

    How do I do a ride that someone else created? Is this possible?

    Thanks.

    No sharing available at the moment - they'd have to manually copy the profiling you have made.

    Hope the TR boys are onto this one
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  • fukawitribe
    fukawitribe Posts: 109
    edited February 2013
    On the subject of workouts and Workout Creator, there look to be some rather nice things due in TR 2.0 (coming soon) and 2.1, at least one or two of which might relate to some questions raised a week of two back.

    https://www.facebook.com/TrainerRd
    We've been quiet lately because we've been all hands on TrainerRoad 2.0. This is going to include a BIG update to the workout creator. One cool thing that we're putting the finishing touches on now is the ability to have "snippets".

    These snippets might be warm ups, over-unders or entire workouts. You can just drag them onto the workout canvas and they'll be added. You'll also be able to drag in existing workouts right onto the graph to combine multiple workouts.

    That's just a taste of some of the goodness that is coming.

    TrainerRoad Randy Lisle wrote:
    We've got workout playlists slated for TR 2.1. so in that case, you would just drag in both workouts into your play list and it would flow through.
    TrainerRoad Drew Hull wrote:
    With that playlist feature in 2.1 we plan on auto starting a free ride if you keep pedaling for 15 seconds after your ride is over (if the playlist is empty).

    I particularly like that last feature.
  • fukawitribe
    fukawitribe Posts: 109
    fukawitribe wrote:
    On the subject of workouts and Workout Creator, there look to be some rather nice things due in TR 2.0

    ..oh and, in answer to the question above, workout sharing from Creator should be in 2.0 AFAICT - which was what prompted me to post this lot in the first place !
  • WisePranker
    WisePranker Posts: 823
    I'm not sure if anyone can point me in the right direction here, I did the 8 minute test a few days ago after completing the 6 week intermediate base plan. At the end of the test a prompt came up on the screen asking if I wanted to change my FTP and LTHR figures but I must've pressed the wrong button as they never updated.
    Is there any way I can find out what the revised figures were or do I have to complete another test?

    Here's the workout:

    http://www.trainerroad.com/cycling/rides/224567
  • Simmotino
    Simmotino Posts: 295
    I'd wait for confirmation, but I believe the figures would have been FTP of 203 and LTHR of 161 based on that ride.
  • WisePranker
    WisePranker Posts: 823
    Simmotino wrote:
    I'd wait for confirmation, but I believe the figures would have been FTP of 203 and LTHR of 161 based on that ride.

    How do you work it out from the workout details?
  • Simmotino
    Simmotino Posts: 295
    For an 8 minute test, it's the average power of the two intervals multiplied by 0.90.

    The same for LTHR, but multiplied by 0.92.
  • WisePranker
    WisePranker Posts: 823
    Simmotino wrote:
    For an 8 minute test, it's the average power of the two intervals multiplied by 0.90.

    The same for LTHR, but multiplied by 0.92.

    Thanks for that. I'll update the numbers and see how it goes.

    Next time I'll take a bit more notice of what I'm doing :lol:
  • Simmotino
    Simmotino Posts: 295
    WisePranker wrote:
    Next time I'll take a bit more notice of what I'm doing :lol:

    We've all been there, especially having just fallen off the bike after an FTP re-test! :wink:
  • Mike39496
    Mike39496 Posts: 414
    Got a bit carried away at the end of today's workout.... http://www.trainerroad.com/cycling/rides/233849

    Legs aching already!

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