Etape du Tour 2013
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JS14 wrote:
Probably because in France it's a legal requirement* to have a medical certificate for just about everyone who runs, cycles, swims or plays football or even ping-pong as a sport, so a doctor is quite used to doing the paperwork. But the greater mystery is why a French GP will charge at most 23 euros (£20) while British GP's can't be bothered to get out of bed in the morning if they are earning less than £50 or £60 for five minutes work.bernithebiker wrote:
Weird. Why does it take so long? They just have to look at you then sign a 3 line letter.
I visit my doctor once a year, just for this. He looks me up and down for 5 seconds, then finds the old file on his computer and reprints it with this year's date. Simples!
(This is in France).
It's worth pointing out that the certificate is valid for a year, so next time try and get one done in November or December and it will cover you for a whole cycling year.
[* Code du Sport, Article L231-2-1]
Licenses are valid for a year, medical certificates are normally only valid for three months.0 -
inseine wrote:Licenses are valid for a year, medical certificates are normally only valid for three months.
No, the medical certificate is valid for a whole year. You can see this from the requirements on the Etape du Tour site:
"Without a medical certificate, you will not be allowed to participate in the Etape du Tour.
Participation in sporting events organised by sports federations or under their auspices is subject to the possession of a medical certificate has been issued stipulating the absence of contraindications for participation in cycling competitions or a copy thereof dating from less than one year."
and in the relevant legislation (I'll let you translate it with Google...):
"Code du Sport Article L231-2-1
Créé par Ordonnance n°2010-379 du 14 avril 2010 - art. 18
"La pratique en compétition d'une discipline sportive à l'occasion d'une manifestation organisée par une fédération agréée ou autorisée par une fédération délégataire est subordonnée à la présentation :
"1° Soit d'un certificat médical datant de moins d'un an et attestant l'absence de contre-indication à la pratique en compétition de cette discipline ou activité sportive ;
"2° Soit d'une licence mentionnée à l'article L. 231-2 délivrée pour la même discipline ou activité sportive et portant attestation de la délivrance de ce certificat."0 -
JS14 wrote:inseine wrote:Licenses are valid for a year, medical certificates are normally only valid for three months.
No, the medical certificate is valid for a whole year. You can see this from the requirements on the Etape du Tour site:
"Without a medical certificate, you will not be allowed to participate in the Etape du Tour.
Participation in sporting events organised by sports federations or under their auspices is subject to the possession of a medical certificate has been issued stipulating the absence of contraindications for participation in cycling competitions or a copy thereof dating from less than one year."
and in the relevant legislation (I'll let you translate it with Google...):
"Code du Sport Article L231-2-1
Créé par Ordonnance n°2010-379 du 14 avril 2010 - art. 18
"La pratique en compétition d'une discipline sportive à l'occasion d'une manifestation organisée par une fédération agréée ou autorisée par une fédération délégataire est subordonnée à la présentation :
"1° Soit d'un certificat médical datant de moins d'un an et attestant l'absence de contre-indication à la pratique en compétition de cette discipline ou activité sportive ;
"2° Soit d'une licence mentionnée à l'article L. 231-2 délivrée pour la même discipline ou activité sportive et portant attestation de la délivrance de ce certificat."
Hopefully I can do a better job than Google, as I've been frogified for the last 20 years;
'datant de moins d'un an' just means it needs to be less than one year old, so it could be 11 months or 1 month old.
MOST French events that I've done (sportives, tris, etc.) allow a one year validity, but I have seen some that stipulate 3 months, although that is rare, and the Etape is definitely 1 year.0 -
Cool and tipping it down in Annecy today with snow above 1800m, might want to pack your leg warmers......
http://m.webcam-hd.com/annecy-tourisme- ... annecy-lac0 -
If this forecast is accurate we might be ok:
http://www.worldweatheronline.com/Annec ... es/FR.aspx0 -
white_cannondale wrote:dandrew wrote:Re medical certificates, I've heard a reliable source that as long as it looks like a medical certificate it will do.
lol ... I also heard those rumours
After doing some research I came across the following: http://www.sportsmedicalcertificates.co.uk. It's not free but by the sounds of it some GPs would charge you anyway. It seems as if they turn things around fairly quickly, might give them a try if I don't get joy from our surgery.
Just found out I'm starting in the 3rd pen
Hopefully all that training in the Surrey hills was enough!
I used these guys, as said its not cheap however I filled in the form during the afternoon and by the evening they had sent me the certificate via email and the posted copy turned up the next day. For me this was perfect as trying to get an appointment with my GP is difficult and I would have had to take time off work anyway.
In other news do I have the highest bib number on the site so far? 12553! fingers crossed for no mechanicals early on.0 -
So here's the official reply to my request to move down a pen;
Tough sh!t no changes, basically!
Bonjour,
Nous sommes désolés pour votre ami mais vous si il n'a pas renseigné les informations sur son niveau sportif lors de son inscription dans les champs prévu à cet effet nous ne pouvons plus changer les sas,
Cordialement
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Service Concurrents - L'Etape du Tour 2013
Competitors Department - L'Etape du Tour 2013
Objet : Sas de depart
Bonjour,
J'ai recu mon numero de depart aujourd'hui, le 604.
Par contre mon copain, avec lequel je me suis inscrit et qui a le meme niveau que moi, a le numero 9009, on est donc tres loin chaqu'un de l'autre (au moins une heure de difference de depart).
Serait-il possible pour lui de partir dans mon SAS, ou pour moi de partir dans le sien? Car ca serait tres dommage si on ne pourrait pas rouler ensemble.
Merci et cordialement
Andrew Bernard0 -
I'm planning on riding both the Marmotte and Etape. I am staying in Alpe d'Huez for the days leading up to it with a hotel in Annecy booked for Saturday night. To prevent too much of a rush on Saturday afternoon/evening i'm planning on collecting my Marmotte number on Thursday and driving the 2 hours to Annecy to collect the Etape number on Friday.
Would any other brave/stupid riders want to come with me to Annecy that are planning the same thing? Help to save costs of tolls and petrol etc.
PM me if you're interested.
Cheers0 -
bernithebiker wrote:So here's the official reply to my request to move down a pen;
Tough sh!t no changes, basically!
Bonjour,
Nous sommes désolés pour votre ami mais vous si il n'a pas renseigné les informations sur son niveau sportif lors de son inscription dans les champs prévu à cet effet nous ne pouvons plus changer les sas,
Cordialement
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Service Concurrents - L'Etape du Tour 2013
Competitors Department - L'Etape du Tour 2013
Objet : Sas de depart
Bonjour,
J'ai recu mon numero de depart aujourd'hui, le 604.
Par contre mon copain, avec lequel je me suis inscrit et qui a le meme niveau que moi, a le numero 9009, on est donc tres loin chaqu'un de l'autre (au moins une heure de difference de depart).
Serait-il possible pour lui de partir dans mon SAS, ou pour moi de partir dans le sien? Car ca serait tres dommage si on ne pourrait pas rouler ensemble.
Merci et cordialement
Andrew Bernard
It just says that he can't move up, not that you can't move down (or just wait for him 5mins up the road?0 -
inseine wrote:It just says that he can't move up, not that you can't move down (or just wait for him 5mins up the road?
They say they can't change the penS, plural, be it mine or his.
I asked them specifically if he could move up or me down, and I'm taking that as a no.
The problem with waiting for him up the road is that a) I'll be waiting an hour, and b) my time will be running 'cos I'll have passed the start gate.0 -
bernithebiker wrote:inseine wrote:It just says that he can't move up, not that you can't move down (or just wait for him 5mins up the road?
They say they can't change the penS, plural, be it mine or his.
I asked them specifically if he could move up or me down, and I'm taking that as a no.
The problem with waiting for him up the road is that a) I'll be waiting an hour, and b) my time will be running 'cos I'll have passed the start gate.
Well it's up to you, I was trying to be helpful not difficult, but it does say if you are late you'll be refused access to your gate. Doesn't that mean you'll have to go in a later one, rather than they kick you out of the event? I can't see they'd make a fuss on the day but it depends on if you want to take the risk.
Hope you sort something out .0 -
I presume there is no equivalent to the UKA competition licence card in cycling? I have done several running road races in France and this is always acceptable on the basis that I am authorised to compete in the UK.0
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inseine wrote:bernithebiker wrote:inseine wrote:It just says that he can't move up, not that you can't move down (or just wait for him 5mins up the road?
They say they can't change the penS, plural, be it mine or his.
I asked them specifically if he could move up or me down, and I'm taking that as a no.
The problem with waiting for him up the road is that a) I'll be waiting an hour, and b) my time will be running 'cos I'll have passed the start gate.
Well it's up to you, I was trying to be helpful not difficult, but it does say if you are late you'll be refused access to your gate. Doesn't that mean you'll have to go in a later one, rather than they kick you out of the event? I can't see they'd make a fuss on the day but it depends on if you want to take the risk.
Hope you sort something out .
No, I appreciate any help, it's not that - their reply has lots of grammatical errors in it anyway - it doesn't make a great deal of sense.
I would imagine that if I turned up at the 9000 pen with my friend and pleaded ignorance, they probably would let me in, but it's a risk - you never know, and by then my pen (0-1000) will have long gone.0 -
Well the British Cycling site notes "Specific Requirements for Etape du Tour (France)Mikey23 wrote:I presume there is no equivalent to the UKA competition licence card in cycling? I have done several running road races in France and this is always acceptable on the basis that I am authorised to compete in the UK.
British Cycling members taking part in the Etape du Tour (France) need to present a medical certificate at registration."
Maybe you don't need to provide a medical certificate to obtain a British Cycling race licence, whereas you have to provide one to obtain a French Fédération Française de Cyclisme (FFC) competition or cyclosportive licence. The FFC licences have "Medical Certificate: Yes" printed on them, to prove to any organisers that you have complied with French law.0 -
yikes im number 12580.
can anyone beat it?0 -
boborange wrote:yikes im number 12580.
can anyone beat it?
Look on the bright side - after 12579 tyres have swept the road in front of you, the chances of a puncture are virtually nil!0 -
bernithebiker wrote:boborange wrote:yikes im number 12580.
can anyone beat it?
Look on the bright side - after 12579 tyres have swept the road in front of you, the chances of a puncture are virtually nil!
bugger - didn't know we had to do it on unicycles; I'd best get practising 0 -
Simon_Rhino wrote:bernithebiker wrote:boborange wrote:yikes im number 12580.
can anyone beat it?
Look on the bright side - after 12579 tyres have swept the road in front of you, the chances of a puncture are virtually nil!
bugger - didn't know we had to do it on unicycles; I'd best get practising
Ooops, basic maths failure; must be 25,158 tyres then!0 -
dandrew wrote:Re medical certificates, I've heard a reliable source that as long as it looks like a medical certificate it will do.
Be careful, the last two years they have had a proper look at my certificate, I would not risk all the training,travelling and money spent because you did not go to the doctors to get a simple form signed.0 -
lee_d_m wrote:Anyone staying in along the west shore of Lake Annecy ? It looks like the route goes along there so I would expect the road (D1508) to be shut. How are you planning on getting to the start if this road is closed ?
You do not have to worry, there is a fantastic cycle path that runs all the along the West shore of the lake that takes you straight into Annecy, I will be on it at around 5.30am and we will not be alone!
Also, worth taking a small set of lights as it is still fairly dark at this time and it will probably be fairly busy with riders who are camping/staying along the lake.0 -
It makes me wonder what criteria are used to allocate bib numbers. This year I have a sub-6000 number which is virtually the same number as for last year's Albertville Etape, for which I managed an ignominious "Did Not Finish" result. For both entries, I declared just one qualifying, long-distance performance: a 125 mile sportive in 2011 with a last-but-two-or-three finish. Does this means that anyone who has actually managed to finish a previous Etape gets a sub-5000 number? And what is the lowest number obtained by someone who didn't declare any previous cycling results?boborange wrote:yikes im number 12580.
can anyone beat it?0 -
There is a guy in our club who is Cat 1 and will be moving upto Elite soon, he just said this in the entry and got a 2,300 number.
I on the other hand gave my two previous Etape times, and the Tour of the Peaks time and got 891.0 -
willy b wrote:There is a guy in our club who is Cat 1 and will be moving upto Elite soon, he just said this in the entry and got a 2,300 number.
I on the other hand gave my two previous Etape times, and the Tour of the Peaks time and got 891.
Wow you must have done well in those events, Gold times?
Yes it seems to me to be a pretty random process too....0 -
I'm doing the Etape Du Tour and La Marmotte but my Doctor refuses to sign a Medical Certificate due to a Practice Policy. Instead they have provided me with a Medical Disclaimer signed by my Doctor which says that I used to suffer from Asthma and not had any symptoms for over two years and I have had no issues when taking part in cycling events.
To make matters worse, I broke a bone in May and that is also mentioned on the paper, the doctors discharged me today and I am hoping that their letter to say I am OK arrives before I leave.
Has anyone ever had to present anything like this to an event? It's a bit annoying as she charged me £12 and it's pretty much my words and her signature rather than a medical opinion that is presented on the paper.0 -
Barca1 wrote:I'm doing the Etape Du Tour and La Marmotte but my Doctor refuses to sign a Medical Certificate due to a Practice Policy. Instead they have provided me with a Medical Disclaimer signed by my Doctor which says that I used to suffer from Asthma and not had any symptoms for over two years and I have had no issues when taking part in cycling events.
To make matters worse, I broke a bone in May and that is also mentioned on the paper, the doctors discharged me today and I am hoping that their letter to say I am OK arrives before I leave.
Has anyone ever had to present anything like this to an event? It's a bit annoying as she charged me £12 and it's pretty much my words and her signature rather than a medical opinion that is presented on the paper.
I'd be really careful if I were you. Most likely, it'll just get a cursory glance and you'll be OK. But if a 'fonctionnaire' sees it and gets funny I could see it being a problem. It needs to say that you're fine for cycling in competitions without any disclaimers.
At a push you could go and see a French doc as soon as you arrive, and as long as you look healthy, breathe healthy, pulse and BP all OK, you'll be fine.0 -
You could also try a private medical practice. Will cost though.0
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For the past two years my friend has printed the medical certificate off and then made a doctors stamp from staples (think you can buy individual letters) and then signed it, I personally would have been a bit uneasy about doing this, but he was fine and got in both years.
Your other option is a British Cycling Race License, which will be accepted at both events (got an email today saying this) Although this might not arrive in time!
56mph - Just finishing last years Act II was a major achievement. Although I think I was top 300 ish.0 -
willy b wrote:For the past two years my friend has printed the medical certificate off and then made a doctors stamp from staples (think you can buy individual letters) and then signed it, I personally would have been a bit uneasy about doing this, but he was fine and got in both years.
Your other option is a British Cycling Race License, which will be accepted at both events (got an email today saying this) Although this might not arrive in time!
56mph - Just finishing last years Act II was a major achievement. Although I think I was top 300 ish.
Will, if you see a bloke on an S works, number 604 in your pen, pretending to have thrown his chain at start time, that'll be me. Just ride round!0 -
bernithebiker wrote:
Will, if you see a bloke on an S works, number 604 in your pen, pretending to have thrown his chain at start time, that'll be me. Just ride round!
Might join you Berni, i'll be on my arse having done the Marmotte on Saturday...0 -
willy b wrote:bernithebiker wrote:
Will, if you see a bloke on an S works, number 604 in your pen, pretending to have thrown his chain at start time, that'll be me. Just ride round!
Might join you Berni, i'll be on my ars* having done the Marmotte on Saturday...
Blimey, rather you than me. Good luck with that.0
