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FoldingJoe wrote:Did you parents take you to the Doctor's about it? Probably some sort of lack of blood flow if it was white.
Seriously, I'm sure the difference between your helmet from 18years ago(?) and this one is like chalk and cheese, Rick.
How has the thread degenerated to talk of cheesy helmets?
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FoldingJoe wrote:Rick Chasey wrote:FoldingJoe wrote:Just playing devils advocate, but does anybody think that company such as Giro haven't done sufficient R&D, which probably included feedback from several sports persons, in coming up with this helmet?
It's not like these helmets haven't been around for a while.
My helmet when I was 5 looked just like that.
Did you parents take you to the Doctor's about it? Probably some sort of lack of blood flow if it was white.
Seriously, I'm sure the difference between your helmet from 18years ago(?) and this one is like chalk and cheese, Rick.
I bet the difference is minimal.
I bet.
It's just fashion. What else can helmet people do. "Oh look, ANOTHER helmet that's lighter and cooler, this time lighter by 2g and an extra hole for ventilation". Big whoop.0 -
Looks like they made too many ski helmets for last winter and are recycling them to shift 'em. :P0
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Pross wrote:If that 16 secs over 40km has any proof behind it I would assume it is based on riding solo where aerodynamics make a big difference. In the last 40km of a race a rider like Cav will be behind others for 99% of the time and will often be freewheeling in the slipstream, an aero helmet will therefore give very little benefit in a bunch situation as far as I can see. So I agree on the marketing BS point!
But what if Cavendish is riding behind his team, all who are wearing an aero road helmet? They can either ride faster or ride at the same speed but using less energy. Then Cavendish will have more team mates at the end of the race?
And what about the rider on a break either in a group or on their own, will it not help him a bit?
Mind you, you could wear one of these instead, it would have pretty much the same effect.
As Michael Hutchinson did in his hour record attempt.0 -
Grah - will people stop banging on about it being too hot!
"Ventilation is obviously still a paramount concern for road cyclists, though, and Giro has tackled the challenge by maximizing the Air Attack's internal channel design - an approach similar to the company's full-blown Selector time trial model. There's also a new Roc Loc Air retention system that helps suspend the entire helmet 3mm off the top of the rider's head. In theory, the combination creates enough space inside the helmet such that whatever air does come in has so much room to flow that the Air Attack doesn't feel overly hot.
In fact, Giro PR man Mark Riedy claims that pressure differentials and Venturi effects make the Air Attack about as cool as having no helmet on at all based on Giro's in-house testing on its instrumented headform (the Aeon, by the way, is supposedly cooler than a bare head). That being said, such a cooling mechanism likely also depends on the rider moving at a reasonable rate of speed, meaning that at first glance, the Air Attack doesn't seem to be the ideal choice for a hot day of steep climbing."
Marketing speak imho, but they have addressed the heat issue!http://www.georgesfoundation.org
http://100hillsforgeorge.blogspot.com/
http://www.12on12in12.blogspot.co.uk/0 -
Saves you 17 seconds over 40kms... hhmmm....... marketing blah blah blah at its best me thinkies......'I started with nothing and still have most of it left.'0
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So first they sell us helmets on the basis of so many vents.
Then when they cant get any more vents in they sell us helmets on the basis of speed. And tell us we didn't need the vents anyway.
I saw a bloke racing Ironman last year with a full aero helmet on - all the lo pro kit, but he had his rainjacket on, and the hood was open in the wind behind him like a drag chute. :-)0 -
Or about a metre in a sprint. If trueAlwaystoohot wrote:Saves you 17 seconds over 40kms... hhmmm....... marketing blah blah blah at its best me thinkies......0 -
Alwaystoohot wrote:Saves you 17 seconds over 40kms... hhmmm....... marketing blah blah blah at its best me thinkies......
Doesn't have to be 17 seconds though, does it? For a pro rider a second would be enough for it to be worth using.0 -
greasedscotsman wrote:Alwaystoohot wrote:Saves you 17 seconds over 40kms... hhmmm....... marketing blah blah blah at its best me thinkies......
Doesn't have to be 17 seconds though, does it? For a pro rider a second would be enough for it to be worth using.
Assuming you don't lose more seconds for having no vents...0 -
Rick Chasey wrote:greasedscotsman wrote:Alwaystoohot wrote:Saves you 17 seconds over 40kms... hhmmm....... marketing blah blah blah at its best me thinkies......
Doesn't have to be 17 seconds though, does it? For a pro rider a second would be enough for it to be worth using.
Assuming you don't lose more seconds for having no vents...
If it's hot, you don't wear it. If it's a Giro that are sponsoring your team, you wear one of their vented helmets intead. It's no different from Castelli making an aero and a climbers jersey, you wear the one that's best for the conditions.0 -
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Rick Chasey wrote:They make 'climbing' jerseys?!?!
Oh come on Mr. Chasey, keep up! Your just gonna have to ditch that wool jersey that your Mum knitted you and get with the times!
http://www.wiggle.co.uk/castelli-garmin ... rsey-2012/0 -
greasedscotsman wrote:Rick Chasey wrote:They make 'climbing' jerseys?!?!
Oh come on Mr. Chasey, keep up! Your just gonna have to ditch that wool jersey that your Mum knitted you and get with the times!
http://www.wiggle.co.uk/castelli-garmin ... rsey-2012/
OK, so it's the same fit only 'lighter' and more cooling?
Fair enough. Great for when you're bombing downhill.
Rapha call them lightweight. I've got a lovely baby blue one. Tighter fit than their normal black jersey, so it looks better on me.
A little long though - so I'm slightly rocking the '50s jersey look when I have stuff in my pockets. The colour doesn't help.
Bloody comfy though. It's got a little tiny secret pouch for your pills too. I sh!t you not.0 -
ddraver wrote:They certainly make aero ones - than Garmin bloke at het neuwsblad?
They make an aero jersey and a "road" skinsuit, think it's called the San Remo, which I think Vanmarcke used in Het Nieuwsblad.0 -
Rick Chasey wrote:A little long though - so I'm slightly rocking the '50s jersey look when I have stuff in my pockets.
Oh I can't stand that. I quite like Mavic jerseys as they are a bit shorter and you don't end up looking like that!
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greasedscotsman wrote:Rick Chasey wrote:A little long though - so I'm slightly rocking the '50s jersey look when I have stuff in my pockets.
Oh I can't stand that. I quite like Mavic jerseys as they are a bit shorter and you don't end up looking like that!
When you're my height, you just live with it... :P0 -
greasedscotsman wrote:ddraver wrote:They certainly make aero ones - than Garmin bloke at het neuwsblad?
They make an aero jersey and a "road" skinsuit, think it's called the San Remo, which I think Vanmarcke used in Het Nieuwsblad.
Yeah 'im!We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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mididoctors wrote:Not sold on helmets in general .....
I've often wondered about this comment ...
Just a little experiment - if I was to hit you on the head with sledge hammer would you rather be wearing a helmet?
:roll:'Do not compare your bike to others, for always there will be greater and lesser bikes'0 -
ddraver wrote:greasedscotsman wrote:ddraver wrote:They certainly make aero ones - than Garmin bloke at het neuwsblad?
They make an aero jersey and a "road" skinsuit, think it's called the San Remo, which I think Vanmarcke used in Het Nieuwsblad.
Yeah 'im!
And Van Summeren used one when he won Roubaix last year.
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josame wrote:mididoctors wrote:Not sold on helmets in general .....
I've often wondered about this comment ...
Just a little experiment - if I was to hit you on the head with sledge hammer would you rather be wearing a helmet?
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Please no - I'd take being hit on the head with a sledge hammer rather than that 'debate' making it from Beginners into Pro Race!!! :roll:0 -
josame wrote:mididoctors wrote:Not sold on helmets in general .....
I've often wondered about this comment ...
Just a little experiment - if I was to hit you on the head with sledge hammer would you rather be wearing a helmet?
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yeah I would... damm never thought of that. I see now how bankrupt my statement was. I'm clearly no match for your superior debating skillz"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0 -
Also a team jersey, which is anatomically cut. I have one, super comfy. Garmin wear those on occasions too I believe.greasedscotsman wrote:ddraver wrote:They certainly make aero ones - than Garmin bloke at het neuwsblad?
They make an aero jersey and a "road" skinsuit, think it's called the San Remo, which I think Vanmarcke used in Het Nieuwsblad.0 -
Marketing hype!!!
If they made a get laid one you'd all buy it too. We have got to the end of sensible evolution so all that is left is marketing ideas to get us to empty our wallets.
They don't make it for the pro's (no ROI in that) it is made to sell. A bit like numpties handing over £150+ for a jersey sown in Switzerland from material made from the same roll as a £40 jersey0 -
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Not what I said. However 85% of the drag comes off the rider. I seriously doubt the claims made as they have not told us who independently verified and peer reviewed their findings. Hence I feel they came from the marketing team to oddly SELL more helmets.
Hands up if you bought the helmet worn by Armstrong!! If you did you fell for marketing0 -
Sure, I know that's not what you said, but how about you answer the question? If you were a pro rider, it's not a hot day, which helmet would you wear? Don't you think that a helmet with vents isn't going to be as aerodynamic as one with none?
Sure, Giro are trying to sell helmets, but are they not just trying to make a better product? What's wrong with that?0
