USADA files doping charges against Lance
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UnfactLe Commentateur wrote:This thread's going to reach 100 pages before the Tour reaches Paris.0 -
"Livestrong Lobbyist's Agenda Is Questioned"
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303612804577531353567249064.html?mod=googlenews_wsj0 -
mfin wrote:"Livestrong Lobbyist's Agenda Is Questioned"
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303612804577531353567249064.html?mod=googlenews_wsj
Conspiracy Theory #1. USADA is blackmailing LA.
Conspiracy Theory #2. LA is trying to buy off USADA(who might accept).
Conclusions - Either LA or USADA is corrupt. OR both are corrupt. Which sort of points to theory #2(my pick). Wouldn't surprise me in the least. I think both are in this mess for the money and or because of the money.0 -
That's the point with LA though, it's always been about the money.....0
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coriordan wrote:That's the point with LA though, it's always been about the money.....
Let's see now. I work for a living, you work for a living, most everyone works for a living. Why do we work for a living? For the money. Some of us make more or less than others. We all want the better things in life. What does it take to have better things? Money. What do you want more of? Money(for one). What's the world run on? Money.
You, me, LA, everyone, MONEY. What did you think it was all about? Of course it's all about the money.0 -
You're getting the wrong end of the stick, mate.
He's cheating, lying, using his 'charities' for questionable uses.
I don't think he gives 2 sh!ts about the philanthropy of it all, and I think you'll find its not all about the money to everyone. Quite the opposite, in fact, if you believe your management theorists.0 -
And as for the the 'better' things in life. For me, they aren't carbon wheels. Its a double overhead left hander, with some sunshine. No money there0
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Don't get many of them in Wandsworth. Mind you I've just had a fortnight in Croyde with mainly half underknee and raincoriordan wrote:And as for the the 'better' things in life. For me, they aren't carbon wheels. Its a double overhead left hander, with some sunshine. No money thereWarning No formatter is installed for the format0 -
coriordan wrote:
He's cheating, lying, using his 'charities' for questionable uses.
I don't think he gives 2 sh!ts about the philanthropy of it all, and I think you'll find its not all about the money to everyone. Quite the opposite, in fact, if you believe your management theorists.
If you think it's "questionable" then don't contribute.
As for his "philanthropy" you could be right or you could be wrong. Your choice.
Never said it was "ALL about the money" but I would challenge you to find someone who doesn't want more. If you do find them please tell them that I will take any excess cash they have off their hands.0 -
to me this all smacks of someone trying to wriggle themselves off the hook any way they can.
Either fight the charges with USADA or me a man and admit it.
Don't try all this you have no jurisdiction over me or getting politicians involved in this. USADA are the anti doping body of the USA. Last time I checked LA is a US citizen and races under the US flag, end of on that score0 -
dennisn wrote:Of course it's all about the money.dennisn wrote:Never said it was "ALL about the money"
Yes you did.
Anyway, you and I are being to literal. You know what I mean. He's not doing it just to "help himself get by".
I would work a few more hours, suck up a bit, work harder for a bonus, not fraudulently steal from my company (not implying he's stealing from his companies fraudulently - but his actions are certainly 'questionable' - he's cheating the other cyclists by taking PEDs), and I wonder....is he doing it for the glory of the wins and the jersey, or just to rake in more cash?0 -
No tA Doctor wrote:Don't get many of them in Wandsworth. Mind you I've just had a fortnight in Croyde with mainly half underknee and rain
I'm a Gwithians/Godrevy man myself, although only been out once this year. Hopefully Ireland for a week in October. Mind you, I'm a windsurfer, so I have the advantage of already being stood up when it gets big!
Apparently Brighton has been amazing this year. Not sure what its like on a surfboard when its blowing quite hard onshore though, I'm a fan of 16-20 kts side/side off!0 -
Is it definite that Big George has stated on oath that Lance 'I like a bit of EPO and back dating TUE's' Armstrong is a big smelly liar about doping? I mean definitely definite.+++++++++++++++++++++
we are the proud, the few, Descendents.
Panama - finally putting a nail in the economic theory of the trickle down effect.0 -
nothings definite as all the testimony has been behind closed doors. At the end of the day it's all wait and see.symo wrote:Is it definite that Big George has stated on oath that Lance 'I like a bit of EPO and back dating TUE's' Armstrong is a big smelly liar about doping? I mean definitely definite.0 -
he's cheating the other cyclists by taking PEDs
Except, and I don't think I'm being unfair here, in his prime, most of the competition were also on the hot sauce.
Andy0 -
True true, but I think its too cheesy to say he's cheating the fans......and it fitted well with my analogy.
Also, I think it meant lots of people who were VERY promising debuting pros would never go anywhere without PEDs so went to pull pints and compete in local races.....unlike, say Millar.0 -
ratherbeintobago wrote:he's cheating the other cyclists by taking PEDs
Except, and I don't think I'm being unfair here, in his prime, most of the competition were also on the hot sauce.
Andy
yes and no. USPS had a team wide doping programme and after the other team cut back after Festina 98 they carried on and allegedly had the UCI in their pocket. No other team had that plus EPO the drug of choice stopped being used except by USPS so they were able to go way above and beyond what other teams could do.0 -
JIngs! Crivens! and Help me Boab.
81 pages
And in only a month.
Just who'd 've thunk it? :roll:0 -
sherer wrote:
nothings definite as all the testimony has been behind closed doors. At the end of the day it's all wait and see.symo wrote:Is it definite that Big George has stated on oath that Lance 'I like a bit of EPO and back dating TUE's' Armstrong is a big smelly liar about doping? I mean definitely definite.
What happens "at the end of the day" if they, whomever they are, don't tell you?
What if they never tell you, like the Grand Jury thing?0 -
As long as USADA get the chance to investigate this properly I will be happy with this.dennisn wrote:sherer wrote:
nothings definite as all the testimony has been behind closed doors. At the end of the day it's all wait and see.symo wrote:Is it definite that Big George has stated on oath that Lance 'I like a bit of EPO and back dating TUE's' Armstrong is a big smelly liar about doping? I mean definitely definite.
What happens "at the end of the day" if they, whomever they are, don't tell you?
What if they never tell you, like the Grand Jury thing?
Wishy washy acticle on Big George here that basically says nothing
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/18/sport ... ml?_r=2&hp0 -
Another article worth a scan read, (in it is also says the hearing with Sam Sparks is Aug 10th regards the resubmitted 25 pages)
http://www.freep.com/usatoday/article/56322272&usatref=sportsmod?odyssey=mod|newswell|text|Sports|pMichael McCann, director of the Sports Law Institute at Vermont, said USADA faces some risk because Armstrong "is the one athlete with the popularity and financial wherewithal to take the agency on, head-to-head."While McCann predicts the court is likely to uphold USADA's jurisdiction, he said a judge might find some of the agency's "testing methods or system of charging methods to be unconstitutional but that is different than a court saying USADA lacks jurisdiction to have any testing or any system of charging."0 -
ddraver wrote:Cyclopath wrote:JIngs! Crivens! and Help me Boab.
81 pages
And in only a month.
Just who'd 've thunk it? :roll:
At least 40 of those are us telling Rundfahrt he's an idiot though....
Damn, and I thought I held the record for pages about being an idiot.
I'm so ashamed. :oops:
Note to self - try harder.0 -
sherer wrote:
As long as USADA get the chance to investigate this properly I will be happy with this.dennisn wrote:sherer wrote:
nothings definite as all the testimony has been behind closed doors. At the end of the day it's all wait and see.symo wrote:Is it definite that Big George has stated on oath that Lance 'I like a bit of EPO and back dating TUE's' Armstrong is a big smelly liar about doping? I mean definitely definite.
What happens "at the end of the day" if they, whomever they are, don't tell you?
What if they never tell you, like the Grand Jury thing?
Do you believe USADA has NO other interest in this other than what they claim? i.e. do they have an ulterior motive?0 -
What other interests do they have Dennisn?
What are the possibly likely ulterior motives?
I can't think of any credible ones.0 -
Rick Chasey wrote:What other interests do they have Dennisn?
What are the possibly likely ulterior motives?
I can't think of any credible ones.
Money??? I don't know why but I have a feeling that at the end of the day you'll find that money was / is somehow involved. The big dogs are playing this game and with them it's always about money, one way or another.0 -
dennisn wrote:Rick Chasey wrote:What other interests do they have Dennisn?
What are the possibly likely ulterior motives?
I can't think of any credible ones.
Money??? I don't know why but I have a feeling that at the end of the day you'll find that money was / is somehow involved. The big dogs are playing this game and with them it's always about money, one way or another.
That's not very specific is it?
And the 'money' argument can very easily be leveled at Armstrong too.
Come up with a credible specific motive or interest and I might pay attention to it.
That's what I don't get with Armstrong's current defence on twitter - he's saying it's a witch-hunt but I can't see the incentives or motives for that. No-one's been able to come up with any credible or specific ones. Just saying "money" doesn't work.0 -
It's jealousy. They resent success. They're obsessed, etc.0
