Absoloutly crap.

pinno

coriordan wrote:

Jesus Christ mate. With an attitude like that its no wonder you cant find a job.

Stacking shelves or shagging students in the mountains essentially for free, for an awesome 6 months. Take a bike and do some biking at the end if you must.

Move home, pull some pints and get the F out of the UK.

Could'nt agree more.
Hitch to the friggin Alps if you have to. People are accomodating over there - someone will put you up. You are only 2 months off grape picking season as well - time of your life and hard work with great food, then feck off to the alps and get bar work. You don't want to end up in MacDonalds do you ? Manchester is a sh1t hole, how the heck would you not want to swap that for shagging pouting French/Swiss/Italian/German/Austrian girls, apres-ski party party party??
There is a world out there, don't waste it in dole queues on this miserable island.
Unless you are a semi-pro bike rider, you aint compromising anything. So you'll miss the bike for a little whilst you get on yer feet. Boohoo. Ypu won't be thinking about yer bike when some stunning creature from outer space is sat on yer face. They actually have the internet abroad too you know, so we can lampoon you even when your not here and you'll still be able to read it! I mean this in the nicest way - GO ON - DO ONE !

willhub

To be honest, I don't think Manchester is a shite hole, if it's a shite hole then every square millimeter of the UK is, and I don't think simply packing my bags, upping sticks and hitching a ride into the sunset with a massive smile on my face to some other country is as simple and rosy as people are making out. If it was every single student in the UK would be doing it and companies would be struggling and moving abroad themselves leaving the UK to be a rotting cesspit of nothingness and wasteland.

willhub

To be honest, I don't think Manchester is a shite hole, if it's a shite hole then every square millimeter of the UK is, and I don't think simply packing my bags, upping sticks and hitching a ride into the sunset with a massive smile on my face to some other country is as simple and rosy as people are making out. If it was every single student in the UK would be doing it and companies would be struggling and moving abroad themselves leaving the UK to be a rotting cesspit of nothingness and wasteland.

Cleat Eastwood

why not get a part time job in aggies basement (tm)

Anonymous

You're missing the point. Its not about getting out of a shithole. Its about change and something to tie you over while you are otherwise wasting time and boring the hell out of yourself.
What are you gaining by doing a few hours stacking shelves? Nothing. Misery, dead end. At least you can have some fun, get some chat, and get laid.

I mean, mate. I always thought northerners being a glum lot was a stereotype, but you seemed to be a bit more 'spunky' for want of a better word. I think you see ASDA with rose tinted specs. It IS simple and ROSY. You aren't doing it cos you haven't tried.

Grape season is also an amazing shout. Either Europe or New Zealand. How amazing.

CambsNewbie

Enjoy the time off over the summer while you can. As long as you are spending a couple of hours a day applying for jobs, checking with recruitment agencies etc then the rest of the day is yours...

In my last job I worked mon-fri 8-6 (allegedly, more like 7:30ish to 7ish) and every other Saturday 8-2ish. Might have had money but was always tired.

daviesee

coriordan wrote:

Move home, pull some pints and get the F out of the UK.

+1 to infinity. A bit daunting but the best thing I ever did. It will change your world view, and your view on life forever.
Plus, it has to be done while you are young. Once you are in your 30s you will want to settle down somewhere and it is too late for travelling willy-nilly.
Sounds like you are already there. Stacking in Manc for you.

MattC59

willhub wrote:

To be honest, I don't think Manchester is a shite hole, if it's a shite hole then every square millimeter of the UK is, and I don't think simply packing my bags, upping sticks and hitching a ride into the sunset with a massive smile on my face to some other country is as simple and rosy as people are making out. If it was every single student in the UK would be doing it and companies would be struggling and moving abroad themselves leaving the UK to be a rotting cesspit of nothingness and wasteland.

Yes it is !! Just get in touch with the hotels in the resorts and see what they have to offer. You'll get a job for the season, accomodation (probablly all of your meals), ski pass (and probably hire) a wage and a sh*t load of partying and sh*gging. You'll meet loads of new people, have the time of your life and you won't be stuck in some dirty city over a miserable Manchester winter.

What will look better on your CV ?
"I scraped around and found a job stocking shelves in Asda, 'cause they offer cheap food at the end of the week"
or
"I got off my ar*e, took a bit of a risk, stepped out of my comfort zone and worked in the Alps over the ski season."

Take the plunge, you'll love it !!!

utgaardaolle

It´s been said before: Youth is wasted on the young.

shouldbeinbed

willhub wrote:

So basically, it's going to live near some mountains, get a normal job like I'd get in the UK, and ski all the time, rather than cycle.

I'd rather get a job in the UK and be able to Cycle than Ski.

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no Will forget that, don't do what might make you happy, do what other people tell you would make them happy. join the borg.

ok you've asked for advice, its been given, if its not up your street, fair enough, it might be a great opportunity for you but then again its not for everyone, so you've said no.
feel free to ignore the subsequent barrage of people trying to make you into a little clone of their idea of a lovely life.

I would say though, don't confine your world view of work to scoring cheap food, or if that is an essential requirement for you, think, cafe's, pub kitchens(the dreaded wetherspoons) etc as well as big shops.
All supermarkets hack down prices on end of date stuff at the end of the day for customers as well as staff and offer staff discounts on regular shopping, but none of the biggies seem to be recruiting ( daughter in law is hunting for any job she can get in Manchester too but from a lower education level than you've got)

Aldi are recruiting at the mo - the store manager local to me advised hand your CV & a covering letter into the store (ask for the manager/duty manager) and definitely back it up with an online application. just under £7 an hour to start and ~£7.50 when trained.

rolf_f

willhub wrote:

To be honest, I don't think Manchester is a shite hole, if it's a shite hole then every square millimeter of the UK is......

I can understand that if your experience of the UK is Manchester and Selby, you would think that Manchester isn't a shitehole. But you'd be wrong. It is a shitehole and that is in comparison with the rest of the UK and not Paris, Rome, Florence, Vienna etc.

Anyway, you complain that you don't like being out of work yet you won't do anything to get yourself out of work. Your idea of proactive is to decide that you could get a job stacking shelves at Asda - but no jobs are currently advertised so you do nothing. Have you actually checked to see if Asda takes speculative applications? Are you aware that Asda is not the only supermarket? Or that if you don't mind stacking shelves, there are thousands of other retail outlets in Manchester alone and that some of them must have vacancies for a pro-active, enthusiastic go-getter. Which unfortunately you don't appear to be but I'd be delighted for you to prove me wrong.......

By all means sit around not enjoying life without a job - I've been there and I know it isn't fun. But don't whinge on forums about it unless you are prepared to do something about it and listen to the good advice you are given and maybe react on some of it.

garryc

Will,

I hate giving younger people advise 'cos it makes me sound sanctimonious and you'll probably not listen anyway.

But.

I left college and managed to get a job straight away - brilliant. I've never been unemployed, again brilliant. But sitting here over 30 years later I really wish I'd taken the opportunity and buggered off 'round Europe or wherever for a year or two.

Once you get a job, you'll start aquiring responsibilites rent/mortgage/standing orders/direct debits etc etc. Sure I can go on nice holidays but for 2 weeks at a time. I'd love to do LeJoG, 2 weeks easy but the Mrs wants a holiday as well. I'd love to follow the Tour around southern France and ride some of the cols but can't get the time off.

Do it now while you can. (but don't listen to me, what do I know?)

daviesee

You have asked for advice. People have given it. Ignore that advice. Fine.
But get off your ar$e and stop expecting it to land on your doorstep.

Oops. Here it is. On your doorstep. Took me less than 10 seconds on Google.

http://www.totaljobs.com/JobSearch/Resu ... &Radius=10

Get on with it.............

Anonymous

@shouldbeinbed - send her on a ski season, or to a vineyard in Europe?

willhub - don't get a job. Get some life experience. You have the rest of your life to stack shelves

rick_chasey

Come on people - behave.

Will's already discussed finding it difficult to find a job having come out of uni, and he's already made it clear in another thread he's taking finding a job seriously. Sounds to me like he just wants a moan, which he's allowed to do without being goaded!

I know not many of you have had the humiliation of coming out of Uni with a first, and then be denied working in any bar or shelf-stacking. I was, and it was bloody awful.

jordan_217

What do you have a first in, out of curiosity, Will?

Anonymous

also - and this is going to sound mega sactimonious and 'whatever you don't know what its like' and 'you don't know me' and probably quite rude, BUt

it sounds like you could do with a bit of travel and a challenge....

GiantMike

I think the Taliban are recruiting. And Afghanistan is officially nicer than Manchester:

http://www.afghanistanisnicerthanmanchester.com

Jez mon

Will,

For what it's worth, I think you probably do have a genuine passion and interest in tech and IT, yet you've only been out of uni for a few weeks and are already applying to supermarkets? That's fine, but you aren't going to find shelf stacking any more stimulating than sitting on your arse (although it will look better on the CV). Just spend your time applying to every suitable graduate job/paid placement you can find.

Also, look further afield than just Manchester, because otherwise you just cut your chances tremendously. I know you have friends there, but once you're doing 40 hrs a week, you don't get much time to socialise outside of weekends, and you can always travel to see them then. Also, once you're doing 40hrs a week, you ideally want to be doing something you enjoy, having a job you hate must be soul destroying.

When I graduate next summer, my ideal job would be something like, CFD modelling engineer, it would pay >30k, and it would be in Woking, Surrey, working for a company starting with M... But that's not especially realistic, so I'll be applying to companies all over the country, and probably take the first thing that's on offer!

pinno

utgaardaolle wrote:

It´s been said before: Youth is wasted on the young.

Youth is also a condition which cures itself.

Anonymous

Rick Chasey wrote:

Come on people - behave.

Will's already discussed finding it difficult to find a job having come out of uni, and he's already made it clear in another thread he's taking finding a job seriously. Sounds to me like he just wants a moan, which he's allowed to do without being goaded!

I know not many of you have had the humiliation of coming out of Uni with a first, and then be denied working in any bar or shelf-stacking. I was, and it was bloody awful.

Awwww, heart on your sleeve there........nice dropping in you got a first (well done you). Humiliation, nah, preconception the world will fall on its feet at your arrival and when it doesn't graduates seem to get a bit weepy.

Will, do what you want mate, but remember if you post on here you open it up.........

rhext

garryc wrote:

Will,

I hate giving younger people advise 'cos it makes me sound sanctimonious and you'll probably not listen anyway.

But.

I left college and managed to get a job straight away - brilliant. I've never been unemployed, again brilliant. But sitting here over 30 years later I really wish I'd taken the opportunity and buggered off 'round Europe or wherever for a year or two.

Once you get a job, you'll start aquiring responsibilites rent/mortgage/standing orders/direct debits etc etc. Sure I can go on nice holidays but for 2 weeks at a time. I'd love to do LeJoG, 2 weeks easy but the Mrs wants a holiday as well. I'd love to follow the Tour around southern France and ride some of the cols but can't get the time off.

Do it now while you can. (but don't listen to me, what do I know?)

+1 If you can swing it, why not do a holiday season or two in Europe? It's got to beat shelf-stacking and if you're not careful you'll be 9-to-5ing a long time before you get to retire...... Won't look bad on your CV either!

MattC59

The other thing you have to remember, is that your mates aren't going to be in Manchester for ever. Don't hang around the place because they're there; pound to a pinch of sh*t, that if the right opportunity arrises, they'll prioritise themselves before you. Simply because they can travel to see you at other times. (I thought I'd soften the blow with that last sentence)

Friends are easy to make (unless you're a c*nt, and you don't seem to be), so go where the work is, join the local cycling club, make more friends and visit your old ones when you can.

rick_chasey

dmclite-2.0 wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

Come on people - behave.

Will's already discussed finding it difficult to find a job having come out of uni, and he's already made it clear in another thread he's taking finding a job seriously. Sounds to me like he just wants a moan, which he's allowed to do without being goaded!

I know not many of you have had the humiliation of coming out of Uni with a first, and then be denied working in any bar or shelf-stacking. I was, and it was bloody awful.

Awwww, heart on your sleeve there........nice dropping in you got a first (well done you). Humiliation, nah, preconception the world will fall on its feet at your arrival and when it doesn't graduates seem to get a bit weepy.

Will, do what you want mate, but remember if you post on here you open it up.........

I earned it, I'll show it off as much as I like .

I've said it before. My generation was told by everyone - teachers, career people parents, the lot, that a good degree gets you a good job. Can hardly expect people like me to think otherwise!

verylonglegs

Rick Chasey wrote:

dmclite-2.0 wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

Come on people - behave.

Will's already discussed finding it difficult to find a job having come out of uni, and he's already made it clear in another thread he's taking finding a job seriously. Sounds to me like he just wants a moan, which he's allowed to do without being goaded!

I know not many of you have had the humiliation of coming out of Uni with a first, and then be denied working in any bar or shelf-stacking. I was, and it was bloody awful.

Awwww, heart on your sleeve there........nice dropping in you got a first (well done you). Humiliation, nah, preconception the world will fall on its feet at your arrival and when it doesn't graduates seem to get a bit weepy.

Will, do what you want mate, but remember if you post on here you open it up.........

I earned it, I'll show it off as much as I like .

I've said it before. My generation was told by everyone - teachers, career people parents, the lot, that a good degree gets you a good job. Can hardly expect people like me to think otherwise!

I can understand the professionals telling you that but I'm surprised parents wouldn't temper such expectations a little, there are no guarantees and my old man certainly wouldn't have let me believe anything else.

Will's tale does have a slightly middle-class whiney sound to it I'm afraid, having to suffer the horrors of food and lodgings with his folks because there isn't a nice job available so he can hang out with his uni mates..hardly suffering, which is why some replies probably sound unsympathetic.

finchy

So Will, assuming that you are now looking for a job outside of IT just to keep you going, why don't you tell us what you actually would be interested in doing?

I second Disgruntledgoat's YHA suggestion, it's decent work, quite varied, looks good on your CV (you need to use your initiative) and you can save up some decent money because if you live in the hostel. There is also the considerable advantage of working in the morning and evening and getting most of the day to do what you want (e.g. cycle). You'd have to get an application in fairly quickly though.

pinno

Rick Chasey - phone call to Mum after graduating in Teutonic Information Tecnology Security and getting a job:

"Muzzer Schmidt; I gotz zis lovely Job viz the Britisk Cycling clutz making shure zey behave. I vill be dishing out ze shpankings and zey will be callings me 'Rick' for ze sekuritee purposes!"

disgruntledgoat

johnfinch wrote:

So Will, assuming that you are now looking for a job outside of IT just to keep you going, why don't you tell us what you actually would be interested in doing?

I second Disgruntledgoat's YHA suggestion, it's decent work, quite varied, looks good on your CV (you need to use your initiative) and you can save up some decent money because if you live in the hostel. There is also the considerable advantage of working in the morning and evening and getting most of the day to do what you want (e.g. cycle). You'd have to get an application in fairly quickly though.

Why thankyou!

The YHA was great for me. I'd come off a fairly crummy time straight out of uni, my cycling ambitions had been dashed on a 4 month racing jaunt in France, my plan to go to Sandhurst had also failed, I had no idea what I wanted to do, my girlfriend dumped me on my birthday etc etc.

Gave me, like you say, most of the day to ride my bike and look for a "proper" job, the people were great and I had a whale of a time. We were out in the middle of nowhere so we had to make our own fun. Everything went a bit M*A*S*H after a while, however and I had to get out before somebody died or burned the place down.

EKIMIKE

Have a look around for Marquee companies in your local area. They're usually after casual staff. It's what i do in the summer. It's like going to the gym 12 hours a day too so you get pretty fit.

All you need is a few £100's in your back pocket and you'll be able to go to another country and try your luck for something like a ski season. If it goes tits up you've got that buffer zone of cash to get you home.

I know how sh!t it is at the moment for people our age (i'm 20). I spent a long time desperately trying to find a job when i was 18 (i wasn 't convinced uni was for me so i took a year out to test the water in the 'real world') - it was always a case of 'you came across great and normally we'd take you on if we could but we can only take one person on and another of the candidates has more experience'.

Ironically the responses on here suggesting you are a lazy moaning mummies boy are indicative of how many employers view people of our generation. Hence why it's damn tough getting a job.

disgruntledgoat

EKIMIKE wrote:

Ironically the responses on here suggesting you are a lazy moaning mummies boy are indicative of how many employers view people of our generation. Hence why it's damn tough getting a job.

You missed off the bit about not being able to spell or punctuate. Some of the work I get in from graduates is embarrassing.