Hivemind needed....

rick_chasey

My bike's standard chainring I believe - since it was a works bike rather than the usual from the website.

Ben6899

notsoblue wrote:

Does anyone here actually feel they need a double? I've never had a problem with spinning out on my compact.

No. And for that very reason.

EKE_38BPM

Maybe it depends on terrain. Flipping the switch marked 'AWESOME' and engaging reheat on a descent could have me spinning out.
As I get fitter (which doesn't seem to be happening this year) I find myself riding faster and further up the gears. I could see better riders than me needing a proper double, but I don't think I'm quite there yet.
Also, some people may be a bit LiT and have "High Torque Legs" so need the bigger gears.

daviesee

EKE_38BPM wrote:

Maybe it depends on terrain. Flipping the switch marked 'AWESOME' and engaging reheat on a descent could have me spinning out.
As I get fitter (which doesn't seem to be happening this year) I find myself riding faster and further up the gears. I could see better riders than me needing a proper double, but I don't think I'm quite there yet.
Also, some people may be a bit LiT and have "High Torque Legs" so need the bigger gears.

How many times do i need to say it?

daviesee wrote:

50 x 11 is a bigger ratio than a 54 x 12.

rjsterry

Need? Possibly not, but having always ridden a 52T big ring, it's a difficult habit to break. I've recently changed to a 39T inner ring instead of my usual 42T and I've really noticed the bigger gap between rings, in a negative way. 34T would drive me mad.

daviesee

rjsterry wrote:

Need? Possibly not, but having always ridden a 52T big ring, it's a difficult habit to break. I've recently changed to a 39T inner ring instead of my usual 42T and I've really noticed the bigger gap between rings, in a negative way. 34T would drive me mad.

Someone finally got to the only problem with a compact chainset. Took longer than I thought it would
There are work arounds but I am contemplating a standard double for my next groupset. Either that or a 38 tooth if available.

EKE_38BPM

daviesee wrote:

EKE_38BPM wrote:

Maybe it depends on terrain. Flipping the switch marked 'AWESOME' and engaging reheat on a descent could have me spinning out.
As I get fitter (which doesn't seem to be happening this year) I find myself riding faster and further up the gears. I could see better riders than me needing a proper double, but I don't think I'm quite there yet.
Also, some people may be a bit LiT and have "High Torque Legs" so need the bigger gears.

How many times do i need to say it?

daviesee wrote:

50 x 11 is a bigger ratio than a 54 x 12.

So keeping the same cassette and using a bigger chainring would give higher gears. I know how gears work, I'm just expressing a different point of view.
In case you don't understand, 54 x 11 is a higher ratio than 54 x 12.

Would you like me to write it in red? Does that help you understand an alternative view point?

Ben6899

50 x 12 still takes some spinning out. It gives you 40mph at 123rpm, which for any London hill is quick and for any cyclist who knows how to spin is far from spinning out.

rick_chasey

Like I said, I think it's a standard chainring on this particular bike.


I'd have prefered a compact, since, y'know, I'm spinny and slow, but I'll settle for the manly gears. Won't need a compact if I cycle in and around London anyway.

daviesee

EKE_38BPM wrote:

So keeping the same cassette and using a bigger chainring would give higher gears. I know how gears work, I'm just expressing a different point of view.
In case you don't understand, 54 x 11 is a higher ratio than 54 x 12.

I think that I can grasp that one :roll:
Most people I know that run on standard double chainsets are using a 12-25 cassette.
Most people I know that run on a compact chainset are using a 11-23 cassette.

I don't know anyone using 54 x 11, even those who race.

rick_chasey

Kieran_Burns

rjsterry wrote:

Need? Possibly not, but having always ridden a 52T big ring, it's a difficult habit to break. I've recently changed to a 39T inner ring instead of my usual 42T and I've really noticed the bigger gap between rings, in a negative way. 34T would drive me mad.

You could invest in a triple....

52/39/30

Perfect for you.

bigmat

I think the issue with compacts is that the 34 ring is a bit small for most applications, and a big jump from the 50. I imagine if I got a double then I would get a lot more use out of the 39 than I get out of my 34. Reminds me, I have a 36 that I should make use of...

Campag are introducing new compact ratios I think, something like 52/38 I think it is, which could also go 52/36. Might be a good compromise.

Stevo_666

I quite like my 50/36 chainring for London and most Kent type riding, with 12-27 cassette. I only struggle on a few steep hills round my way and I haven't got 'proper' cyclist's legs. Also the 'jump' between the two rings is quite OK for me.

daviesee

Rick Chasey wrote:

Getting back on track. Excited much? :P

rick_chasey

daviesee wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

Getting back on track. Excited much? :P

Very.

New bike - met Stephen Roche at lunch.

I'm a bit over-excited.

greg66_tri_v2.0

BigMat wrote:

I think the issue with compacts is that the 34 ring is a bit small for most applications, and a big jump from the 50.

never really found this to be the case, although I tend to use a two handed shift coming from the 34 to the 50: at the same time I shift up two sprockets on the cassette. It makes for a much smaller gearing jump, and no, I don't drop the chain doing this.

greg66_tri_v2.0

Rick Chasey wrote:

So. That box. Stand it on its end.

Can you see over the top of it?

rick_chasey

Greg66 wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

So. That box. Stand it on its end.

Can you see over the top of it?

Funnily enough, my boss made EXACTLY the same joke!

FoldingJoe

So when's the maiden voyage, Rick?

Ben6899

Rick Chasey wrote:

Greg66 wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

So. That box. Stand it on its end.

Can you see over the top of it?

Funnily enough, my boss made EXACTLY the same joke!

And his boss is a bit of an arse candle by all accounts...

rick_chasey

FoldingJoe wrote:

So when's the maiden voyage, Rick?

Hopefully tonight. If not, tomorrow.

I'm hoping I'm set up enough to make my way to a Wheelers club ride on Sunday - which reminds me. Should drop them a mail.

keyser__soze

Better set off home soon, it's meant to pee it down this evening/tomorrow evening and you don't want it to melt on your very first ride.

rick_chasey

Keyser__Soze wrote:

Better set off home soon, it's meant to pee it down this evening/tomorrow evening and you don't want it to melt on your very first ride.

Yeah saw that.

Can't get out before 6. Oh well.

As long as I'm set up and comfy come Sunday morning.

Kieran_Burns

I'd say you'll get hit about 5:30 to 6 looking at the rain radar. I'm pretty much on the same schedule so I'm caning it on the way home tonight

rick_chasey

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greg66_tri_v2.0

Ben6899 wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

Greg66 wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

So. That box. Stand it on its end.

Can you see over the top of it?

Funnily enough, my boss made EXACTLY the same joke!

And his boss is a bit of an ars* candle by all accounts...

Oh, I dunno. We only have RC's word for that.

The boss sounds perceptive *and* funny to me.

Headhuunter

Fancy taking it out on the ride around London sportive again this year?

rick_chasey

Headhuunter wrote:

Fancy taking it out on the ride around London sportive again this year?

Haha, I thought you'd never ask after how much I slowed you up!

Sure - I'm a fair bit fitter now too .

Headhuunter

Rick Chasey wrote:

Headhuunter wrote:

Fancy taking it out on the ride around London sportive again this year?

Haha, I thought you'd never ask after how much I slowed you up!

Sure - I'm a fair bit fitter now too .

Excellent we'll fly round this time! I'll enter tomorrow....I'm cycling to Paris next Thu, Fri and Sat so I should be fit too...