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  • Art Vandelay
    Art Vandelay Posts: 1,982
    Thanks Rich. I'm surprised there's not been more mutterings about the new investigation. Off to google Michele's daughter...
  • The Kennington Kaiser
    The Kennington Kaiser Posts: 406
    Art Vandelay wrote:
    Thanks Rich. I'm surprised there's not been more mutterings about the new investigation. Off to google Michele's daughter...

    I'd be careful, it appears there's an Italian porno star called Michelle Ferrari. :lol:
  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    Art Vandelay wrote:
    Thanks Rich. I'm surprised there's not been more mutterings about the new investigation. Off to google Michele's daughter...

    I suspect because what's in the public domain is from last year.
    Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.
  • Tusher
    Tusher Posts: 2,762
    RIck, before this slips any further down the threads, any progress on the Internet Forum People's Podcast?
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 72,738
    Tusher wrote:
    RIck, before this slips any further down the threads, any progress on the Internet Forum People's Podcast?
    Erm. In short, it depends on some stuff going on with me and work.

    I'll let you all know, don't worry.
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  • petemadoc
    petemadoc Posts: 2,331
    Is there like a general consensus as to who or which teams are dopers?

    Many of the pro peloton seem to shy away from condemning dopers in public, what's that all about?

    Why so much suspicion on Spanish riders and teams, what about the Italians or any nation for that matter?

    Are team Sky considered to be cleanest of the clean or is it all just a facade.

    Thanks in advance for putting up with my newbie questions.
  • timoid.
    timoid. Posts: 3,133
    PeteMadoc wrote:
    Is there like a general consensus as to who or which teams are dopers?

    Many of the pro peloton seem to shy away from condemning dopers in public, what's that all about?

    Why so much suspicion on Spanish riders and teams, what about the Italians or any nation for that matter?

    Are team Sky considered to be cleanest of the clean or is it all just a facade.

    Thanks in advance for putting up with my newbie questions.


    I think if people were to guess cleanest team the likes of FDJ, Cofidis, Europcar and Garmin would come looooong before Sky.

    The forumites here seem to be most down on Katusha, Lampre, Astana, Radioshack and any Spanish team. Also people are now not happy with OPQS dominance over the cobbles.

    Personally I reckon doping is still rife and any speculation (mine included) is just that. Still love the sport though. People on the forum have set assumptions and don't tend to move from them (cf Frenchfighter, Biking Bernie, DenisNoward) and most (with one or two exceptions) don't have any more of a clue than you or I. A classic example of this is the unstinting belief that Sky and anything British has an abhorrence of dope.
    It's a little like wrestling a gorilla. You don't quit when you're tired. You quit when the gorilla is tired.
  • Tusher
    Tusher Posts: 2,762
    Most pro riders have a fear of 'spitting in the soup' because they might just need a place on that manager's team one day, and you never know when you'll have to co-operate during a race- you can't do that with someone you've just called a cheat. Also, they would alienate all the doper's friends and colleagues (which, in the case of a Spaniard, could be an entire nation).
    And last but not least- very few pro could afford to pay the slander/libel charges which could arise.

    So all respect to people like Marco Pinotti, who usually has a pithy tweet when a positive is announced.








    What they say in private though..............................
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,157
    PeteMadoc wrote:
    Is there like a general consensus as to who or which teams are dopers?
    There's more of a consensus about who's most likely to be clean. I'd pick the exact four teams Timoid did as most likely. The names Katusha, Astana and Lampre are likely to be near the top of most naughty lists. Radioshack too (but not me so much). Opinions will vary - none of us really have a clue. It's debatable as to whether team wide programs even exist at World Tour level any more. It's more 'wilful blindness' to use a topical phrase.
    PeteMadoc wrote:
    Many of the pro peloton seem to shy away from condemning dopers in public, what's that all about?
    In the main they'd rather concentrate on their own performances and talk about the racing. There's enough doping talk as it is, especially from outside the sport. They'd rather focus on the positives. Clean riders probably have no real evidence of others doping anyway and if they want to blow the whistle they'll do it privately.
    PeteMadoc wrote:
    Why so much suspicion on Spanish riders and teams, what about the Italians or any nation for that matter?
    Operacion Puerto, Heras, Contador, Valverde, Mosquera, Mayo, Liberty Seguros, Kelme, the general attitude of their Federation. It adds up to an unflattering portrait. The Italians seem to have improved over the last few years. Their Federation seem keen to bust cheats.
    PeteMadoc wrote:
    Are team Sky considered to be cleanest of the clean or is it all just a facade.
    They don't seem to have done anything dodgy yet.
    PeteMadoc wrote:
    Thanks in advance for putting up with my newbie questions.
    Try something easier next time.
    Twitter: @RichN95
  • DavMartinR
    DavMartinR Posts: 897
    This all reminds me of this article, and who knows maybe there was one clean Spanish rider?

    http://www.cyclingnews.com/blogs/jonath ... g-the-dots

    Its complex even for those on the inside.

    And Yes I know JV with all his skeletons, but I think you've got to play the ball not the man with what he's written.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 72,738
    Timoid. wrote:
    . Also people are now not happy with OPQS dominance over the cobbles.

    Speak for yourself.
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  • jimmythecuckoo
    jimmythecuckoo Posts: 4,712
    DavMartinR wrote:
    This all reminds me of this article, and who knows maybe there was one clean Spanish rider?

    http://www.cyclingnews.com/blogs/jonath ... g-the-dots

    Its complex even for those on the inside.

    And Yes I know JV with all his skeletons, but I think you've got to play the ball not the man with what he's written.

    The irony of that after Tondo's untimely demise...
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  • timoid.
    timoid. Posts: 3,133
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Timoid. wrote:
    . Also people are now not happy with OPQS dominance over the cobbles.

    Speak for yourself.

    Of course I don't include you in that Rick.

    In fact I have a suspicion that you have a mannequin with a cut out of Tom Boonen's face on it at home, Avid Merrion stylee.
    It's a little like wrestling a gorilla. You don't quit when you're tired. You quit when the gorilla is tired.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 72,738
    Timoid. wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Timoid. wrote:
    . Also people are now not happy with OPQS dominance over the cobbles.

    Speak for yourself.

    Of course I don't include you in that Rick.

    In fact I have a suspicion that you have a mannequin with a cut out of Tom Boonen's face on it at home, Avid Merrion stylee.

    Who needs that when you have FF in full OPQS gear?!?!
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  • greasedscotsman
    greasedscotsman Posts: 6,962
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Timoid. wrote:
    In fact I have a suspicion that you have a mannequin with a cut out of Tom Boonen's face on it at home, Avid Merrion stylee.

    Who needs that when you have FF in full OPQS gear?!?!

    You have FF in full OPQS gear, at home! Do you keep him locked in your wardrobe or under the stairs?
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 72,738
    greasedscotsman wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Timoid. wrote:
    In fact I have a suspicion that you have a mannequin with a cut out of Tom Boonen's face on it at home, Avid Merrion stylee.

    Who needs that when you have FF in full OPQS gear?!?!

    You have FF in full OPQS gear, at home! Do you keep him locked in your wardrobe or under the stairs?

    See my avatar.
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