10kg hard tail for £1000

rugnugdo
rugnugdo Posts: 68
edited April 2012 in MTB buying advice
Is there anything out there around the 10kg mark for £1000 or less... (not interested in rigid forked)
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  • YeehaaMcgee
    YeehaaMcgee Posts: 5,740
    Yes.
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  • rugnugdo
    rugnugdo Posts: 68
    YeehaaMcgee wrote:
    Yes.

    Thanks for the help... Funny man
  • Ibb1982
    Ibb1982 Posts: 30
    rugnugdo wrote:
    Is there anything out there around the 10kg mark for £1000 or less... (not interested in rigid forked)


    I would look at the Boardman Urban MTB which is on sale (250 off) now at 600. Bike Radar give it a heck of a review: http://www.bikeradar.com/gear/category/ ... m-11-45603

    Its kitted with some "Urban" stuff eg tyres and carbon fork, but you can get the off road suspension version for the same price I think.

    Urban here at 599.99: http://www.halfords.com/webapp/wcs/stor ... zone=PDPz1

    MTB Pro at 999.99 also has good review: http://www.halfords.com/webapp/wcs/stor ... PDPz1#tab1
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  • The Rookie
    The Rookie Posts: 27,812
    Not interested in Rigid forks.....doh!

    Frankly no, new I don't think you'll get a sub 10Kg for £1K. The Boardman Pro is a light bike for it's price and they say it's 11.56Kg.
    Currently riding a Whyte T130C, X0 drivetrain, Magura Trail brakes converted to mixed wheel size (homebuilt wheels) with 140mm Fox 34 Rhythm and RP23 suspension. 12.2Kg.
  • cat_with_no_tail
    cat_with_no_tail Posts: 12,981
    As above, I very much doubt it.

    The BeOne Karma is 10.4kg out of the box, and that's got a good finishing kit, very light frame, V-brakes and rigid carbon forks.

    Once you add pedals to that, you're looking at at LEAST another 300g.

    And that's (normally) a £1,600 bike.

    Even the BeOne CRD29 is 9.8kg (again, without pedals) and that's a £2,800 bike.
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  • Slow Loris
    Slow Loris Posts: 128
    Up until recently CRC had the Sunn Prim S1 on sale for £925, and that's quoted as 9.8kg. Out of stock now though, but there's always the odd bargain out there if you keep looking.

    Check out Pauls Cycles for Giant XTC or Scott Scale bikes on sale. Not under 10kg but pretty good for the price.
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  • rugnugdo
    rugnugdo Posts: 68
    Boardman's are tempting, spec is great and everyone raves about them but their depreciation and re-sale value is crap... If you drop £1000 on a Halfords Boardman you're lucky to get £500 6 months later...

    Currently have a Trek 4500 which weighs 15kg and really looking for a lighter ride, something easier on the climbs and perhaps faster geometry...
  • supersonic
    supersonic Posts: 82,708
    Split the bike - get more money that way. Even the frames go for reasonable amount. Far better than dropping 1k on a bike with 9 speed, steel forks and lowly bits.
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  • rugnugdo
    rugnugdo Posts: 68
    Canyon bikes and or ordering from bike-discount.de.... whats the deal? any had experience?

    Grand Canyon Al 7.0 @ 10.9kg - 1299 euros... any pros, cons?
  • chez_m356
    chez_m356 Posts: 1,893
    rugnugdo wrote:
    their depreciation and re-sale value is crap... If you drop £1000 on a Halfords Boardman you're lucky to get £500 6 months later...
    i think you'll find that everything depreciates regardless of the name on it, and why would anyone want to sell something they have only just bought ?, if you really want to throw money away, visit a casino
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  • rugnugdo
    rugnugdo Posts: 68
    Your'e right everything does depreciate but bigger brands hold their price and desirability for longer... you never know when you may need to sell something... that's why!
  • njee20
    njee20 Posts: 9,613
    Do they? I don't think they do particularly.
  • chez_m356
    chez_m356 Posts: 1,893
    rugnugdo wrote:
    Your'e right everything does depreciate but bigger brands hold their price and desirability for longer... you never know when you may need to sell something... that's why!
    then you would be better off keeping the money in your pocket in the first place :lol: as for canyon bikes, the only cons in my experience are ,waiting for delivery, and it takes longer to sort if there's a problem as its not a local bike shop, and don't forget the postage and packing on top of the price of the bike itself
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  • rugnugdo
    rugnugdo Posts: 68
    njee20 wrote:
    Do they? I don't think they do particularly.

    they do...
  • bennett_346
    bennett_346 Posts: 5,029
    rugnugdo wrote:
    njee20 wrote:
    Do they? I don't think they do particularly.

    they do...
    They don't, actually. The reason you see them selling second hand for more money is because people like you (wrongly) assume they can sell them for more, then realise they can't.
  • njee20
    njee20 Posts: 9,613
    they do...

    Based on what? With some exceptions I really don't think people will pay significantly more for a Specialized than an equivalent spec Canyon, and the Canyon will have been cheaper in the first place. If you're talking like for like value, then the Canyon will be better spec and probably command a higher price.
  • rugnugdo
    rugnugdo Posts: 68
    ACTUALLY......... LOL!!!!

    Bigger, renown brands keep desirability and value far better than smaller brands...

    If i buy a £10k Volkswagon or a £10k Hyundai which is worth more a year later?
    If i buy a £3k Rolex or a £3k Citizen which is worth more a year later?

    that's just how things work...
  • bennett_346
    bennett_346 Posts: 5,029
    rugnugdo wrote:
    ACTUALLY......... LOL!!!!

    Bigger, renown brands keep desirability and value far better than smaller brands...

    If i buy a £10k Volkswagon or a £10k Hyundai which is worth more a year later?
    If i buy a £3k Rolex or a £3k Citizen which is worth more a year later?

    that's just how things work...
    People in the bike world are more savvy than that. You can tart a bike up without paying for a frame brand if thats your thing.
  • chez_m356
    chez_m356 Posts: 1,893
    rugnugdo wrote:
    ACTUALLY......... LOL!!!!

    Bigger, renown brands keep desirability and value far better than smaller brands...

    If i buy a £10k Volkswagon or a £10k Hyundai which is worth more a year later?
    If i buy a £3k Rolex or a £3k Citizen which is worth more a year later?

    that's just how things work...
    you do realise that your asking a question about bikes on a bike forum, and getting answers from people that actually know something about them, but do feel free to make yourself look completely foolish :wink:
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  • njee20
    njee20 Posts: 9,613
    We're not talking about 'things', we're talking about bikes.

    Bad choice of words too, who sells more watches do you reckon, Casio (or Citizen) or Rolex? Smaller does not equal better, necessarily.

    The bike I took the biggest hit on was a very nice Titus, primarily because the market was much smaller, fewer people knew what it was compared to (say) any of the S-Works bikes I've sold. Despite the Titus being 'worth' more, I sold it for less.

    Still, as you have no real idea of what you're sort of bike you get for your money I'm going to totally ignore your opinion, as you don't really seem to have a clue! All the best.
  • concorde
    concorde Posts: 1,008
    rugnugdo wrote:
    Boardman's are tempting, spec is great and everyone raves about them but their depreciation and re-sale value is crap... If you drop £1000 on a Halfords Boardman you're lucky to get £500 6 months later...

    Currently have a Trek 4500 which weighs 15kg and really looking for a lighter ride, something easier on the climbs and perhaps faster geometry...

    On my lists of wants when buying a bike, the re-sale value is pretty far down on my list to be honest. Who gives a fuck!
  • njee20
    njee20 Posts: 9,613
    I vaguely consider it, but I usually change bikes every season, so most things are a toss up about whether it's worth it or not!
  • rugnugdo
    rugnugdo Posts: 68
    I appreciate the advice when it comes to bike technical and sales information, that i know very little of

    but to say I'm the one looking foolish? I initially asked about bikes, granted... then the thread went into the argument regarding re-sale, depreciation and brand power... its irrelevant of application whether it be a bike, car, watch... I'm simply arguing my point regarding buying a bigger, more commonly respected brand!
  • rugnugdo
    rugnugdo Posts: 68
    You guys know your stuff so can look beyond a sticker on a frame... but average Joe looking in the local ads at an advert for a bike is far more likely to call, look at or buy a Giant, Trek, Cannondale, Marin... a 'household' brand.
  • bennett_346
    bennett_346 Posts: 5,029
    rugnugdo wrote:
    its irrelevant of application whether it be a bike, car, watch... I'm simply arguing my point regarding buying a bigger, more commonly respected brand!
    No it isn't, for the last time.

    Now i am not going to reply to you because i can't be bothered any more.
  • rugnugdo
    rugnugdo Posts: 68
    bennett_346 wrote:
    rugnugdo wrote:
    its irrelevant of application whether it be a bike, car, watch... I'm simply arguing my point regarding buying a bigger, more commonly respected brand!
    No it isn't, for the last time.

    Now i am not going to reply to you because i can't be bothered any more.


    Your'e either stupidly rich or stupidly naive
  • njee20
    njee20 Posts: 9,613
    Size is not relevant.

    Jones are a small brand. Tiny in fact. Their bikes are bloody expensive, and should retain their value. Ditto Baum. Or Serotta, or Seven, or English.

    Apollo are a massive brand, they outsell Trek/Spesh/Giant/Scott etc, but their bikes do not retain their value, primarily because they're crap.

    You're looking foolish because you are the only one arguing a point and you're making daft statements which are basically wrong.
    but average Joe looking in the local ads at an advert for a bike is far more likely to call, look at or buy a Giant, Trek, Cannondale, Marin... a 'household' brand.

    That's my previous point that I struggled to sell the bike from the niche-handmade-in-the-US manufacturer compared to the mainstream Taiwanese stuff.
    Your'e either stupidly rich or stupidly naive

    Better than being just stupid though eh?
  • chez_m356
    chez_m356 Posts: 1,893
    rugnugdo wrote:
    You guys know your stuff so can look beyond a sticker on a frame... but average Joe looking in the local ads at an advert for a bike is far more likely to call, look at or buy a Giant, Trek, Cannondale, Marin... a 'household' brand.
    i understand what your saying, but it really isn't the case, just recently there were 2 2006 marin mount visions on ebay, both immaculate, had fox shocks, xt, the works and around £2500 when new, one starting at £500 the other at £1100, the first went for £550 the other had no bids at all, not hard to work out why
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  • YeehaaMcgee
    YeehaaMcgee Posts: 5,740
    njee20 wrote:
    Size is not relevant.

    Jones are a small brand. Tiny in fact. Their bikes are bloody expensive, and should retain their value. Ditto Baum. Or Serotta, or Seven, or English.

    Apollo are a massive brand, they outsell Trek/Spesh/Giant/Scott etc, but their bikes do not retain their value, primarily because they're crap.
    I'd actually hazard a (complete) guess that an Apollo will hold on to it's meagre value much better than an expensive bike.
    I bought my Marin for nearly £1,600, and even with all the upgrades and whatnot, I'd probably be bloody lucky to get £500 for it now. Less than a third of the original price.
    However, an £80 Apollo would likely still sell at around £40. Keeping half it's value.
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  • rugnugdo
    rugnugdo Posts: 68
    I'm not saying size of manufacturing output represents the size of a brand, Apollo is a household name but not respected...

    respected brands will 9/10 be more desirable to the Joe Bloggs buying a bike or anything else that he/she know little about technically...

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