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BikingBernie

camerone wrote:

BikingBernie wrote:

iainf72 wrote:

Still a chipper

But still out of Cavendish's class...

yeah he just goes for world champs instead.........

Only when they are held on on a 'sit in sprinters' course.

He certainly won't be winning Flanders or Paris-Roubaix...

ddraver

Sagan does not look happy on the podium...

camerone

BikingBernie wrote:

camerone wrote:

BikingBernie wrote:

iainf72 wrote:

Still a chipper

But still out of Cavendish's class...

yeah he just goes for world champs instead.........

Only when they are held on on a 'sit in sprinters' course.

He certainly won't be winning Flanders or Paris-Roubaix...

horses for courses. It really bothers me the way people spout rubbish about sit in sprinters. there are rouleurs, climbers, sprinters etc. all have their merits and talents. IMHO people who cannot accept that all different types of rider have an equal place and equal amount of respect due to them should find another sport to watch.

ddraver

Cav Interview....

behind the wrong wheel on the decet on the Kemmel, Nicki Sharp lost the wheel, thought top 25 was Ok over the Kemmel, next year will be top 10

hard race...try again next year

Not a happy boy (does nt look too gutted though)

Tusher

Cav calm in the post race interview.


I mean, he even *gave* a post-race interview. Politely.

ddraver

Gilbert polite too, but clearly disappointed...

emadden

EBH needs to grow a pair... That is all.

frenchfighter

Cancellara and Sagan attack:
http://www.sporza.be/cm/sporza/videozon ... /1.1254899

I really need to see a clip of this Cav move...

ddraver

Friere....

Did his best, boonen was best today, Headwind sprint, too far for him

squired

camerone wrote:

horses for courses. It really bothers me the way people spout rubbish about sit in sprinters. there are rouleurs, climbers, sprinters etc. all have their merits and talents. IMHO people who cannot accept that all different types of rider have an equal place and equal amount of respect due to them should find another sport to watch.

I agree. Surely one of the beautiful things about cycling is that there are different areas in which people can excel. A big 6' 5" guy can be a monster on the cobbles, while a tiny 5' and not many inches guy like Rujano can excel in the mountains. Or you can be a time trial specialist, or a sprinter, one for the hills, etc. No one type of rider is better than the other, they are just focusing on the area where their physical attributes are best exploited.

As for Cav himself, wasn't there something a while back about how his team did the usual pre-season power measurements and he was worst in the whole squad? I don't think he would try to suggest that he is the most gifted athelete in the peloton, but he can sprint fast and makes sure he has a team to help him get into the mix at the end of each race.

ddraver

Wow, boobies on Sporza! The Commuters must be having heart attacks!!

pottssteve

emadden wrote:

EBH needs to grow a pair... That is all.

Just watching the repeats on Sporza and he was being bounced around like a ping pong ball in a jacuzzi. Marco Marcato was leaning on him a lot, it seemed to me, so he did well to get 5th.

Steve

ddraver

Lizzie Armistead, broke away on the Kemmelberg and won solo - WHY WAS NT THE GIRLS RACE ON, SPORZA?

Interview..

Really Special - not expecting to win it solo

hard race, close together climbs - good for her...

OK, hockey on now...Tell you what, some of these Belgian girs are pretty foxy!

BikingBernie

camerone wrote:

It really bothers me the way people spout rubbish about sit in sprinters. there are rouleurs, climbers, sprinters etc. all have their merits and talents. IMHO people who cannot accept that all different types of rider have an equal place and equal amount of respect due to them should find another sport to watch.

Even in domestic third cat racing those who sit on the back of the bunch all day, or any break they get into, only putting their nose in the wind in the last 50m, are frowned upon. Of course it is a different story for someone who can both sprint and is willing to add to the racing by putting a bit of graft in.

ddraver

frenchfighter wrote:

Cancellara and Sagan attack:
http://www.sporza.be/cm/sporza/videozon ... /1.1254899

I really need to see a clip of this Cav move...

Did nt get much coverage, only the dying seconds of it got shown....

emadden

pottssteve wrote:

ping pong ball in a jacuzzi. Marco Marcato was leaning on him a lot, it seemed to me, so he did well to get 5th.

Steve

I think if he didnt slow his sprint to gesticulate he couldve done better... well... he could have done better anyway if he had a better line

ddraver

squired wrote:

camerone wrote:

horses for courses. It really bothers me the way people spout rubbish about sit in sprinters. there are rouleurs, climbers, sprinters etc. all have their merits and talents. IMHO people who cannot accept that all different types of rider have an equal place and equal amount of respect due to them should find another sport to watch.

I agree. Surely one of the beautiful things about cycling is that there are different areas in which people can excel. A big 6' 5" guy can be a monster on the cobbles, while a tiny 5' and not many inches guy like Rujano can excel in the mountains. Or you can be a time trial specialist, or a sprinter, one for the hills, etc. No one type of rider is better than the other, they are just focusing on the area where their physical attributes are best exploited.

As for Cav himself, wasn't there something a while back about how his team did the usual pre-season power measurements and he was worst in the whole squad? I don't think he would try to suggest that he is the most gifted athelete in the peloton, but he can sprint fast and makes sure he has a team to help him get into the mix at the end of each race.

it's known by everyone that knows cycling - ignore the trolls, especially the boring ones..

frenchfighter

ddraver wrote:

squired wrote:

camerone wrote:

horses for courses. It really bothers me the way people spout rubbish about sit in sprinters. there are rouleurs, climbers, sprinters etc. all have their merits and talents. IMHO people who cannot accept that all different types of rider have an equal place and equal amount of respect due to them should find another sport to watch.

I agree. Surely one of the beautiful things about cycling is that there are different areas in which people can excel. A big 6' 5" guy can be a monster on the cobbles, while a tiny 5' and not many inches guy like Rujano can excel in the mountains. Or you can be a time trial specialist, or a sprinter, one for the hills, etc. No one type of rider is better than the other, they are just focusing on the area where their physical attributes are best exploited.

As for Cav himself, wasn't there something a while back about how his team did the usual pre-season power measurements and he was worst in the whole squad? I don't think he would try to suggest that he is the most gifted athelete in the peloton, but he can sprint fast and makes sure he has a team to help him get into the mix at the end of each race.

it's known by everyone that knows cycling - ignore the trolls, especially the boring ones..

Sorry but not all wins are equal. Sure all these guys are impressive, but some are more impressive than others. End of the story.

pottssteve

emadden wrote:

pottssteve wrote:

ping pong ball in a jacuzzi. Marco Marcato was leaning on him a lot, it seemed to me, so he did well to get 5th.

Steve

I think if he didnt slow his sprint to gesticulate he couldve done better... well... he could have done better anyway if he had a better line

Ah, come on now. I know Singapore's a lot further away so you might not have seen the fact that he had no chance to hold a line.

Leave him be - he's a lovely lad.

RichN95.

BikingBernie wrote:

Even in domestic third cat racing those who sit on the back of the bunch all day, or any break they get into, only putting their nose in the wind in the last 50m, are frowned upon. Of course it is a different story for someone who can both sprint and is willing to add to the racing by putting a bit of graft in.

Do you mean that Professional Sport isn't the same as the amateur basement? Well that's a shock.

Next you'll tell me that Andrew Strauss doesn't actually make the match teas at Test matches and Wayne Rooney doesn't take the kit home to wash after a Man Utd match.

emadden

pottssteve wrote:

Ah, come on now. I know Singapore's a lot further away so you might not have seen the fact that he had no chance to hold a line.

Leave him be - he's a lovely lad.

i know I know... but he couldve done a "Renshaw" instead of lifting his hands off

BikingBernie

squired wrote:

As for Cav himself, wasn't there something a while back about how his team did the usual pre-season power measurements and he was worst in the whole squad? I don't think he would try to suggest that he is the most gifted athelete in the peloton, but he can sprint fast and makes sure he has a team to help him get into the mix at the end of each race.

Try sitting on the back of even a UK chipper race, arguing that you can't do any work because you have limited athletic ability, only to come past in the last 50m, and you will probably end up being punched in the face!

I can recall the days when people like Phil Thomas were masters at this. This was known as 'Doing a Thomas' or applying 'Scouser tactics'. This involved sitting at the back of the break saying things such as 'Errrm, I can't cum through, me legs are gone, I'm 'anging on here.' Once the '1km to go' flag came into view the rider 'doing a Thomas' would have a recovery the likes of which had not been seen since Lazarus took out a racing licence, attacking up the right hand side of the road not to be seen again until the prize money was being handed out.

BikingBernie

frenchfighter wrote:

...not all wins are equal. Sure all these guys are impressive, but some are more impressive than others. End of the story.

Exactly.

If every rider was intent on saving their legs for the last 200m the racing would be pretty boring!

ddraver

BikingBernie wrote:

squired wrote:

As for Cav himself, wasn't there something a while back about how his team did the usual pre-season power measurements and he was worst in the whole squad? I don't think he would try to suggest that he is the most gifted athelete in the peloton, but he can sprint fast and makes sure he has a team to help him get into the mix at the end of each race.

Try sitting on the back of even a UK chipper race, arguing that you can't do any work because you have limited athletic ability, only to come past in the last 50m, and you will probably end up being punched in the face!

I can recall the days when people like Phil Thomas were masters at this. This was known as 'Doing a Thomas' or applying 'Scouser tactics'. This involved sitting at the back of the break saying things such as 'Errrm, I can't cum through, me legs are gone, I'm 'anging on here.' Once the '1km to go' flag came into view the rider 'doing a Thomas' would have a recovery the likes of which had not been seen since Lazarus took out a racing licence, attacking up the right hand side of the road not to be seen again until the prize money was being handed out.

Rubbish, ride to win. Anyone that tells you different is trying to stop you winning - There's a reason it's called a race!

afx237vi

BikingBernie wrote:

frenchfighter wrote:

...not all wins are equal. Sure all these guys are impressive, but some are more impressive than others. End of the story.

Exactly.

If every rider was intent on saving their legs for the last 200m the racing would be pretty boring!

Er, isn't that what already happens in the vast majority of pro races?

frenchfighter

BikingBernie wrote:

frenchfighter wrote:

...not all wins are equal. Sure all these guys are impressive, but some are more impressive than others. End of the story.

Exactly.

If every rider was intent on saving their legs for the last 200m the racing would be pretty boring!

And more fans would stop watching and the economy of cycling will suffer and the riders will get lower salaries etc etc.

BikingBernie

ddraver wrote:

.. ride to win. Anyone that tells you different is trying to stop you winning - There's a reason it's called a race!

Perhaps such attitudes are a sign of the times, but I can remember the days when how you won was at least as important as winning itself.

ddraver

Sounds like a losers excuse to me...

Certainly can't think of any other sport where such an attitude exists, it s not like it's anything new either, or do you remember the Indurain/Armstrong/Cipplici/McEwan/Zabel/etc/etc eras wrongly?

frenchfighter

Seriously, I mean if you think about all the riders you can remember from days gone by, I bet the vast majority of them you can think off did not hide, ride wheels then pop up to win. Any Legend, created that from champion riding.

frenchfighter

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