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matthew h wrote:VWsurfbum wrote:Trulli of the early renault days yes, now, Na
Perez is a good call but i think Sauber will try and retain him as much as poss?
Maybe a trainee italian? not sure who their reserve driver is at the moment?
are Sauber still using ferrari engines? Maybe a driver swop?
perez is a ferrari academy driver... he's good, he'll probably take orders, and he'll be able push the team forward if alonso gets a dnf, massa doesn't look like winning a race, given the right car, i think perez in his current form could, either of the sauber guys could in all honesty, i would love to see kobiyashi in a quick car.0 -
Very much this!lawman wrote:i would love to see kobiyashi in a quick car.
I think i just had a moment!0 -
Massa hasn't helped himself again0
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What a bloody good quali, i thing the brits better watch out for Vettel! Sneaky sod on the Hard compound!
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Shock of the day was seeing MS in the top 3 after his dismal qualifying in 2009/2010.
Let's see how the race pans out, I still think the RedBulls will be the cars to watch0 -
Vettel yes, webber will still be a also run. Schumi could be a surprise winner, but i really want to see Hamilton run away with it and put the haters in their place!0
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VWsurfbum wrote:Vettel yes, webber will still be a also run. Schumi could be a surprise winner, but i really want to see Hamilton run away with it and put the haters in their place!
So anyone who dislikes Hamilton is a "hater"? Why don't you just come out with it and call them racists?
Button is the better driver, the better diplomat and the worthy team leader, but I have no respect for Mclaren and Ron Dennis at all. I do like Button and what he brings to the sport, but since Mclaren's blatant cheating in regards to the Ferrari car data which netted them a £50M fine, they can go to hell..0 -
No not racists, nothing to do with it, he doesnt help himself in this respect. Definately the most naturaly fast driver on the grid, as with alonso.
Button is ok, but complains too much and lacks fighting spirit IMHO, That said he has had some outstanding drives.
Vettel, good but i think he lacks the killer instinct that Schumi has.
anyway too much red wine laters0 -
What the hell has the racist card got to do with it? Thought we're beyond this. :roll:Raymondavalon wrote:So anyone who dislikes Hamilton is a "hater"? Why don't you just come out with it and call them racists?
Yeah, and had nothing to do with anyone else, Ferrari's hand in it in particular. Alonso too was nothing more than a cheating spineless git who blackmailed Ron over Ferrari sending data to McLaren, and all along was looking for a job with Ferrari, not before he'd got a job with Renault and was involved in the crashgate affair (he was of course found to be innocent as always).but I have no respect for Mclaren and Ron Dennis at all. I do like Button and what he brings to the sport, but since Mclaren's blatant cheating in regards to the Ferrari car data which netted them a £50M fine, they can go to hell..
And lets ignore the dozens of other affairs of massive cheating outside of McLaren where they got away with it thanks to the Ferrari Internationale de l'Automobile, and especially at the hands of (if we're pulling racist stuff etc) Mr. Nazi Mosely. Have we also forgotten how Schumacher used to drive? (specifically into people) !
Let's move on. The sport has. Now it's all just in the hands of Bernie, FIA and sponsors with the teams doing as they say, and purely about nothing more than money regardless of the racing. Stupid rules, waste of space venues, deals with low audience pay TV providers at the cost of mainstream TV, boring races, matters not so long as rich Arabs pay up. It was at least more interesting back in the days they were half killing each other.0 -
Interesting results indeed... have to wait for the extended highlights on BBC @ 14h45 to see what happened, but the race results make interesting reading. It seems as if a little rain upset the parade...0
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I wonder how sky managed with the 50min delay."Do not follow where the path may lead, Go instead where there is no path, and Leave a Trail."
Parktools :?:SheldonBrown0 -
fantastic race!!! well done perez, surely the man to replace massa at ferrari, i give him til monaco before he takes massa's place, another dismal drive from him. likewise karthikeyan, a shocking defence of a pointless position to Button, once again shows that these cars are simply not good enough to race against the others, a revision of the 107% rule is in order, im not a vettel fan but the HRT was clearly at fault for his puncture... these slower cars often ruin races and the fact was worsened even more so by the fact that neither incident was punsihed... a vast contrast to last season where lewis was penalised for seemingly the same incidents... more consistant penalties and get those excuses of for F1 cars that are the likes of HRT and Marrusia off the grid!!0
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Now I've seen the delayed BBC broadcast, well what a race it was.
The Button / Karthikeyan incident was nothing more than a racing incident, it happens.
Alonso once again shows the critics he is still one of the top three drivers out there, irrespective of Ferrari's car woes
Perez was brilliant, he was the driver of he day and the class of the grid today, I would have liked to have seen what the end result was if he hadn't of made that error towards the end
Hamilton, well not that I care, but he deserved his 3rd place and what's with the BBC's infatuation with Nicole Scherzinger? The camera must have pinged her at least 5 times during this race and even more in the previous (Oz) GP.
By far one of the best races I've ever watched since the Michael Schumacher / Mikka Hakkinen era before all the soft touch rules and single tyre supplier madness.0 -
Great race!
I agree that the HRTs especially should be taken off the track-they seem to come joint last every single race. What is the point of racing if you know you are either going to come 24th or 23rd(or maybe a little bit better if someone crashes)?
They are bad enough when they stay out of the way, but when they take out front runners(whoevers fault it is) it is extremely irritating.
That aside, great drive from perez, and from raikkonen(sp?) too. Seems much more interesting than last season.0 -
Then there'll be a couple of other cars at the back. Etc. Extrapolate your logic and you might as well have grids of six competitive cars.
Bear in mind that Maclaren, etc were all new teams at one point.
Can't actually see how Vettels problem was anything but his own fault, he overtook and cut in too soon. Tough sh1t.I don't do smileys.
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i'm not saying everyone should, as we saw today with perez and alonso, in quite possibly the worse of the midfield team cars came 1st and 2nd... the likes of HRT and marrusia are a standout point, more so HRT... i believe there should be a change in the regulations, lower the 107% rule to 105%, or atleast make the 107% rule valid from the pole time, rather than the quickest Q3 time, and make it mandatory you attend and fully complete atleast 1 pre-season test, the fact HRT did just 80miles or so before melbourne is crazy, bordering on dangerous. I'm all for new teams and all, but the fact is these guys are doing the sport more harm than good. Caterham have made a stem froward and I reckon by the end of the season could be challenging for points, they have always qualified, often beat atleast a Toro rosso or similar car in the races, and attend every pre-season test and seem quite comfortable with their finances. it is bordering on a joke what the likes of HRT call their F1 team, they may as well run a GP2 car their cars are so slow... the budget cap idea at £40m is one of the worst decisions ever to brought into the sport, it had the capability to bring in too many teams which simply can't afford too and lack the technical capacity to build a competitive car. they have spoilt alot of good races, I dare say had it not been for vettel and buttons incidents this race would have been even better. they spend so much time moving over for other cars they never really get a chance to put in a quick lap anyway. it is the same cars last all the time, yes they might get the odd position ahead of say toro rosso, but on the very rare occasion this does happen, it would be a miracle. I admire their guts, believe me, i do, but come on guys, they'd be better off running GP2 teams and giving that a good go instead0
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They just followed the footage to the end and still tacked on their hour long wind up after, though I turned off when they said there was an hour of drivel coming up.nicklouse wrote:I wonder how sky managed with the 50min delay.
Brundle & Croft were okay this time round, with Croft not being too shouty though making a few daft comments still.
Interesting the grid walk by Brundle. Whilst he still has influence I'm sure he's getting the cold shoulder at times as Sky just isn't as big a deal to many as BBC. RTL seemed to be getting priority in fact. Brundle decided he could rudely barge in to other's interviews.
Anyway, interesting race. Shame the front man once again just has a clear run though fantastic job by Perez for nearly getting there. Shame also that things again are decided in the pits.0 -
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Did anyone get the feeling that there was an exchange of inter-team orders between Ferrari and Sauber? Might be just me, but given that Ferrari supply Sauber's engines, Perez is a member of the Ferrari Driver Dev Programme and Ferrari have form for these sorts of shenanegans in the past, it wouldn't supprise me one bit that Perez cocked up that corner on purpose.0
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Tin foil hat time.I don't do smileys.
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Parktools0 -
An easily avoidable mishap a few seconds after a strange message over the radio?
They might as well have said 'Fernando is faster than you'.0 -
El Zomba wrote:Did anyone get the feeling that there was an exchange of inter-team orders between Ferrari and Sauber? Might be just me, but given that Ferrari supply Sauber's engines, Perez is a member of the Ferrari Driver Dev Programme and Ferrari have form for these sorts of shenanegans in the past, it wouldn't supprise me one bit that Perez cocked up that corner on purpose.
Yea, right..
No such thing, no driver would ever put his car off track on a damp circuit, he could have ended up ditching it and was damned lucky he didn't! It was race nerves.
I think Sauber's concern was if Perez caught Alonso and tried to pass, it may have ended in tears. Alonso is a double world champion and Perez is a second year F1 driver, Alonso is astute and he would not have ever given up first place without a fight. If this had happened, they may have taken one another out gifting McLaren with a first place.
I believe the 'order' was made on an informed decision. Ferrari had zero influence over the decision at all, it was based on common sense.0 -
Raymondavalon wrote:El Zomba wrote:Did anyone get the feeling that there was an exchange of inter-team orders between Ferrari and Sauber? Might be just me, but given that Ferrari supply Sauber's engines, Perez is a member of the Ferrari Driver Dev Programme and Ferrari have form for these sorts of shenanegans in the past, it wouldn't supprise me one bit that Perez cocked up that corner on purpose.
Yea, right..
No such thing, no driver would ever put his car off track on a damp circuit, he could have ended up ditching it and was damned lucky he didn't! It was race nerves.
I think Sauber's concern was if Perez caught Alonso and tried to pass, it may have ended in tears. Alonso is a double world champion and Perez is a second year F1 driver, Alonso is astute and he would not have ever given up first place without a fight. If this had happened, they may have taken one another out gifting McLaren with a first place.
I believe the 'order' was made on an informed decision. Ferrari had zero influence over the decision at all, it was based on common sense.
I'm not having that. The track was a lot drier than it had been earlier on in the race, and Perez had already proved himself able to handle the wet anyway by maintaining his position. I don't think experience has much to do with it either; two of the main incidents of the day were caused by sloppy driving from experienced drivers and world champions to boot. Besides, can you imagine an order like that being said to someone like Hamilton a couple of years ago, who was (and still is) an aggressive and reckless driver in his early seasons? You're right that Alonso wouldn't have given up first without a fight, but I doubt either of them would throw podium places away over a reckless manuever (it was Perez after all, not Kobayashi).
When all's said and done, the Ferrari probably would have outclassed the Sauber anyway; Alonso was tearing ahead of Perez on the straights. But watching replays of it on the BBC, Perez's mishap just looked too controlled, too neat. In the end I don't think anyone would really get that upset as it's a happy result for both drivers and their teams, all the while slinging mud in the eye of McLaren and Red Bull. But Knowing the history of team orders in F1 and the teams wanton desire to cheat as much as they can get away with, I can't help but call Bullsh*t on the thing.0 -
Believe what you want to then, you obviously have an insight to what happens in the background of F1 that most others do not.0
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It's the Tin Foil Hat. It tells me everything I need to know. 0
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The tin foil hat is to stop the gubberment tuning into your thoughts. I doubt you have much to worry about.I don't do smileys.
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Parktools0 -
My thoughts are mainly of you being the big spoon. I'd say that's plenty to worry about.0
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The reason Perez went off track during the closing stages of the Malaysian GP has finally been explained!
It was the monkey's fault...0 -
Raymondavalon wrote:The reason Perez went off track during the closing stages of the Malaysian GP has finally been explained!
It was the monkey's fault...
So nothing to do with Ferrari engines then....
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I dont think it was.. i quite like the 'monkey' explanation it sounds totally plausible0
