World's Greatest Footballer of all time.

CiB

SecretSam wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

SecretSam wrote:

On telly - where to start? Bergkamp's goal for the Dutch when he pulled it out of the air and cut back and shot was pretty good (can't remember who against)

Argentina '98.

Ta - that's the one - a real "f**k me, what a goal!" moment

He scored near enough exactly the same goal for Arsenal at Leicester the previous August in a 3-3 draw that Leicester really should have won.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEZQzGGFQl0

clarkey cat

Terry barely qualifies as a human being, let alone a footballer

I didn't know it was a pre-requisite

walkingbootweather

clarkey cat wrote:

Terry barely qualifies as a human being, let alone a footballer

I didn't know it was a pre-requisite

In that case can I place a vote for Squirrel Regis

lostboysaint

Ben6899 wrote:

I am a United supporter, correct. Does that make my opinion any less valid?

I won't be the only contributor to this thread who is still waiting for Messi to perform *like Messi* on the international stage. Ronaldo has been standout for Portugal for a good 5-years now, and that's a useful squad to stand out in.

I suppose these polls go one of two ways: we all have differing opinions and respect each other in having those. OR we concentrate on facts and make an objective assessment.

Yes, quite frankly it does. Because just like all the others you'll be incapable of seeing past anyone that hasn't worn the red shirt

Given that both have a hit-rate of 1 in 3 (ish) for their very average international sides that have won nothing it's interesting that anyone feels that there's any kind of comparison at that level. Everywhere else it's not really a comparison, although it's always good to hear the "it's because he plays for Barca" claim.

I have no problem with your opinion, although there's very little doubt that if you want to really concentrate on FACTS and make an objective assessment, there's only one choice. That'll be the one that European and World players and coaches make pretty much every year and will make again this year, regardless of who wins the Euros.

I have no problem with Ronaldo as a player, he's in the next ranks of truly great current players alongside Iniesta and Xavi but I'm afraid Messi is operating a level that is just above everybody else.

Ben6899

lostboysaint wrote:

Ben6899 wrote:

I am a United supporter, correct. Does that make my opinion any less valid?

I won't be the only contributor to this thread who is still waiting for Messi to perform *like Messi* on the international stage. Ronaldo has been standout for Portugal for a good 5-years now, and that's a useful squad to stand out in.

I suppose these polls go one of two ways: we all have differing opinions and respect each other in having those. OR we concentrate on facts and make an objective assessment.

Yes, quite frankly it does. Because just like all the others you'll be incapable of seeing past anyone that hasn't worn the red shirt

Given that both have a hit-rate of 1 in 3 (ish) for their very average international sides that have won nothing it's interesting that anyone feels that there's any kind of comparison at that level. Everywhere else it's not really a comparison, although it's always good to hear the "it's because he plays for Barca" claim.

I have no problem with your opinion, although there's very little doubt that if you want to really concentrate on FACTS and make an objective assessment, there's only one choice. That'll be the one that European and World players and coaches make pretty much every year and will make again this year, regardless of who wins the Euros.

I have no problem with Ronaldo as a player, he's in the next ranks of truly great current players alongside Iniesta and Xavi but I'm afraid Messi is operating a level that is just above everybody else.

Ha, fair enough. You can rest assured that I am not a glory supporter.

I agree with a lot of what you say, but I would suggest that the outcome of major competitions DOES colour the opinions of players and coaches voting for the Ballon d'Or.

il_principe

Who do you think is the greatest footballer of all time?

Messi

Who do you think is the best footballer in the World right now?

Frank Lampard.


Ok then, Messi.

Who is your favourite footballer ever?

Zola

What was the greatest goal you have ever seen?

Seen live (i.e not on TV) Eidur Gudjohnsen's bicycle kick against Leeds United http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e560WPbws1c or Frank Lampard's half volley Vs Bayern: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNXszJDJpOQ

clarkey cat

fooking love Super Frank

rick_chasey

Il Principe wrote:

Frank Lampard's half volley Vs Bayern: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNXszJDJpOQ

Some comment underneath that video:

if you didn't ejaculate over this goal, you're probably gay

Jay dubbleU

Bunch of overpaid divas all of them. Wouldn't waste my time watching any of them

Ben6899

Obvious troll is obvious.

lostboysaint

clarkey cat wrote:

fooking love Super Frank

Il Principe wrote:

Who do you think is the greatest footballer of all time?

Messi

Who do you think is the best footballer in the World right now?

Frank Lampard.


Ok then, Messi.

Who is your favourite footballer ever?

Zola

What was the greatest goal you have ever seen?

Seen live (i.e not on TV) Eidur Gudjohnsen's bicycle kick against Leeds United http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e560WPbws1c or Frank Lampard's half volley Vs Bayern: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNXszJDJpOQ

I see the comedians have arrived.

Jay dubbleU

Ben6899 wrote:

Obvious troll is obvious.

I'm entitled to my opinion

tailwindhome

er,I think Il P is serious....

Ben6899

Jay dubbleU wrote:

Ben6899 wrote:

Obvious troll is obvious.

I'm entitled to my opinion

That, you are.

tailwindhome

Ben6899 wrote:

I picked Ronaldo over Messi because of the international performances. I think he has the edge there.

I don't think either have been much to write home about at international level.

il_principe

TailWindHome wrote:

er,I think Il P is serious....

I am! Went for goals I was there to see, as oppose to armchair fan bollocks.

lostboysaint

Il Principe wrote:

TailWindHome wrote:

er,I think Il P is serious....

I am! Went for goals I was there to see, as oppose to armchair fan bollocks.

In that case, as I haven't voted yet, I'll go for any one of a number of Matt Le Tissier goals. The sublime 35 drive past Tim Flowers, the double flick over the defenders head before burying it against Newcastle, well the list goes on, and on, and on.

TheStone

Il Principe wrote:

TailWindHome wrote:

er,I think Il P is serious....

I am! Went for goals I was there to see, as oppose to armchair fan bollocks.

Ok then, Evans, Brentford v Preston
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55cduV455tU

rick_chasey

Il Principe wrote:

TailWindHome wrote:

er,I think Il P is serious....

I am! Went for goals I was there to see, as oppose to armchair fan bollocks.

Hero.

tailwindhome

Rick Chasey wrote:

Il Principe wrote:

TailWindHome wrote:

er,I think Il P is serious....

I am! Went for goals I was there to see, as oppose to armchair fan bollocks.

Hero.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Z4DAaQe7Q4

forgot about this one

il_principe

Good shout. Was actually there for that one too, but didn't appreciate the majesty of it until I saw the highlights on TV. What a player, and an utter gentleman to boot.

DonDaddyD

Last time I got tickets to an Arsenal match (Emirates cup this year) I was seated so high up I got a nose bleed. Glad I got to see him lift a trophy... (I'm being serious).

il_principe

Amazed no one's mentioned Zidane...

supersonic

Maradona is the best player I have ever seen. Today it is Messi. In his day it was Pele.

Best and Cantona have their places for many moments of brilliance, but Messi just keeps on producing it. He is not the best in some areas, are better headers, faster, but overall he is more than the sum of his parts.

This is one of my favourite goals, Cantona:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsUw5jtZZYA

The look on his face after says it all!

cyclingprop

I just don't understand the interest in Wendyball. Where is the "it's all @&#€" option?

EKE_38BPM

Favourite player. David Rocastle (RIP)
Favourite punch. Paul Davis (can't find it on Youtube)
Favourite goal. Michael Thomas to win the 1st division title against Liverpool.

porlyworly

Who do you think is the greatest footballer of all time? - Maradona

Who do you think is the best footballer in the World right now? - Messi

Who is your favourite footballer ever? - Gazza

What was the greatest goal you have ever seen? - Maradona's second against England in '86.

Favourite goal ever - Gazza against Scotland @ Euro 96

Messi and Ronaldo are both obscenely good and although they both play for ridiculously talented attacking teams are both genuinely legendary players and will go down as two of the best of all time. At club level. Which brings us onto why players like Maradona, Pele and even (fat) Ronaldo are regarded as the greatest - they consistently delivered on the biggest stage of all over and over again, something Messi and Cristiano Ronaldo haven't quite managed yet. On the plus side they both have at least a couple of world cups left in them and if not England (haha as if) I'd love to see one of these two lift a world cup as they are the best players I've seen week in week out in my lifetime and are both capable of single handedly winning matches on their own (which is why I picked Maradona - regularly destroyed teams both at international and club level despite "old school" tackling in them days).

squeeler

The Bergkamp goal in 98 was awesome, here's a youtube link that I've just watched to remind myself: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsZkCFoqSBs

...but surely the greatest ever must be:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0NT6aUwN8c

Gazza at Euro96 vs. Scotland, dentist's chair celebration and all! Football is no place for balanced analysis, for my generation Gazza was the greatest English and therefore World's greatest footballer of all time.
So there!

cjcp

Who do you think is the greatest footballer of all time? I'm minded to say Maradona because, like Cornerblock said, he carried an average Argentina side, and single-handedly beat both England and Belgium in '86. But it's Pele for me.

Who do you think is the best footballer in the World right now? Messi

Who is your favourite footballer ever? Ian Rush God.

What was the greatest goal you have ever seen? Carlos Alberto in the '70 WCF. It's football's equivalent of the Baa Baa's try against NZ.

asprilla

spen666 wrote:

Robin Friday


There is one for you to all Google

The Welsh Best, a man to be admired. Famously flicked the keeper the Vs as he dribbled round him.

Edit: not Welsh at all. I thought he'd played for Swansea for some reason. He gets bonus points though for kicking Mark Lawrenson in the face during a game.