Debate on cycling in HoC

phy2sll2

You can catch it here at 2:30pm

http://www.parliamentlive.tv/Main/Player.aspx?meetingId=10088

Not sure if it's on BBC.

phy2sll2

Anyone watching this? I'm struggling to keep up!

notsoblue

phy2sll2 wrote:

Anyone watching this? I'm struggling to keep up!

Yeah, its a barrage of ideas isn't it.

Positive though, so far. I don't know anything about the people taking part, are they *all* pro-cycling? Might end up just being a bit of a circle jerk?

notsoblue

First red light comment! Quite reasonable though.

phy2sll2

Aaah - we got to red lights!

EKE_38BPM

They do all seem a bit positive. Circle jerk is a good description.
Am I watching this on fast forward?

rick_chasey

EKE_38BPM wrote:

They do all seem a bit positive. Circle jerk is a good description.
Am I watching this on fast forward?

They're expected to know it all in-side out before they go in.

Cycling's not rocket science.

EKE_38BPM

Rick Chasey wrote:

EKE_38BPM wrote:

They do all seem a bit positive. Circle jerk is a good description.
Am I watching this on fast forward?

They're expected to know it all in-side out before they go in.

Cycling's not rocket science.

Yeah, but they're talking faster than seems normal or natural.

tetm

Yes! "Cyclists don't pay road tax". Facepalm.

EKE_38BPM

tetm wrote:

Yes! "Cyclists don't pay road tax". Facepalm.

She didn't handle it very well, did she?

Kieran_Burns

What was the response?

notsoblue

There should be a Cycling Debate drinking game.

EKE_38BPM

Kieran_Burns wrote:

What was the response?

She said that bikes don't emit carbon and don't damage the roads. Both correct (in comparison to a car), but just not very 'slick'.

rick_chasey

It's a weird seating pattern. Never seen anything like it.

Proper cross party. Seems parties cba to have a line on cycling safety.

notsoblue

Whoa, they mentioned the importance of a liability change...

Kieran_Burns

EKE_38BPM wrote:

Kieran_Burns wrote:

What was the response?

She said that bikes don't emit carbon and don't damage the roads. Both correct (in comparison to a car), but just not very 'slick'.

So neglecting to use the "there is no Road Tax, you blithering idiot" approach?

rick_chasey

notsoblue wrote:

Whoa, they mentioned the importance of a liability change...

High 5!

EKE_38BPM

notsoblue wrote:

There should be a Cycling Debate drinking game.

Red Light Jumping
Hi Viz
Helmets
Pavement cycling
Lights
Road Tax
Segregated lanes

Hear any of those, down a shot!

iPete

Embankment mention, heeere heeere!

EKE_38BPM

Blokey want us all to have Airzounds!

notsoblue

Cyclists need proper little hooters.

DrLex

Thanks for the running commentary; keep it coming - saves me switching over from Radcliffe & Maconie on R6.

EKE_38BPM

DrLex wrote:

Thanks for the running commentary; keep it coming - saves me switching over from Radcliffe & Maconie on R6.

Zac Goldsmith is proposing that the Thames is extended to Plymouth to take 14 lorries off the roads. I got that right, right?

CiB

Is the HoC debate the same as the 5L phone-in this morning? Have they started out with a good premise but it's quickly degeneratin into a series of anecdotes, half-truths & prejudices? If so, pull the plug now.

I phoned 5L this morning, not to make any specific point but to point out that what was billed as How To Make Cycling Safer hadn't even touched on the subject. It was nothing more than a couple of cycling protagonists and a procession of nutters who get angry at cyclists, building gradually but inevitably to the van driver who was last on who just couldn't grasp that if you overtake a cyclist who's doing 30mph and then turn left across him it's not difficult to see who's at fault, and it ain't the cyclist. Did I get on? Did I heck. At least I got to point out to the young Mancunian who I spoke with that Campbell has lost the plot and isn't driving the debate at all. Waste of time.

notsoblue

Its pretty positive tbh CiB.

phy2sll2

EKE_38BPM wrote:

notsoblue wrote:

There should be a Cycling Debate drinking game.

Red Light Jumping
Hi Viz
Helmets
Pavement cycling
Lights
Road Tax
Segregated lanes

Hear any of those, down a shot!

You forgot "Cycle Training"

phy2sll2

Uh-oh, it's being hijacked for the cause of steam railways!

EKE_38BPM

CiB wrote:

Is the HoC debate the same as the 5L phone-in this morning? Have they started out with a good premise but it's quickly degeneratin into a series of anecdotes, half-truths & prejudices? If so, pull the plug now.

I phoned 5L this morning, not to make any specific point but to point out that what was billed as How To Make Cycling Safer hadn't even touched on the subject. It was nothing more than a couple of cycling protagonists and a procession of nutters who get angry at cyclists, building gradually but inevitably to the van driver who was last on who just couldn't grasp that if you overtake a cyclist who's doing 30mph and then turn left across him it's not difficult to see who's at fault, and it ain't the cyclist. Did I get on? Did I heck. At least I got to point out to the young Mancunian who I spoke with that Campbell has lost the plot and isn't driving the debate at all. Waste of time.

No, its actually quite good.

Anecdotes include a female MP whose husband is her "knight in shining lycra" and who went for a tandem tour for her 50th birthday.
Commments include safer manhole covers, more training for all drivers (esp HGV), safer overtaking (motorists increasing the distance).
Fat bloke says he may start cycling.

EKE_38BPM

I think its half time.
Are they are going to get a drink, talk tactics and swap ends?

bails87

EKE_38BPM wrote:

Anecdotes include a female MP whose husband is her "knight in shining lycra" and who went for a tandem tour for her 50th birthday.
Commments include safer manhole covers, more training for all drivers (esp HGV), safer overtaking (motorists increasing the distance).
Fat bloke says he may start cycling.

It sounds like some of them might have actually thought about this..... :shock:

sketchley

bails87 wrote:

EKE_38BPM wrote:

Anecdotes include a female MP whose husband is her "knight in shining lycra" and who went for a tandem tour for her 50th birthday.
Commments include safer manhole covers, more training for all drivers (esp HGV), safer overtaking (motorists increasing the distance).
Fat bloke says he may start cycling.

It sounds like some of them might have actually thought about this..... :shock:

Or maybe, just maybe some cyclists have gone to constituency meetings or written to their MP about cycling issues. I know I've done the latter, although Edward Davey MP choose not to respond.....