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  • Richmond Racer
    Richmond Racer Posts: 8,561
    symo wrote:
    Positive this is nothing. Will all be done in couple of weeks. He has been requested to explain himself. Sheesh this is normally a private hearing. Why has this been leaked?


    Hope you're right. I think some intrepid journos might want to ask some pertinent questions about the leak. Have to say I could have done without David Walsh gloating on Twatter on Sat night about the story he was about to break showing that he's not Sky's bitch. Extremely unclassy of the man, left a nasty taste in the mouth.


    EDIT: OK so the filter didnt like that word. Try be-atch instead.
  • Turfle
    Turfle Posts: 3,762
    Richmond Racer wrote:
    symo wrote:
    Positive this is nothing. Will all be done in couple of weeks. He has been requested to explain himself. Sheesh this is normally a private hearing. Why has this been leaked?


    Hope you're right. I think some intrepid journos might want to ask some pertinent questions about the leak. Have to say I could have done without David Walsh gloating on Twatter on Sat night about the story he was about to break showing that he's not Sky's *****. Extremely unclassy of the man, left a nasty taste in the mouth.


    EDIT: OK so the filter didnt like that word. Try be-atch instead.

    Yep. And he most definitely sexed up the article to try and show the same thing.
  • bigmat
    bigmat Posts: 5,134
    Agree, poor by Walsh. A bit of gutter journalism supposed to impress us?
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  • dsoutar
    dsoutar Posts: 1,746
    I'm surprised Kimmage hasn't started bleating about it unless he has and I've missed it. Cos let's face it, Kimmage isn't normally quiet about these sort of things
  • Richmond Racer
    Richmond Racer Posts: 8,561
    BigMat wrote:
    Agree, poor by Walsh. A bit of gutter journalism supposed to impress us?


    Between Walsh's approach, and suspicions behind the timing of the leak, its difficult to avoid the notion that JTL's being used as a pawn*


    *if he's guilty, I'll happily retract that
  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    Richmond Racer wrote:
    BigMat wrote:
    Agree, poor by Walsh. A bit of gutter journalism supposed to impress us?


    Between Walsh's approach, and suspicions behind the timing of the leak, its difficult to avoid the notion that JTL's being used as a pawn*


    *if he's guilty, I'll happily retract that

    Pawn how?

    I was wondering if it was a way to manage him out of the team
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  • ozzzyosborn206
    ozzzyosborn206 Posts: 1,340
    displacedaussie wrote:
    squired wrote:
    Off at a tangent slightly, but given what Brian Smith has said about Garmin also looking at JTL last year I wonder whether he regrets not signing with them. I can't help thinking that he would've probably fitted in far better there.

    I think if anything he probably regrets not signing/staying with NetApp-Endura. Their eventual race program ended up being great and he would have been the team leader in most of those races too.


    i doubt his bank balance agrees with you on that one,
  • mike6
    mike6 Posts: 1,199
    EPO Delivery Man wrote:
    Richmond Racer wrote:
    Dear EPO Delivery aka Judge Jeffries

    How about waiting to see what comes of the review by the 3 person panel? and then the disciplinary hearing if it goes to that?

    Christ, you'd be marvellous serving on a jury. Skip all that nonsensical stuff about pleas, evidence, cases to be made in defence. Utter waste of time when you seem just able to determine guilt from behind a keyboard. Think of the amount of money that could be saved by legal systems across the world.


    I tell you what, if JTL is completely innocent i will take you out to a Specialized Concept store and buy you any bike worth up to £8000.
    If not, then you have to give me a lapdance (assuming youre a woman) :D

    Its win-win for you either way.

    What a merchant banker. :roll:
  • Richmond Racer
    Richmond Racer Posts: 8,561
    Quite. Not all the tools are kept locked away in the tool shed, it seems
  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    Quite a strange one. The story could've come from

    1) JTL himself
    2) UCI
    3) Sky

    1 seems least likely. 2? To what end?

    3 seems most likely. It could be their previous attempts at just wishing problems away didn't pan out so they've gone for a full on public thing.
    Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.
  • richa
    richa Posts: 1,632
    Except it's bad press. And they would have hoped the 3-man panel clear him and this all goes away.

    Unless they don't think he will be cleared by the panel...
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  • displacedaussie
    displacedaussie Posts: 356
    ozzzyosborn206 wrote:
    displacedaussie wrote:
    squired wrote:
    Off at a tangent slightly, but given what Brian Smith has said about Garmin also looking at JTL last year I wonder whether he regrets not signing with them. I can't help thinking that he would've probably fitted in far better there.

    I think if anything he probably regrets not signing/staying with NetApp-Endura. Their eventual race program ended up being great and he would have been the team leader in most of those races too.


    i doubt his bank balance agrees with you on that one,

    I said it earlier in the thread but I believe the offer he had from NetApp-Endura was worth more than the one he signed with Sky.
  • msmancunia
    msmancunia Posts: 1,415
    iainf72 wrote:
    Quite a strange one. The story could've come from

    1) JTL himself
    2) UCI
    3) Sky

    1 seems least likely. 2? To what end?

    3 seems most likely. It could be their previous attempts at just wishing problems away didn't pan out so they've gone for a full on public thing.

    Could be 2). Isn't JTLs agent Andrew McQuaid?
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  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    msmancunia wrote:

    Could be 2). Isn't JTLs agent Andrew McQuaid?

    Why would Andrew McQuaid give Walsh the time of day, let alone a story.
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  • nic_77
    nic_77 Posts: 929
    iainf72 wrote:
    Quite a strange one. The story could've come from

    1) JTL himself
    2) UCI
    3) Sky

    1 seems least likely. 2? To what end?

    3 seems most likely. It could be their previous attempts at just wishing problems away didn't pan out so they've gone for a full on public thing.

    1) Agree, unlikely
    2) Indirect attack / revenge on Cookson - to taint BC image. Maybe the timing went wrong
    3) A planned attempt to manage worse news to come, or to enhance the image of the Sky / Walsh relationship, in a 'hey our embedded journalist has found something (but that's all he's found)' kind of way. Effectively they would be sacrificing JTL (innocent or not) for their own 'gain' (but maybe they want rid anyway)

    Maybe there is a 4)... Walsh just got wind of the situation from within Sky) and ran the story.
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  • r0bh
    r0bh Posts: 2,436
    Tin-foil hats on everybody! :roll:
  • mroli
    mroli Posts: 3,622
    2) because more people at the UCI would know about it than anyone else and may have got a few quid to tell someone, because it would be big news in the UK....
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  • Macaloon
    Macaloon Posts: 5,545
    mroli wrote:
    2) because more people at the UCI would know about it than anyone else and may have got a few quid to tell someone, because it would be big news in the UK....

    And with the likelihood of changes at the top it may have seemed safer to leak about some hitherto invisible grunt anti-doping work much maligned by 'the fans'.

    Given Sky's incoherent PR history it's ambitious to imagine they'd expect to get away with knifing one of their own to save a few bob.
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  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
    iainf72 wrote:
    I was wondering if it was a way to manage him out of the team
    frenchfighter wrote:
    To be honest the thought did cross my mind that Sky just wanted a way not to have to pay him next year.
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  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    Macaloon wrote:
    Given Sky's incoherent PR history it's ambitious to imagine they'd expect to get away with knifing one of their own to save a few bob.

    I'm not sure they know about their own lack of competence in this dept.
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  • mroli
    mroli Posts: 3,622
    frenchfighter wrote:
    iainf72 wrote:
    I was wondering if it was a way to manage him out of the team
    frenchfighter wrote:
    To be honest the thought did cross my mind that Sky just wanted a way not to have to pay him next year.
    Do you SERIOUSLY think that Sky feel the best way to manage a rider out of their team is to get him involved in a blood passport case :roll:
    I think they probably could have just offered him a little pay off and to help organise a ride with NetApp with the alternative sitting on the sidelines wasting a year of his life.
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  • mfin
    mfin Posts: 6,729
    mroli wrote:
    frenchfighter wrote:
    iainf72 wrote:
    I was wondering if it was a way to manage him out of the team
    frenchfighter wrote:
    To be honest the thought did cross my mind that Sky just wanted a way not to have to pay him next year.
    Do you SERIOUSLY think that Sky feel the best way to manage a rider out of their team is to get him involved in a blood passport case :roll:
    I think they probably could have just offered him a little pay off and to help organise a ride with NetApp with the alternative sitting on the sidelines wasting a year of his life.

    I agree, this was like an excerpt of the crappest episode of Columbo ever, made me laugh.
  • mfin
    mfin Posts: 6,729
    Someone said higher up about tin-foil hats.

    The total amount of speculatory guff by people on this and the Worlds thread this week is something else.
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,695
    mfin wrote:
    Someone said higher up about tin-foil hats.

    The total amount of speculatory guff by people on this and the Worlds thread this week is something else.

    We re warming up for the off season, There ll be a "Cavendish is Finished" thread in a few days...
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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  • Macaloon
    Macaloon Posts: 5,545
    ddraver wrote:
    We re warming up for the off season, There ll be a "Cavendish is Finished" thread in a few days...

    He climbed off at the start of the circuits if I recall correctly: technically a DNF.
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  • il_principe
    il_principe Posts: 9,155
    mfin wrote:
    mroli wrote:
    frenchfighter wrote:
    iainf72 wrote:
    I was wondering if it was a way to manage him out of the team
    frenchfighter wrote:
    To be honest the thought did cross my mind that Sky just wanted a way not to have to pay him next year.
    Do you SERIOUSLY think that Sky feel the best way to manage a rider out of their team is to get him involved in a blood passport case :roll:
    I think they probably could have just offered him a little pay off and to help organise a ride with NetApp with the alternative sitting on the sidelines wasting a year of his life.

    I agree, this was like an excerpt of the crappest episode of Columbo ever, made me laugh.

    Hanlon's Razor applies here, surely?
  • Ed-tron
    Ed-tron Posts: 165
    Endura statement today:

    http://www.endura.co.uk/blog.asp?blogid=156
  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
    Ed-tron wrote:
    Endura statement today:

    http://www.endura.co.uk/blog.asp?blogid=156

    Nice statement. Good to see it different from the usual PR tosh that some of these teams spout.
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  • argyllflyer
    argyllflyer Posts: 893
    On Sky trying to bin him, JTL was involved in the two Canadian races a few weeks back and looked lively before his crash in the 2nd one. He was with Froome in Quebec right up to the final climb. He was picked for the Worlds. That would suggest to me that things were looking up, form-wise.
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,695
    argyllflyer wrote:
    On Sky trying to bin him, JTL was involved in the two Canadian races a few weeks back and looked lively before his crash in the 2nd one. He was with Froome in Quebec right up to the final climb. He was picked for the Worlds. That would suggest to me that things were looking up, form-wise.

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