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  • Remarkable
    Remarkable Posts: 187
    He will be back, that I have no doubt. I think it is also a good lesson to us all really, on how easy it is to over train when your chasing numbers on power meters and heart monitors. He is probably aiming at the Tour of Britain, but I hope he doesn't end up working for Wiggins.
  • Richmond Racer
    Richmond Racer Posts: 8,561
    Remarkable wrote:
    He will be back, that I have no doubt. I think it is also a good lesson to us all really, on how easy it is to over train when your chasing numbers on power meters and heart monitors. He is probably aiming at the Tour of Britain, but I hope he doesn't end up working for Wiggins.


    Serious question: what's JTL shown so far this year that makes you think he really could win again in Sep if made leader? And dont forget this year has a 16k TT on Stage 4 - not JTL's strong suit.

    This isnt me being snarky. Just genuine question.
  • inkyfingers
    inkyfingers Posts: 4,400
    I really can't see Wiggins riding for JTL.
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  • Richmond Racer
    Richmond Racer Posts: 8,561
    inkyfingers wrote:
    I really can't see Wiggins riding for JTL.


    To be fair he didnt go to Poland as leader either - he rode for Henao there. And I doubt he'll be going for GC at Eneco next week either - its all about the race miles and the TTs now.

    But I'm still interested in whether people think that JTL's shown any evidence that he could win next month
  • Remarkable
    Remarkable Posts: 187
    Richmond Racer wrote:

    Serious question: what's JTL shown so far this year that makes you think he really could win again in Sep if made leader? And dont forget this year has a 16k TT on Stage 4 - not JTL's strong suit.

    This isnt me being snarky. Just genuine question.

    I think with the form he showed throughout last year, anything is possible. Maybe he can turn it around this year, maybe not. But I would like to see him at least being given a chance.
  • inkyfingers
    inkyfingers Posts: 4,400
    Richmond Racer wrote:
    inkyfingers wrote:
    I really can't see Wiggins riding for JTL.


    To be fair he didnt go to Poland as leader either - he rode for Henao there. And I doubt he'll be going for GC at Eneco next week either - its all about the race miles and the TTs now.

    But I'm still interested in whether people think that JTL's shown any evidence that he could win next month

    No, I can't recall even a glimmer of form from JTL this year. He may have done some solid early bottle carrying, but nothing that suggests he deserves a leadership role.

    I know Wiggins has done some good domestique work over the years, but I just can't see him nailing himself for JTL, especially considering the attitude he has to the ToB.

    I think Wiggins could win Eneco with his eyes shut if he wanted to, assuming they still have the same amount of TTing as they used to. Understand why he might not though, if he's focussed on worlds TT.
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  • sportvan
    sportvan Posts: 105
    I really hope he can up his game very soon as otherwise I can see him signing for raleigh in the near future.
  • mroli
    mroli Posts: 3,622
    He's got another year with Sky, so depends what your definition of "near future" is... Besides, Raleigh have some good riders this year - Blain is a particular fav of mine.
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  • LeicesterLad
    LeicesterLad Posts: 3,908
    BLAH BLAH BLAH. Just stop it, please just STOP IT. Arghhhhhhhhhhhhhh. ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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  • dish_dash
    dish_dash Posts: 5,647
    LeicesterLad wrote:
    BLAH BLAH BLAH. Just stop it, please just STOP IT. Arghhhhhhhhhhhhhh. ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

    :lol:
    have you forgotten... this is an internet forum...
  • mike6
    mike6 Posts: 1,199
    Remarkable wrote:
    He will be back, that I have no doubt. I think it is also a good lesson to us all really, on how easy it is to over train when your chasing numbers on power meters and heart monitors. He is probably aiming at the Tour of Britain, but I hope he doesn't end up working for Wiggins.

    Why not? He is in effect a neo pro, why should he not ride for a GT winner?
  • Remarkable
    Remarkable Posts: 187
    mike6 wrote:
    Remarkable wrote:
    He will be back, that I have no doubt. I think it is also a good lesson to us all really, on how easy it is to over train when your chasing numbers on power meters and heart monitors. He is probably aiming at the Tour of Britain, but I hope he doesn't end up working for Wiggins.

    Why not? 1. He is in effect a neo pro, 2. why should he not ride for a GT winner?

    1. What? :lol:
    2. He is the winner of last years edition of the race. He deserves a chance to defend his title.
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    Remarkable wrote:
    2. He is the winner of last years edition of the race. He deserves a chance to defend his title.
    Ask Wiggins how that works out.
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  • Remarkable
    Remarkable Posts: 187
    RichN95 wrote:
    Remarkable wrote:
    2. He is the winner of last years edition of the race. He deserves a chance to defend his title.
    Ask Wiggins how that works out.

    It all depends on your Wiggins vs Froome stance.
  • mike6
    mike6 Posts: 1,199
    Remarkable wrote:
    mike6 wrote:
    Remarkable wrote:
    He will be back, that I have no doubt. I think it is also a good lesson to us all really, on how easy it is to over train when your chasing numbers on power meters and heart monitors. He is probably aiming at the Tour of Britain, but I hope he doesn't end up working for Wiggins.

    Why not? 1. He is in effect a neo pro, 2. why should he not ride for a GT winner?

    1. What? :lol:
    2. He is the winner of last years edition of the race. He deserves a chance to defend his title.

    So you are saying Wiggins is not a Sky team leader and that JTL is not in his first season with the big boys? Oh, and struggling, I might add. :D
  • argyllflyer
    argyllflyer Posts: 893
    With the Worlds TT being so soon after ToB finishes, I don't expect Sir Wiggo to finish. Could be wrong though of course!
  • Remarkable
    Remarkable Posts: 187
    mike6 wrote:
    Remarkable wrote:
    mike6 wrote:
    Remarkable wrote:
    He will be back, that I have no doubt. I think it is also a good lesson to us all really, on how easy it is to over train when your chasing numbers on power meters and heart monitors. He is probably aiming at the Tour of Britain, but I hope he doesn't end up working for Wiggins.

    Why not? 1. He is in effect a neo pro, 2. why should he not ride for a GT winner?

    1. What? :lol:
    2. He is the winner of last years edition of the race. He deserves a chance to defend his title.

    So you are saying Wiggins is not a Sky team leader and that JTL is not in his first season with the big boys? Oh, and struggling, I might add. :D

    Don't be getting so worked up about it! ;)

    Sooo ..where exactly have I said Wiggins is not "a Sky team leader"?
    And also.. he won the ToB King of the Mountains & overall along with numerous other races throughout Europe as an amateur :?: :? :?
  • mike6
    mike6 Posts: 1,199
    Remarkable wrote:
    mike6 wrote:
    Remarkable wrote:
    mike6 wrote:
    Remarkable wrote:
    He will be back, that I have no doubt. I think it is also a good lesson to us all really, on how easy it is to over train when your chasing numbers on power meters and heart monitors. He is probably aiming at the Tour of Britain, but I hope he doesn't end up working for Wiggins.

    Why not? 1. He is in effect a neo pro, 2. why should he not ride for a GT winner?

    1. What? :lol:
    2. He is the winner of last years edition of the race. He deserves a chance to defend his title.

    So you are saying Wiggins is not a Sky team leader and that JTL is not in his first season with the big boys? Oh, and struggling, I might add. :D

    Don't be getting so worked up about it! ;)

    Sooo ..where exactly have I said Wiggins is not "a Sky team leader"?
    And also.. he won the ToB King of the Mountains & overall along with numerous other races throughout Europe as an amateur :?: :? :?

    Not worked up at all mate, just putting my point over, like you. You said I hope he doesn't end up wortking for Wiggins, and I said why not?
    I'm sure we can discuss that without getting worked up. :D
  • gpreeves
    gpreeves Posts: 454
    Remarkable wrote:
    mike6 wrote:
    Remarkable wrote:
    mike6 wrote:
    Remarkable wrote:
    He will be back, that I have no doubt. I think it is also a good lesson to us all really, on how easy it is to over train when your chasing numbers on power meters and heart monitors. He is probably aiming at the Tour of Britain, but I hope he doesn't end up working for Wiggins.

    Why not? 1. He is in effect a neo pro, 2. why should he not ride for a GT winner?

    1. What? :lol:
    2. He is the winner of last years edition of the race. He deserves a chance to defend his title.

    So you are saying Wiggins is not a Sky team leader and that JTL is not in his first season with the big boys? Oh, and struggling, I might add. :D

    Don't be getting so worked up about it! ;)

    Sooo ..where exactly have I said Wiggins is not "a Sky team leader"?
    And also.. he won the ToB King of the Mountains & overall along with numerous other races throughout Europe as an amateur :?: :? :?

    Sorry to be pedantic, but he wasn't actually an amateur when he won those, just a Continental level pro. As far as I can tell he only won one European race as an amateur - the GP de Rocheville in 2005.
  • argyllflyer
    argyllflyer Posts: 893
    http://www.ciclismointernacional.com/?p=4162

    Not seen this posted: JTL interview discussing what's gone wrong in 2013
  • Remarkable
    Remarkable Posts: 187
    mike6 wrote:

    Not worked up at all mate, just putting my point over, like you. You said I hope he doesn't end up wortking for Wiggins, and I said why not?
    I'm sure we can discuss that without getting worked up. :D

    Glad to hear it. :)
  • Remarkable
    Remarkable Posts: 187
    gpreeves wrote:
    Remarkable wrote:

    Sooo ..where exactly have I said Wiggins is not "a Sky team leader"?
    And also.. he won the ToB King of the Mountains & overall along with numerous other races throughout Europe as an amateur :?: :? :?

    Sorry to be pedantic, but he wasn't actually an amateur when he won those, just a Continental level pro. As far as I can tell he only won one European race as an amateur - the GP de Rocheville in 2005.

    Sorry, I was being a bit sarcastic there. :) Mike6 reckons JTL is a neo pro this year because he joined Sky, but I disagree since he has been riding as a pro since 2009 ish and has raced and finished ahead of some of the best riders in the world in previous years.
    argyllflyer wrote:
    http://www.ciclismointernacional.com/?p=4162

    Not seen this posted: JTL interview discussing what's gone wrong in 2013

    Thanks for the link. He doesn't mention the ToB for his upcoming races. So I guess he definitely won't be defending his title now anyway. :cry:
  • mike6
    mike6 Posts: 1,199
    Remarkable wrote:
    gpreeves wrote:
    Remarkable wrote:

    Sooo ..where exactly have I said Wiggins is not "a Sky team leader"?
    And also.. he won the ToB King of the Mountains & overall along with numerous other races throughout Europe as an amateur :?: :? :?

    Sorry to be pedantic, but he wasn't actually an amateur when he won those, just a Continental level pro. As far as I can tell he only won one European race as an amateur - the GP de Rocheville in 2005.

    Sorry, I was being a bit sarcastic there. :) Mike6 reckons JTL is a neo pro this year because he joined Sky, but I disagree since he has been riding as a pro since 2009 ish and has raced and finished ahead of some of the best riders in the world in previous years.
    argyllflyer wrote:
    http://www.ciclismointernacional.com/?p=4162

    Not seen this posted: JTL interview discussing what's gone wrong in 2013

    Thanks for the link. He doesn't mention the ToB for his upcoming races. So I guess he definitely won't be defending his title now anyway. :cry:

    Wrong,I said "In effect" he is a neo pro. :D
  • ozzzyosborn206
    ozzzyosborn206 Posts: 1,340
    Remarkable wrote:
    gpreeves wrote:
    Remarkable wrote:

    Sooo ..where exactly have I said Wiggins is not "a Sky team leader"?
    And also.. he won the ToB King of the Mountains & overall along with numerous other races throughout Europe as an amateur :?: :? :?

    Sorry to be pedantic, but he wasn't actually an amateur when he won those, just a Continental level pro. As far as I can tell he only won one European race as an amateur - the GP de Rocheville in 2005.

    Sorry, I was being a bit sarcastic there. :) Mike6 reckons JTL is a neo pro this year because he joined Sky, but I disagree since he has been riding as a pro since 2009 ish and has raced and finished ahead of some of the best riders in the world in previous years.
    argyllflyer wrote:
    http://www.ciclismointernacional.com/?p=4162

    Not seen this posted: JTL interview discussing what's gone wrong in 2013

    Thanks for the link. He doesn't mention the ToB for his upcoming races. So I guess he definitely won't be defending his title now anyway. :cry:

    I think he is classed as a neo-pro as before he only rode for continental teams, which is why he was given a two year contract. Most do not consider continental riders as proper pros
  • argyllflyer
    argyllflyer Posts: 893
    ozzzyosborn206 wrote:

    I think he is classed as a neo-pro as before he only rode for continental teams, which is why he was given a two year contract. Most do not consider continental riders as proper pros

    If a rider rides for a living he is a full time professional surely, regardless of the division his team is in? Of the British Continental teams, some of the teams have squads of riders that don't have a job (Rapha etc). Others are part-timers.
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    argyllflyer wrote:
    ozzzyosborn206 wrote:

    I think he is classed as a neo-pro as before he only rode for continental teams, which is why he was given a two year contract. Most do not consider continental riders as proper pros

    If a rider rides for a living he is a full time professional surely, regardless of the division his team is in? Of the British Continental teams, some of the teams have squads of riders that don't have a job (Rapha etc). Others are part-timers.
    Neo pro (or 'new professional') is specifically defined in the Joint agreement between the UCI and CPA. Seasons at continental teams don't count. A rider is a neo-pro when he debuts at WT or Pro Conti (he also has to under 26 - which JTL wasn't). So Mike6 was spot on.
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  • mike6
    mike6 Posts: 1,199
    RichN95 wrote:
    argyllflyer wrote:
    ozzzyosborn206 wrote:

    I think he is classed as a neo-pro as before he only rode for continental teams, which is why he was given a two year contract. Most do not consider continental riders as proper pros

    If a rider rides for a living he is a full time professional surely, regardless of the division his team is in? Of the British Continental teams, some of the teams have squads of riders that don't have a job (Rapha etc). Others are part-timers.
    Neo pro (or 'new professional') is specifically defined in the Joint agreement between the UCI and CPA. Seasons at continental teams don't count. A rider is a neo-pro when he debuts at WT or Pro Conti (he also has to under 26 - which JTL wasn't). So Mike6 was spot on.

    So Mike6 was spot on. Hooray.......there is a first time for everything. I may as well stop posting on here now cos I am never going to scale these heights again. :D:D:D
  • mroli
    mroli Posts: 3,622
    Has anyone posted these "The Ride" videos - interesting interview, even if poor old Matt Stephens is put under the cosh a little: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYpiy3ZTG6g

    and part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbTIo9_2hRs
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  • jimmythecuckoo
    jimmythecuckoo Posts: 4,718
    So no Vuelta for JTL.
    On form he might have had a stage win in him.
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  • SpokeyDokeyBlog
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    cougie wrote:
    Anyone remember Dag Otto Lauritzen ? Rode for 7-11 and he was about 30 before he turned pro. Still managed something like 8 TdFs.

    I think he had to lie about his age to get his initial pro contract too!
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