Contador Ruling

cajun_cyclist

As a side issue, I wonder if Diet meds add up to being Performance enhancers, truly, less weight will generally help a cyclists peformance.

Look at football and the way, I believe Toure was busted for a diet pill and said it was his wife's. This Brazilian Adriano is in the news about putting on the weight and his team chaining him in his hotel room to not eat! Pretty radical.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba ... eight.html

Many of us if not most battle the bulge and exercise can send appetites through the roof.

---

Marca has about 3 articles on AC today about all of this.

The Butcher of Irun, NOT to be confused with the Barber of Seville, says he believes AC was looking for a "coartada" in his beef. What is a "coartada" which sounds so much like the English word "cut"? Doesn't have to do with that word, "Coartada" apparently means ALIBI. Story: http://www.marca.com/2012/02/10/ciclism ... 78665.html
New word for me. So to repeat, Zabaleta, the butcher says AC is just looking for an alibi in his meat. Zabaleta says he's satisfied and "peaceful", tranquil with the CAS ruling, great friends AC? Huh?

http://www.marca.com/2012/02/10/ciclism ... 87293.html Here Alberto says "Sacrifice is OUR secret". Okay, FF covered this one.

This quote: "Canal Plus Francia, donde la imagen de Contador, Nadal y Gasol se asociaba al dopaje." Related to the below story, it seems the French TV channel Canal Plus is making fun of Contador, tennis player Nadal and basketball player Gasol and showed their image and associated it with doping.

http://www.marca.com/2012/02/10/tenis/1328863874.html More on the channel in neighbouring France doing a parody, satire on some of the Spanish athletes after the Contador ruling came out.

"Las burlas a Nadal, Pau Gasol, Iker Casillas y el propio Contador, que aún continuaron un episodio más en la tarde de este jueves -poniendo una desafortunada letra relacionada con el dopaje sanguíneo al himno español- han transcendido el ámbito del deporte para llegar a la máxima instancia." "The jokes were of Nadal, Paul Gasol (basketballer, LA Lakers), Iker Casillas, Spain goalkeeper and Contador, saying something like they made fun of these guys while playing the Spanish National Anthem.

Also says this "desde Canal + Francia ha martilleado a los principales iconos del deporte español actual desde el pasado lunes, cuando se conoció la sentencia del TAS en el caso Contador, y que no ha despertado sonrisa alguna en nuestro país." Since Canal Plus of France has Hammered principal Spanish Sports icons since last Monday when the CAS sentence on Contador became known and it has not left OUR (nuestro) country smiling. They continued the attacks on Tuesday too the article says.

Odd stuff here. Gasol the basketball player?? Never though of him and doping but they also mention Nadal. Perhaps there are suspicions of him. But this is outside of the cycling world for the most part.

Well, we have some people from France on this board, maybe someone saw this.

More to read later, guess you had to be there.

No_Ta_Doctor

Nadal was named by a French newspaper in connection with Puerto. He threatened to sue but never did.

andrewjoseph

this one explains things quite well.

http://velonews.competitor.com/2012/02/news/opinion-not-so-black-and-white_206116

RichN95.

No tA Doctor wrote:

CAS also confirmed that they hadn't allowed WADA to present a witness with "severe" allegations dating from 05-06.

Interesting stuff, and all on the record.

There was some more stuff about that I read from the news wires that wasn't in the report.

C+P from Reuters:

REUTERS - Sources within CAS have claimed that Alberto Contador's lawyers called their own protected witness during the Spanish cyclist's recent doping hearing. The man, of indeterminate age and identified only as Witness F, testified that Contador was "True Champion" and a "Heavyweight". He added that prosecution witness Michael Ashenden was "ignorant and a lightweight" and that WADA's David Howman did not have a high enough post count to be taken seriously. Under cross examination by the prosecution, Witness F stated that he "had told them not to respond and he wasn't listening to anything they said". Over seven thousand photos of Contador owned by Witness F were deemed inadmissable due to gross copyright infringement

cajun_cyclist

Over seven thousand photos of Contador owned by Witness F were deemed inadmissable due to gross copyright infringement

Witness F? Over seven thousand photos??

FrenchFighter, you sure are knowledgeable on this subject alright!!

---

NotaDoctor: Also thanked you for your answer, original post did not take.

No_Ta_Doctor

RichN95 wrote:

There was some more stuff about that I read from the news wires that wasn't in the report.

C+P from Reuters:

REUTERS - Sources within CAS have claimed that Alberto Contador's lawyers called their own protected witness during the Spanish cyclist's recent doping hearing. The man, of indeterminate age and identified only as Witness F, testified that Contador was "True Champion" and a "Heavyweight". He added that prosecution witness Michael Ashenden was "ignorant and a lightweight" and that WADA's David Howman did not have a high enough post count to be taken seriously. Under cross examination by the prosecution, Witness F stated that he "had told them not to respond and he wasn't listening to anything they said". Over seven thousand photos of Contador owned by Witness F were deemed inadmissable due to gross copyright infringement

Cruel but fair. And very funny.

ratsbeyfus

Early nominee for thread of the year.

andrewjoseph

RichN95 wrote:

No tA Doctor wrote:

CAS also confirmed that they hadn't allowed WADA to present a witness with "severe" allegations dating from 05-06.

Interesting stuff, and all on the record.

There was some more stuff about that I read from the news wires that wasn't in the report.

C+P from Reuters:

REUTERS - Sources within CAS have claimed that Alberto Contador's lawyers called their own protected witness during the Spanish cyclist's recent doping hearing. The man, of indeterminate age and identified only as Witness F, testified that Contador was "True Champion" and a "Heavyweight". He added that prosecution witness Michael Ashenden was "ignorant and a lightweight" and that WADA's David Howman did not have a high enough post count to be taken seriously. Under cross examination by the prosecution, Witness F stated that he "had told them not to respond and he wasn't listening to anything they said". Over seven thousand photos of Contador owned by Witness F were deemed inadmissable due to gross copyright infringement

Had me fooled, had to read it at least once to get the message!

mfin

RichN95 wrote:

REUTERS - Sources within CAS have claimed that Alberto Contador's lawyers called their own protected witness during the Spanish cyclist's recent doping hearing. The man, of indeterminate age and identified only as Witness F, testified that Contador was "True Champion" and a "Heavyweight". He added that prosecution witness Michael Ashenden was "ignorant and a lightweight" and that WADA's David Howman did not have a high enough post count to be taken seriously. Under cross examination by the prosecution, Witness F stated that he "had told them not to respond and he wasn't listening to anything they said". Over seven thousand photos of Contador owned by Witness F were deemed inadmissable due to gross copyright infringement

Its disgusting how Contador's lawyers weren't allowed to bring this witness testimony to the table fairly by the prosecution, it just shows how low these people will stoop, they do not show the qualities of decent human beings.

mfin

http://www.cyclingnews.com/blogs/pink-admiral-the-blog-of-michele-acquarone-and-the-rcs-team/the-contador-case-and-the-giro-ditalia

NicFrance

cajun_cyclist wrote:

maybe someone saw this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNOuZofu82g&feature=player_embedded

mfin

NicFrance wrote:

cajun_cyclist wrote:

maybe someone saw this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNOuZofu82g&feature=player_embedded

Anyone got an English translation of it?

...and if someone does, Id love to know what this one says!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsC9ooy0o_A

NicFrance

Anyone got an English translation of it?

Speaker:
A.C. receives more and more support. In his hometown a march has been organized and apparently there will even be made a videoclip by some sportsmen.

song:
I ride with the blood of the toro
e viva...
They call me "The king of EPO"
...
There are 15L of blood stored in my fridge
...
I ride faster than the motorbike
...
I'm as charged as Jeannie Longo
Espana por favor!

Speaker:
They've got an incredible energy to defend Contador, i wonder where it comes from.


The other one is about donating blood, that can make you win the tour. (Sorry, my player did not work with this one, so i missed the end.)

Bakunin

Is that poor professor still on hunger strike in Spain?

He's bound to be as thin as Berto by now.

cajun_cyclist

The French channel posted satire, parody, so did Rich in his Reuters article, I think both are for the most part just fun and humour. I wouldn't look any further into it than that. You do have to wonder some about Spain's recent sporting successes but nothing unseemly in doing so. Just in my opinion.

B3rnieMac

Coming out of the woodwork here, but the idea of FF being some young, up and coming Patrick Bateman type investment banker, coming home to his yuppie apartment covered in contador posters is cracking me up.

cajun_cyclist

Coming out of the woodwork here, but the idea of FF being some young, up and coming Patrick Bateman type investment banker, coming home to his yuppie apartment covered in contador posters is cracking me up.

And that makes me think of the movie "Breaking Away", that movie is loosely based on a young man who in fact, came from what was Czechoslovakia, moved to America and in college, he had a bit of an obsession with the Italian riders, the culture and all that, the main character in the movie rode a Masi, listened to opera and new a smidgeon of Italian. He became disillusioned when a real Italian team, in the movie called Cinzano of course, I think that's a water or something and the team let him down by their behaviour.

So most people here have probably seen that movie but if they haven't, it's kind of fun.

ddraver

OT - Cinzano is one of those Martini type drinks. I had rather too many Vodka Martini's at a "party" when I was 17 and have never been able to drink it since! I threw up the next day, backstage at Euro Disney, next to a pluto head...

mfin

(On a side note isnt a Vodka Martini (like mr bond likes to knock back) actually 'Vodka, Gin and Vermouth' ...and the brand Martini is the Vermouth bit in the equation.... where as a real Martini is actually Gin and Vermouth? I dunno though... all gets confusing!!)

No_Ta_Doctor

cajun_cyclist wrote:

Coming out of the woodwork here, but the idea of FF being some young, up and coming Patrick Bateman type investment banker, coming home to his yuppie apartment covered in contador posters is cracking me up.

And that makes me think of the movie "Breaking Away", that movie is loosely based on a young man who in fact, came from what was Czechoslovakia, moved to America and in college, he had a bit of an obsession with the Italian riders, the culture and all that, the main character in the movie rode a Masi, listened to opera and new a smidgeon of Italian. He became disillusioned when a real Italian team, in the movie called Cinzano of course, I think that's a water or something and the team let him down by their behaviour.

So most people here have probably seen that movie but if they haven't, it's kind of fun.

Excellent film! "His name is Jake, not Fellini!"

Doobz

cajun_cyclist

Doobz wrote:

Interesting photo but on the other hand, it really shows you this with Contador is a big deal with at least a lot of Spaniards meaning in turn cycling is a big deal, I don't know if that would be the vast majority but a good number all the same. Perhaps Italy is a bit that way too.

But Jeremy Whittle in the book "Bad Blood" highlighted that perhaps this obsession is why you might see some cyclists doping in these countries, Contador, Basso, others have been king until something like a positive test happens.

andrewjoseph

Anyone else think that mask looks more like Tommy?

LeicesterLad

Still with Saxo Then...

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/saxo-bank-show-support-for-contador

iainf72

Good posting by Mr Birnie

http://www.lionelbirnie.com/the-boys-who-cried-wolf/

ddraver

mfin wrote:

(On a side note isnt a Vodka Martini (like mr bond likes to knock back) actually 'Vodka, Gin and Vermouth' ...and the brand Martini is the Vermouth bit in the equation.... where as a real Martini is actually Gin and Vermouth? I dunno though... all gets confusing!!)

hmm, I just poured half a glass of vodka and half Martini and threw it down my neck - Fell asleep in the bathroom under the sink.

mfin

iainf72 wrote:

Good posting by Mr Birnie

http://www.lionelbirnie.com/the-boys-who-cried-wolf/

+1 ...very well written, worth reading I thought, ta.

mfin

ddraver wrote:

mfin wrote:

(On a side note isnt a Vodka Martini (like mr bond likes to knock back) actually 'Vodka, Gin and Vermouth' ...and the brand Martini is the Vermouth bit in the equation.... where as a real Martini is actually Gin and Vermouth? I dunno though... all gets confusing!!)

hmm, I just poured half a glass of vodka and half Martini and threw it down my neck - Fell asleep in the bathroom under the sink.

I did a similar thing attempting a second pint of Gin once, those were the days

smithy21

iainf72 wrote:

Good posting by Mr Birnie

http://www.lionelbirnie.com/the-boys-who-cried-wolf/

Good article.

Anonymous

smithy21 wrote:

iainf72 wrote:

Good posting by Mr Birnie

http://www.lionelbirnie.com/the-boys-who-cried-wolf/

Good article.

+1