Contador Ruling
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Moray Gub wrote:LeicesterLad wrote:Moray Gub wrote:LeicesterLad wrote:them. He's still the greatest cyclist of a certain generation of fan, the case hasn't been a clear cut one, the verdict isn't a clear cut one, .
The case is clear cut he tested positive for a banned substance , his reason for this being in his sample was was not accepted so he is banned as a result . The real issue here is why he did not cop a two year ban starting yesterday as he should have done . You are letting your obvious affection for the rider blind you to the base facts of the case.
I'm a fan, yes, blind? no. Pot Kettle Black this, pretty sure you tend to defend the sports biggest cheat on a regular basis...
i dont actually i couldnt really give a monkeys about him but there is one crucial differnce between the two he never copped a ban for testing positive for a banned substance, again thats the base facts whether you like it or not and you and the other Contador fan boy can argue until your blue in the face .......Bertie is now a proven cheat simple as.......no grey area no clouding the issue........a doper end of.
The difference between the two is one of them clearly had more influence with the right/wrong people, and clearly had a bigger bank account to pay all the backhanders...My point is your obvious affection for a certain rider has blinded you to what the rest of the cycling community know deep down regardless of evidence.0 -
Stanley222 wrote:What's with all the pics?! We all know who Bertie is and what he looks like - it's not a shrine! He will be back in 6 months!
What do you care? If he wants to post them then leave him to it. He's not doing any harm is he?0 -
Bertie just been sacked by Saxo?
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LeicesterLad wrote:Moray Gub wrote:LeicesterLad wrote:Moray Gub wrote:LeicesterLad wrote:them. He's still the greatest cyclist of a certain generation of fan, the case hasn't been a clear cut one, the verdict isn't a clear cut one, .
The case is clear cut he tested positive for a banned substance , his reason for this being in his sample was was not accepted so he is banned as a result . The real issue here is why he did not cop a two year ban starting yesterday as he should have done . You are letting your obvious affection for the rider blind you to the base facts of the case. I'm a fan, yes, blind? no. Pot Kettle Black this, pretty sure you tend to defend the sports biggest cheat on a regular basis...
i dont actually i couldnt really give a monkeys about him but there is one crucial differnce between the two he never copped a ban for testing positive for a banned substance, again thats the base facts whether you like it or not and you and the other Contador fan boy can argue until your blue in the face .......Bertie is now a proven cheat simple as.......no grey area no clouding the issue........a doper end of.
The difference between the two is one of them clearly had more influence with the right/wrong people, and clearly had a bigger bank account to pay all the backhanders...My point is your obvious affection for a certain rider has blinded you to what the rest of the cycling community know deep down regardless of evidence.
Well see thats just it isnt it the evidence in one is very clear cut and the offending rider has copped a ban the evidence in the other wasnt enough to cop a ban or bring forth an indictment..........Who knows that may change but for now one is banned doper and one is not.Gasping - but somehow still alive !0 -
Doobz wrote:Bertie just been sacked by Saxo?
Not according to this: http://www.team-saxobank.com/ny_news.asp?n_id=3489
Riis Cycling continues to support Alberto Contador
[07.02 19:20] After having the time to review the ruling from The Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS) in the case concerning Alberto Contador, Riis Cycling continues to support the Spanish rider.
The ruling states that Alberto Contador has to serve a ban, because he had a banned substance in his body and was unable to prove how it entered his system.
However the ruling also states the presence of clenbuterol was unlikely to have been caused by conscious cheating and instead was more likely caused by ingestion of a contaminated supplement.
"After having the time to study the ruling we continue to support Alberto Contador based on the CAS verdict. We can only respect the ruling, and this means that Alberto Contador now has to serve a ban. But the conclusion of the ruling is vital for the team, as the ruling focuses on the likely cause being ingestion of a contaminated supplement and at the same time states that this is unlikely to have been a case of conscious cheating," team owner Bjarne Riis states.
At the same time Riis Cycling welcomes on the fact that the case finally reached a decision.
"Obviously, putting an end to this case is something we have been looking forward to. To get back to a point where we can actually start to have a real influence on things again," Bjarne Riis says.
"We have asked ourselves many times during this case, could we as a team have done things any differently? I really don't think we could have done things differently than what we have done trying to support every one of our riders. We inherited this case, and patiently we had to wait for a final decision. All along, we have diligently acted in accordance with the rules," Bjarne Riis continues.0 -
The Mad Rapper wrote:Stanley222 wrote:What's with all the pics?! We all know who Bertie is and what he looks like - it's not a shrine! He will be back in 6 months!
What do you care? If he wants to post them then leave him to it. He's not doing any harm is he?
What do you care that he cares ? if wants to comment on him posting pictures them then leave him to it he is not doing any harm is he ?Gasping - but somehow still alive !0 -
Moray Gub wrote:LeicesterLad wrote:Moray Gub wrote:LeicesterLad wrote:them. He's still the greatest cyclist of a certain generation of fan, the case hasn't been a clear cut one, the verdict isn't a clear cut one, .
The case is clear cut he tested positive for a banned substance , his reason for this being in his sample was was not accepted so he is banned as a result . The real issue here is why he did not cop a two year ban starting yesterday as he should have done . You are letting your obvious affection for the rider blind you to the base facts of the case. I'm a fan, yes, blind? no. Pot Kettle Black this, pretty sure you tend to defend the sports biggest cheat on a regular basis...
i dont actually i couldnt really give a monkeys about him but there is one crucial differnce between the two he never copped a ban for testing positive for a banned substance, again thats the base facts whether you like it or not and you and the other Contador fan boy can argue until your blue in the face .......Bertie is now a proven cheat simple as.......no grey area no clouding the issue........a doper end of.
You can always set your watch by moray - And he's got the brass neck to call anyone OBSESSED ??? -
Anyone who mentions his "personal mate" it's all out attack eh - imagine having the nerve to say the opposite. how can we all sleep at night 8)0 -
The Mad Rapper wrote:Richj wrote:it would appear so, didn't see that coming.
Where are you reading this?
not "sacked" but Riis saying he is out of a contract0 -
Doobz wrote:The Mad Rapper wrote:Richj wrote:it would appear so, didn't see that coming.
Where are you reading this?
not "sacked" but Riis saying he is out of a contract
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Doobz wrote:not "sacked" but Riis saying he is out of a contract
I suppose from the perspective of the sponsors it's difficult. They obviously won't want the adverse publicity of being associated with Contador now. I guess it's an easy out for them, a shame given the statement they posted yesterday.0 -
The Mad Rapper wrote:Doobz wrote:not "sacked" but Riis saying he is out of a contract
I suppose from the perspective of the sponsors it's difficult. They obviously won't want the adverse publicity of being associated with Contador now. I guess it's an easy out for them, a shame given the statement they posted yesterday.
The thing is that article you posted was from today..0 -
He will prob get a gig along with valverde @ movistar if dropped.0
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Doobz wrote:The thing is that article you posted was from today..
I didn't notice the date TBH, I just scanned the text. That's more surprising then. Or perhaps not. Have many times have the Boards of football clubs released statements supporting the manager just before sacking him?0 -
surely his contract runs till the end of this season, or is he in breach of that contract now ?0
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Contador is the Greatest0 -
The Mad Rapper wrote:Doobz wrote:The thing is that article you posted was from today..
I didn't notice the date TBH, I just scanned the text. That's more surprising then. Or perhaps not. Have many times have the Boards of football clubs released statements supporting the manager just before sacking him?
Its just a shambles..0 -
“It is a massive suspension, two years, and all the victories in that period,” Contador said, while adding that the results are not his highest priority. “I am not a rider who rides to enhance my palmares, particularly. I want to leave good memories for the fans and having the satisfaction of doing my work well.
“Every single victory I have had is not just mine, but gives memories to others…they are the only ones who can say if I am a winner or not.”
Need a load more riders like this.Contador is the Greatest0 -
“The race is finished and I was fifth. For me, I stay fifth.”
-Van den BroeckContador is the Greatest0 -
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Contador is the Greatest0 -
Just add Bertie.
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Ah thanks, I was nearly right. Same point tho'. There needs to be a quick resolution with Positive drug tests, sanction the riders within a week without any option of appeal, so the events don't suffer. If all parties agreed to it, it could be implemented. What we have at the moment is a farce.JonGinge wrote:
OT: Sastre gained about 40s on Evans when he attacked with Kohl and Valverde (and Menchov but he blew)Huret wrote:andyp wrote:Huret wrote:Good point. I still maintain Carlos Sastre won the 2008 TdF with the time he gained in a breakaway with the later disqualified Ricco.
The whole system is a joke.
Way off topic, but Sastre was never in a break with Ricco in the 2008 Tour.
Well, I just scoured the archives, could've swore I saw a video of Ricco and Sastre away. I stand corrected. Must have been a dream.
It's not off topic at all. The point is, retrospectively banning riders makes a farce of the races they had competed in.
in the final few k up to Prato Nevoso. Different panto villain(s) involvedSavoie between the Glandon and the Madeleine.0 -
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Contador is thinking of appealing against his ban,
http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2012/fe ... -drugs-ban
Given that his defence of ¨The clenbuterol was ingested accidentally via contaminated meat¨ is clearly not true as clenbuterol was in his blood before he ate the steak, on what grounds can he appeal?0 -
lemuppet wrote:Contador is thinking of appealing against his ban,
And Pat McQuaid is thinking suing Paul Kimmage. Neither are going to happen.
With regard to the 'sacking', I can't see how a cyclist can still be employed as a cyclist whilst banned. Therefore, the contract must be terminated.
It doesn't mean that Saxo won't re-sign him in August though (probably on less money), just like Valverde, whom I reckon Movistar never stopped paying.Twitter: @RichN950 -
I'll say it again surely financially he must be up the swan.
Read that his legal defence could be 3m euros. With the UCI after him and having to pay back all prize money and also now no income things can't be good.0 -
The dismissal of Contador is only formal. He will be back at Saxo the moment the ban ends, the team says0
