Party Planning for Thatcher's death...

Vesterberg

Soni wrote:

Just checked the news, there is no news that she has deteriorated is there?

Or have i missed something? :?

Sadly not. I was just daydreaming.

Pete White

There is little difference between the TB/Brown years and the Thatcher years, socialism had little to do with it, only the names were changed. Lets face it, our democracy these days is just a veneer over a government system of civil servants and councillors anyway, HOWEVER.... And I say it again.

I have a little stab of anger still at anyone who defends someone who believes that "there is no such thing as society." The whole "I'm alright screw you lot" (of which there is a little evidence here on this very thread) attitude she and her Party started has had its end result in the buggering up of our economy right now... I know other countries have it bad too, but we are supposed to be one of the strongest economies in the world, we are hardly Spain or Itlay! By condemning entire communities and regions to the dole, The Thatcherite Tories started the whole benefit culture that hamstrings our recovery now. The dole was supposed to be a safety net for the needy, not a way of bloody life!

sloppyschleckonds

bianchimoon wrote:

but hey it's cake stop so you're entitled to your say

Thats very very good of you.

MaxwellBygraves

Come on guys.

I consider myself a Marxist, but I'm not going to revel in anyones death.

I don't like Thatcher but the left needs to show everyone that left wing politics doesn't play petty hate games revolving around celebrating someone's sad demise due to dementia. We're better than that.

Scrumple

Vesterberg wrote:

...so, how do you plan to celebrate?

V

I'm going to come and find you, and give you a big kick in the c0ck.




...Then raise a glass to the old dear.

CiB

What a deeply unpleasant thread. Congratulations on reaching a new low and showing that this place actually isn't a cut above the low standards encountered on other web forums. :roll:

Scrumple

WAKE UP YOU LOT - this tit (OP) is a

TROLL


yawn

blah

zzzzzzzzzz


best ignore this thread now and let it die too, please.

DF33

Aww, but I've just bought popcorn and fluffed up the cushions on my cumfy chair....

siamon

OffTheBackAdam wrote:

Get your heads out of your arses & look around at the realities of socialism.

Successful socialism is possible as you well know. All you need is Socialism + total ingratitude + ruthless self interest + creative accountancy = a very successful socialist country called France.

Scrumple

more zzzzz

as the troll sits back and watches the futile blatherings of you lot having a c0ck size contest about politics!

let this thread die!!!

finchy

Scrumple - that's what I said on the other thread. I'm sure that Vesterberg is markwalker/blackpanther/vino. I think vino was the best one.

lemoncurd

Scrumple wrote:

let this thread die!!!

Is it OK to plan a party when it does?

Yossie

Anyone got any piccies of Thatcher's norks?

If not, how about Edwina Curry?

Just wondering, like .....

MaxwellBygraves

I also had a good laugh at the assertions that Blair, Brown, the EU and the financial crisis are socialists!!

socrates

Totally agree with OffTheBackAdam. All you people who areb talking about celebrating just look at her record compared with New labour. Wars in Iraq and Afghanistan which had nothing to do with us and we are still shelling out millions, banking in crisis, economy shot to bits but never mind the man who gave us this is now away earning millions while we sit in recession. he is even a peace envoy to the middle east and cannot even go there because he is not wanted. Boy are they smart.

neeb

MaxwellBygraves wrote:

Come on guys.

I consider myself a Marxist, but I'm not going to revel in anyones death.

I don't like Thatcher but the left needs to show everyone that left wing politics doesn't play petty hate games revolving around celebrating someone's sad demise due to dementia. We're better than that.

+1

I remember around 1990 swearing that I would celebrate her death, but I wouldn't have the heart for it anymore, even if I thought it was morally justifiable (which I don't).

I guess it must be difficult for anyone under 35 to understand the hatred that woman engendered. I don't dispute that some of what she did was necessary, but much of it (and the way in which she did it) wasn't, and is directly responsible for many of the social problems we have today. As much as anything else it was her utterly poisonous attitude and value system.

The "no such thing as society" quote is famous. Here's another example - "A man who, beyond the age of 26, finds himself on a bus can count himself as a failure." (This is the attitude responsible for the UK missing the opportunity to invest in rail infrastructure in the 1980s, which is why our public transport system is in such a mess compared to France, Germany and most other countries in Europe). No prizes for guessing what she thought of cycling.

Some people in positions of power over millions of other people's lives quite understandably attract extreme hatred. Here, for example, is what Dennis Potter (who had only days to live at the time, so could say what he wanted) thought of Rupert Murdoch, someone who perhaps represented (and still represents) the Thatcherite social mentality better than anyone else:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnVrK38xI-A

And his more general musings on the Thatcher government:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDsqp0IJ ... m12s-6m20s

LeicesterLad

I don't get why people still feel the need to bleet and moan about Thatcher, everyone has different opinions, some hate her, some don't, but why do people still feel so bitter about something decades ago, especially seeing as since her we have had the Utter disaster that was Gordon Brown, its like he didn't exist to those 'still' moaning about Thatcher, the bloke was a turd, a bully and a complete f*cking degenerate, nobody even voted the useless git into power?! But all the Tory bashers on here like to brush Brown under the rug like he didn't happen.

Mr_Cellophane

LeicesterLad wrote:

But all the Tory bashers on here like to brush Brown under the rug like he didn't happen.

Isn't that just normal for the Left; shout loudly and people may come to believe what you are saying is the truth, ignore your own failings and people may forget about them. If you keep on about Thatcher, people won't have time to discuss that Brown started the decline of private pensions in the UK. (something which is one of the reasons why there is ill feeling towards the Public Sector's gold plated schemes)

socrates

Lets not also forget Gordon's great idea to sell off Britain's gold reserves. Fantastic - now the one thing that is worth anything but we dont have any.

markos1963

socrates wrote:

Lets not also forget Gordon's great idea to sell off Britain's gold reserves. Fantastic - now the one thing that is worth anything but we dont have any.

Of course Thatcher never sold off anything did she?......... Hang on how about British Gas, Airways, Electric, Telecom, North Sea Oil and most of the social housing stock.

finchy

Mr_Cellophane wrote:

LeicesterLad wrote:

But all the Tory bashers on here like to brush Brown under the rug like he didn't happen.

Isn't that just normal for the Left; shout loudly and people may come to believe what you are saying is the truth, ignore your own failings and people may forget about them. If you keep on about Thatcher, people won't have time to discuss that Brown started the decline of private pensions in the UK. (something which is one of the reasons why there is ill feeling towards the Public Sector's gold plated schemes)

You're talking crap, Blair and Brown are generally despised by the left.

socrates

Keep it simple. Running the country is much like running a large household. When in debt you do not borrow more and more - common sense, right. So what was Blair and Brown doing - borrow, borrow and borrow thereby creating this false impression of wealth and an economic balloon just waiting for the pin which eventually came.

CambsNewbie

As much as I hate her and what she stood for, with a very exceptions (Hitler, Sadam Hussein, Stalin) no-ones death should be celebrated... And remember she was elected by the British public into office...

(que replies comparing her to the above now...)

neeb

socrates wrote:

Keep it simple. Running the country is much like running a large household. When in debt you do not borrow more and more - common sense, right. So what was Blair and Brown doing - borrow, borrow and borrow thereby creating this false impression of wealth and an economic balloon just waiting for the pin which eventually came.

I think you'll find that what actually happened was a global economic crisis created by a completely unregulated banking system, run on classic Thatcherite / U.S. style free-market principles. The biggest mistake that Gordon Brown made was to not stand up to the banks before the crisis hit, but you can bet that if the Tories had been in power at the time it would have been worse. If there was a balloon that burst, it was the one that Thatcher started inflating in the 80s, Blair & Brown failed to deal with, and Cameron now seems intent to preserve at the expense of completely isolating the UK in Europe.

socrates

Wrong. It was a global economic crisis caused mostly by George Bush originally and then Tony Blair following with their de-regulation of the banks, absolutley nothing to do with Thatcherite policies. You cannot blame Thatcher for something that happened decades later. Of course we have the usual Labour answer to everything bad - "it was somebody else" How much debt would we be in now if they had continued. I am no Cameron fan but he was left with a total mess caused by the fiscal policies of Brown and Blair. Most respected economists now agree on this.

rick_chasey

socrates wrote:

Wrong. It was a global economic crisis caused mostly by George Bush originally and then Tony Blair following with their de-regulation of the banks, absolutley nothing to do with Thatcherite policies. You cannot blame Thatcher for something that happened decades later.

Tend to disagree.

Blair continued what Thatcher started re market regulation and intervention. The Thatcher/Regan period kicked off the deregulated, 'free market' led policies etc. Blair and Clinton by and large embraced that - but added a little social security style guff at the back end on the back of growth < though how real the growth was/is is debatable (in the long term anyway).

The problem is more than a financial regulation one, nor is it down to the odd politican here and there.

garryc

Well I wouldn't wish for the death of anyone. Out of power is good enough for me, I was glad to see her go and wouldn't want the likes of her back again.

But what really annoys me is that it looks like there will be a State Funneral for her. We should all campaign against it before it's too late to stop.

neeb

garryc wrote:

But what really annoys me is that it looks like there will be a State Funneral for her. We should all campaign against it before it's too late to stop.

Yes, that I would not be able to stomach. Apart from anything else it would be incredibly divisive. There would bound to be people who would try to disrupt it and doubtless any demonstrations would be violently suppressed if they threatened to spoil things (probably with the aid of anti-terrorism legislation...)

rick_chasey

neeb wrote:

garryc wrote:

But what really annoys me is that it looks like there will be a State Funneral for her. We should all campaign against it before it's too late to stop.

Yes, that I would not be able to stomach. Apart from anything else it would be incredibly divisive. There would bound to be people who would try to disrupt it and doubtless any demonstrations would be violently suppressed if they threatened to spoil things (probably with the aid of anti-terrorism legislation...)

http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/18914

Mr_Cellophane

markos1963 wrote:

Of course Thatcher never sold off anything did she?......... Hang on how about British Gas, Airways, Electric, Telecom, North Sea Oil and most of the social housing stock.

I notice you don't mention BP which was the first sell off under Tony Benn. The only difference for that was that only his rich friends in the city could buy it and not the common man.

Rick Chasey wrote:

http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/18914

Thanks for that - I have signed.