Frozen Planet

Mike Healey

daviesee wrote:

Or....

However much I like and respect David Attenborough, I don't like being preached to.
When I find out part of his documentary has been fudged, it puts the rest into doubt.
Only a small percentage of viewers will have looked at the website so coming clean there just doesn't cut it.
It's all about credibility.

Oh, for goodness sake. Every wildlife documentary has "faked" footage and there's never been any secrecy about it*. Film of molerats (or some such) whipping up and down their tunnels? Set up in studio - how does anyone think that they managed to get a camera to follow it? Does it mislead anyone as to how such a burrowing animal behaves? Is anyone daft enough to say, "I'm outraged! I shall never believe David Attenborough again!"

Some things are probably impossible to film in situ with current technology, so what should programme makers do? Wait till the technology is available? Leave us in ignorance as to how animals behave?

*Apart from an utterly appalling Disney documentary about lemmings alleged propensity to run off cliffs (which doesn't happen), where they got the North American variety to do so by driving them off one.

Does any viewer believe that the shots of the countryside freezing up in the Autumn episode where done by a cameraman sitting there for a month, gradually panning across as it changed?

Totally artificial outrage and complete bollocks

Redhog14

So has nobody seen Made in Chelsea? Apparently that was not real... I have thrown my telly oot the windae.

daviesee

Mike Healey wrote:

Oh, for goodness sake. Every wildlife documentary has "faked" footage and there's never been any secrecy about it*.

Oh well. My eyes have been opened.
No point in watching anymore then.
If I want "entertainment" then I will watch what currently pertains to be entertainment or do something completely different.
Unfortunately I held David Attenborough in higher esteem than that.
One of the few left that I respected gone. Once you lose trust, it is gone forever.
My fault possibly for having unrealistic expectations but I expect a documentary to be factual and highlight anything that was added for effect.
As I have said in the past, I have no problem at all about how it was actually filmed, just how it was cut, edited and presented.
Guess I'll just have to watch........Is there anything left?

Wirral_paul

daviesee wrote:

Mike Healey wrote:

Oh, for goodness sake. Every wildlife documentary has "faked" footage and there's never been any secrecy about it*.

Oh well. My eyes have been opened.
No point in watching anymore then.
If I want "entertainment" then I will watch what currently pertains to be entertainment or do something completely different.
Unfortunately I held David Attenborough in higher esteem than that.
One of the few left that I respected gone. Once you lose trust, it is gone forever.
My fault possibly for having unrealistic expectations but I expect a documentary to be factual and highlight anything that was added for effect.
As I have said in the past, I have no problem at all about how it was actually filmed, just how it was cut, edited and presented.
Guess I'll just have to watch........Is there anything left?

Good grief!! I suggest you write a strong letter of protest to your MP and the BBC to complain how David Attenborough has totally ruined your viewing pleasure. I'd also suggest you sell your TV before you're exposed to more of the filthy documentaries that are not all filmed down some true wild animal's burrow etc. Maybe we could have a whip-round and buy you "Meercat Manor" for xmas................although the mocked up shots in that will possibly drive you to suicidal tendancies.

Personally i see the professional wildlife cameramen as amongst the biggest supporters of conservation - and if they see fit to not try to film a wild polar bear giving birth because it would risk the cubs then i think i'll live with the knowledge that the shots were taken in a zoo in Holland. If you really want to jump on the band wagon with the media hype drummed up by likes of the drivel they write in the Daily Mail over the faked shots, then I really do feel sorry for you that you have nothing better to be outraged over!!

daviesee

Jeez!
I am not outraged and I never felt the need for official complaint.
I am just disappointed.
Over and out.

bagpusscp

Pop corn time.

LeicesterLad

Frozen Planet is a load of fake, fraudulent, unrealistic, poorly filmed tosh. There are much much better, more credible programmes out there...

natrix

Although there's been incredible advances in camera technology (you can buy your own birdbox with a camera in Aldi these days ), and lenses, it's still difficult to record sound especially over any distance. Consequently a lot of the sound for nature shows is put together 'artificially'. it would be interesting to see if the BBC would own up to how much this was done for frozen planet............

GiantMike

I heard that David Attenborough's commentary was added after the filming.

Frankly I'm disgusted and I feel somewhat misled. I assumed he was down the hole with the baby Polar bears, not in some warm studio on the outskirts of London.

amaferanga

daviesee wrote:

Mike Healey wrote:

Oh, for goodness sake. Every wildlife documentary has "faked" footage and there's never been any secrecy about it*.

Oh well. My eyes have been opened.
No point in watching anymore then.
If I want "entertainment" then I will watch what currently pertains to be entertainment or do something completely different.
Unfortunately I held David Attenborough in higher esteem than that.
One of the few left that I respected gone. Once you lose trust, it is gone forever.
My fault possibly for having unrealistic expectations but I expect a documentary to be factual and highlight anything that was added for effect.
As I have said in the past, I have no problem at all about how it was actually filmed, just how it was cut, edited and presented.
Guess I'll just have to watch........Is there anything left?

You sound like one of those that write to Points of View (or whatever it's called now) complaining about such important things as the color of a newsreaders tie

finchy

The point of documentaries such as Frozen Planet isn't that they get 100% authentic footage, but that they give accurate information and educate us. I never knew, for example, that polar bears were born during winter in the den. Now I do, and will remember it due to the footage. Therefore, job done, thanks Sir D.

cornerblock

Some people are making a mountain out of a molehill. Not a real molehill obviously, vicious little buggars.

finchy

RichN95.

daviesee wrote:

Oh well. My eyes have been opened.
No point in watching anymore then.
If I want "entertainment" then I will watch what currently pertains to be entertainment or do something completely different.
Unfortunately I held David Attenborough in higher esteem than that.
One of the few left that I respected gone. Once you lose trust, it is gone forever.
My fault possibly for having unrealistic expectations but I expect a documentary to be factual and highlight anything that was added for effect.
As I have said in the past, I have no problem at all about how it was actually filmed, just how it was cut, edited and presented.
Guess I'll just have to watch........Is there anything left?

Pross

RichN95 wrote:

daviesee wrote:

Oh well. My eyes have been opened.
No point in watching anymore then.
If I want "entertainment" then I will watch what currently pertains to be entertainment or do something completely different.
Unfortunately I held David Attenborough in higher esteem than that.
One of the few left that I respected gone. Once you lose trust, it is gone forever.
My fault possibly for having unrealistic expectations but I expect a documentary to be factual and highlight anything that was added for effect.
As I have said in the past, I have no problem at all about how it was actually filmed, just how it was cut, edited and presented.
Guess I'll just have to watch........Is there anything left?

I hope you haven't photoshopped that Rich!

I can see where Daviesee is coming from to some extent as they could have explained in the "how we did it" bit that they couldn't film it for real. It's a bit different to when we see a piece of stock film for an owl catching a mouse or something but I can't explain why. Unfortunately I've only seen a few episodes of the series but as ever with BBC's wildlife / natural history documentaries I have been hugely impressed and might even get the DVD box set.

RichN95.

Pross wrote:

I hope you haven't photoshopped that Rich!

No. I can't photoshop to save my life.

However, I have uncovered behind the scenes footage of Attenbrough's next stunning 'bear giving birth' documentary clip: