Frozen Planet
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LeicesterLad wrote:Obviously during last weeks episode BR was down, so it didn't get a mention, but...who cracked up watching that theiving penguin?
And that he knew to keep an eye on his pile so he caught the penguin about to rob him. 0 -
BBC do nature programs better than anyone imo. Superb viewing.0
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Amazing program--thieving penguin fun and the bravery, no other word for it, of camera men in boat being wave washed by pod of killer whales (which had / were about to take out a seal for food + a minke whale too) and in boat being tracked down by a hungry mum polar bear--amazingly good footage all round; will watch it many times I hope
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Yep, excellent progam..0
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There's some junk on the Beeb, that makes me wonder why I'm taxed to have it on, luckily, they produce work like this and I feel much better!Remember that you are an Englishman and thus have won first prize in the lottery of life.0
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We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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OffTheBackAdam wrote:There's some junk on the Beeb, that makes me wonder why I'm taxed to have it on, luckily, they produce work like this and I feel much better!
Why I for one will always be happy to pay my license fee.
There is quality tv on both BBC and the independent channels but I can't help but think if there were no BBC producing quality minority viewing programmes ITV would soon downgrade its output.
Everything would be studio based and involve some kind of phone poll, which may not count but you'll still be charged for.
Long live the beeb.Tail end Charlie
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shame about those TW@'s getting upset about the use of "ZOO" images for the Polar bear cubs , aparantly the real mother would probably killed the cubs and or the camerapeople if she had got wind of the filming0
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bearfraser wrote:shame about those TW@'s getting upset about the use of "ZOO" images for the Polar bear cubs , aparantly the real mother would probably killed the cubs and or the camerapeople if she had got wind of the filming
All true.
I was totally amazed at how they did it. As were the people that I was watching it with.
We were all wondering how on earth they could have filmed it.
Now we know. As it was editted and cut, it was presented as being filmed in the wild.
Personally, I feel as if i was misled on this point.
If I was misled on this point, how many other points did they splice?
Frankly, and sadly, David Attenborough has lost a bit of credability in my eyes.None of the above should be taken seriously, and certainly not personally.0 -
I can't understand why people get upset about alleged fakery on Frozen Planet when there are programmes like Top Gear around. Every sequence on Top Gear is set up and filmed multiple times to allow the camera angles to work which requires a working script of shots to edit together at the end. Any comedy on Top Gear comes from the fact that the viewer is led to believe that the situations are real but exaggerated, not entirely scripted.0
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Seems to me the best thing would have been for them to be open about it - here is a polar bear at a zoo because if we did this in the wild the cubs would be killed - don't think anyone would insist on them filming it for real and let those furry little cubs take their chances - although come to think of it has anyone ever filmed a polar bear mother tearing her cubs to pieces before ?
it's a hard life if you don't weaken.0 -
GiantMike wrote:I can't understand why people get upset about alleged fakery on Frozen Planet when there are programmes like Top Gear around. Every sequence on Top Gear is set up and filmed multiple times to allow the camera angles to work which requires a working script of shots to edit together at the end. Any comedy on Top Gear comes from the fact that the viewer is led to believe that the situations are real but exaggerated, not entirely scripted.
Because frozen planet is a documentary - and they make a big thing (a sixth of the program) of how they film the animals in the wild.
The assumption is what you're told is factually correct, to the best of their knowledge anyway.0 -
Yes, but a documentary as entertainment. And the Polar Bear cub sequence was factually correct. They didn't say that Polar Bear cubs were sprouted from Unicorns.0
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GiantMike wrote:Yes, but a documentary as entertainment. And the Polar Bear cub sequence was factually correct. They didn't say that Polar Bear cubs were sprouted from Unicorns.
Not quite.
They filmed the female bear in the wild digging herself a little hole.
They then reference the same bear re the baby bears, when it's obviously a different bear.
Who said the documentary was entertainment?
A documentary should be factually correct and transparent.0 -
I agree about the factual correctness. But in term of transparancy, programmes are created over a long period of time and spliced together from many months of footage. They are then edited together to tell a 'story', most of which never happened like that. The limited number of cameras and crew means that the editor must use artistic licence for some sequences to get the desired result. Other wise the story would be like:Sir David Attenborough wrote:Here we have a shot of a Polar Owl hovering over the frozen wasteland, looking for food. Here's a shot, possibly of the same owl, possibly not, several days later diving to catch an arctic mouse. 3 weeks later we got this shot of an owlet being fed some food. It might be a mouse, but we're not sure because the cameraman was supposed to be filming something else and just spotted this opportunity. And here's a final shot of another owl leaving a nest to get more food (we think), but this was filmed before the first shot in the sequence, but it looks better at the end because of the lighting.
You know those shots of the penguins filmed from lots of different angles. They're not the same penguins filmed on the same day and possibly not even in the same place. The facts are correct, but there is a requirement to edit the sequence to tell a story and it would be laborious to make all of that transparent.
It's on BBC1, therefore it's entertainment (but also a documentary). Even the news is entertainment. Some of the weather is entertainment.0 -
Problem with your example is that all the camera work is done in one location.
Frozen Planet used footage from different continents, at different times.
It portayed captive animals as being in their natural enviroment and did not feel the need to come clean.
In entertainment that might be fair enough but Frozen Planet is portrayed to be factual. It failed on this...None of the above should be taken seriously, and certainly not personally.0 -
daviesee wrote:Problem with your example is that all the camera work is done in one location.
Frozen Planet used footage from different continents, at different times.
It portayed captive animals as being in their natural enviroment and did not feel the need to come clean.
In entertainment that might be fair enough but Frozen Planet is portrayed to be factual. It failed on this...
But FP is factual. Nothing in it was factually incorrect. The 'story' of Ms Polar Bear used pictures from somewhere else, but I think that they give birth in the wild too. Anyway, I'm sure Stewie will be along in a moment to tell us what David Attenborough said
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Anyone not able to see the common sense in why they filmed that in the way they did should be given a camera and a ticket to the North Pole so they can have a crack at doing it properly. "When a hungry cub protecting Polar Bear Mum is eating you alive please please please protect the camera so we can show it to folk on the telly".
The moment they showed it I thought there is no way they have dug into a snow drift and stuck cameras into the face of a Polar bear with cubs, the Bear would be using their bones to pick their flesh from its teeth.0 -
Stewie Griffin wrote:Anyone not able to see the common sense in why they filmed that in the way they did should be given a camera and a ticket to the North Pole so they can have a crack at doing it properly. "When a hungry cub protecting Polar Bear Mum is eating you alive please please please protect the camera so we can show it to folk on the telly".
The moment they showed it I thought there is no way they have dug into a snow drift and stuck cameras into the face of a Polar bear with cubs, the Bear would be using their bones to pick their flesh from its teeth.
All 100% correct Stewie. The trouble is not what they did but how they presented it.None of the above should be taken seriously, and certainly not personally.0 -
'twould probably have been OK if they'd pointed out how they got that footage in the Freeze Frame section at the end of that program.
Still fascinating viewing, however they shot it.0 -
So whom in their right mind would actually sidle up to the nest of just about the deadliest land dwelling "MAN-EATER" (Apart from Katie Price ) to actually get this footage.
Certainly not me. Well done for them getting this simulation done in the zoo. Sure its not totally realistic but mummy and cubbly wubs will fare far better and suffer less mortality in birth than they would in the wild.
Besides we have had Mr Parris (the cyclist hating) criticising the documentary on Jeremy Vines Radio 2 show this lunchtime, so therefore that is as good a reason as any to like Sir David Attenboroughs works.
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Apparently they explain how they shot the Zoo pics on their website. Thats how the newspapers got hold of it.
But FFS - is it a slow news day or what ?? Storm in a teacup. The papers love to bash the BBC any time they can and it just makes them look stupid.0 -
People really getting pishy over Frozen Planet
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GiantMike wrote:I can't understand why people get upset about alleged fakery on Frozen Planet when there are programmes like Top Gear around. Every sequence on Top Gear is set up and filmed multiple times to allow the camera angles to work which requires a working script of shots to edit together at the end. Any comedy on Top Gear comes from the fact that the viewer is led to believe that the situations are real but exaggerated, not entirely scripted.
I'm a wee bit sceptical about the use of the phrase "comedy on Top Gear". If this was Just A Minute, someone would have buzzed for Deviation by now.
David"It is not enough merely to win; others must lose." - Gore Vidal0 -
Serioulsy cannot believe this shite, X factor, earns Syco a fortune every year by duping muddle brained non entities into believing they are "voting" for their favourite and DA/BBC get pasted for filming captive polar bears and splicing it with wild ones.. only they freely publicised this fact on their own website! Get a life, the only sad thing about this is how easily shocked people seem to be these days.0
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Or....
However much I like and respect David Attenborough, I don't like being preached to.
When I find out part of his documentary has been fudged, it puts the rest into doubt.
Only a small percentage of viewers will have looked at the website so coming clean there just doesn't cut it.
Comparing a factual documentary (however beautifully shot) with entertainment programmes is nonsense.
It's all about credibility.None of the above should be taken seriously, and certainly not personally.0 -
Redhog14 wrote:Serioulsy cannot believe this shite, X factor, earns Syco a fortune every year by duping muddle brained non entities into believing they are "voting" for their favourite and DA/BBC get pasted for filming captive polar bears and splicing it with wild ones.. only they freely publicised this fact on their own website! Get a life, the only sad thing about this is how easily shocked people seem to be these days.
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such a non story - utterly pathetic0 -
Redhog14 wrote:Serioulsy cannot believe this shite, X factor, earns Syco a fortune every year by duping muddle brained non entities into believing they are "voting" for their favourite and DA/BBC get pasted for filming captive polar bears and splicing it with wild ones.. only they freely publicised this fact on their own website! Get a life, the only sad thing about this is how easily shocked people seem to be these days.
The Pox Factor, erm, sorry X Factor, apparently had a 4 million drop in ratings compared to the same time last year, so maybe there's hope yet for proper programming. Either that or ITV viewers are just bored and waiting for the next big, yet strangely identical in format, thing to leap on to their screens (assuming their attention hasn't already been lured away from talent/voting based shows by The Only Sodding Way Is Sodding Essex :roll: ).
David"It is not enough merely to win; others must lose." - Gore Vidal0 -
During an episode of "Battle field Britain" The Camera's turn and interview Romans and soldier's Boudics army.Come Dan Snow next you will be telling the viewer it was footage found in someones cellar.
Anyway found this old add.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOJGgCp4GqIbagpuss0
