Worlds Men's TT (probable spoilers later)

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  • No_Ta_Doctor
    No_Ta_Doctor Posts: 13,339
    I did mention the cobbled turns, didn't I?
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  • No_Ta_Doctor
    No_Ta_Doctor Posts: 13,339
    Rådhuspladsen (City Square) for the medal ceremony. Think Copenhagen may have been a good choice :-)

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  • Ringo 68
    Ringo 68 Posts: 441
    What a great race and very exciting.

    It seemed that almost from his first couple of kilometers Tony Martin was head and shoulders above any body else but the battle for silver/bronze was fantastic. Wiggins seemed to get stronger as the race went on.
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  • cogidubnus
    cogidubnus Posts: 860
    Martin was immense today, though his TT form all season has been building upto this.

    It was pretty cool to see him cross the line with arms in the air. Don't often get that in a TT
  • inkyfingers
    inkyfingers Posts: 4,400
    Ringo 68 wrote:
    It seemed that almost from his first couple of kilometers Tony Martin was head and shoulders above any body else but the battle for silver/bronze was fantastic. Wiggins seemed to get stronger as the race went on.

    Maybe Wiggins learnt from the TT at the Vuelta when he went out too fast then faded.
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  • Pokerface
    Pokerface Posts: 7,960
    I wonder how much the equipment played in all this?

    Last year Canc on a Shiv and Martin on a Scott. This year Martin on the Shiv and Canc on a Trek.

    I'm sure they are all good bikes, but you have to wonder if the bike DOES play a part.


    (And I was out training in my Rainbow Jersey while it was on live, but just finished watching the recording) 8)
  • cogidubnus
    cogidubnus Posts: 860
    Bikes can't count for over a minute though surely?
  • Pokerface
    Pokerface Posts: 7,960
    Cogidubnus wrote:
    Bikes can't count for over a minute though surely?


    It's not just the bike. It's also wheels.


    But no - Martin won fair and square. I just wonder how much closer it might have been if they were both on the same bikes/wheels.


    Either way, Specialized will be happy again this year. We'll see how Martin fares next year on a Canyon. :)
  • Ringo 68
    Ringo 68 Posts: 441
    How come hey can't just ride whatever they want when riding for their country in the world champs?

    Are they still under contract to the equipment manufacturers even when they are not cycling for their pro teams?
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  • Pokerface
    Pokerface Posts: 7,960
    Ringo 68 wrote:
    Are they still under contract to the equipment manufacturers even when they are not cycling for their pro teams?

    AFAIK - yes they are. You'll usually see their Pro team name on the country kit also.

    Plus - I would think that after spending all year riding the same bike, it wouldn't be the best idea to change it overnight.
  • No_Ta_Doctor
    No_Ta_Doctor Posts: 13,339
    Half of twitter at the mo seems to be taken up with various manufacturers taking credit for Martin's performance. Even his bloody saddle maker....
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  • Pokerface
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    No tA Doctor wrote:
    Half of twitter at the mo seems to be taken up with various manufacturers taking credit for Martin's performance. Even his bloody saddle maker....


    Exact same thing happened with me. :lol:
  • r0bh
    r0bh Posts: 2,201
    Amazing pacing by Wiggo, his first and second laps were almost exactly the same time (in fact lap 2 marginally quicker) - everyone else in the top 10 faded on their second lap.
  • Noclue
    Noclue Posts: 503
    Good result for Wiggo, during the vuelta i wondered if he'd lost some of his TT ability in favour of better climbing, it would seem not.
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  • richard wants a baum
    richard wants a baum Posts: 744
    Really impressed with bobridge's time .
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  • aneesh99
    aneesh99 Posts: 67
    Major props to Tony Martin, great ride and great result, I can't argue that he's definitely up there as one of the best TTers. Was a little surprised by Cancellara though, didn't think that chasing Tony's time would be a detrimental to his performance, or his mistake at the corner, if I put my money on someone, it would be Spartacus himself! Next year? I thought that Millar would be back up there in contention, didn't seem to work for him today, also pretty solid ride by Porte.
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  • No_Ta_Doctor
    No_Ta_Doctor Posts: 13,339
    Pokerface wrote:
    No tA Doctor wrote:
    Half of twitter at the mo seems to be taken up with various manufacturers taking credit for Martin's performance. Even his bloody saddle maker....


    Exact same thing happened with me. :lol:


    You've got to pity the makers of Pistorius' running legs. If they tweet about how good they are they'll get him banned! :lol:
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  • reverendmark
    reverendmark Posts: 67
    r0bh wrote:
    Amazing pacing by Wiggo, his first and second laps were almost exactly the same time (in fact lap 2 marginally quicker) - everyone else in the top 10 faded on their second lap.

    I'm guessing that's why he was so keen to get his computer working at the start (for those that weren't watching, there was a lot of frantic button punching in the first couple of hundred metres).
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 72,797
    reverendmark wrote:
    r0bh wrote:
    Amazing pacing by Wiggo, his first and second laps were almost exactly the same time (in fact lap 2 marginally quicker) - everyone else in the top 10 faded on their second lap.

    I'm guessing that's why he was so keen to get his computer working at the start (for those that weren't watching, there was a lot of frantic button punching in the first couple of hundred metres).

    Spot the trackie...
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  • inkyfingers
    inkyfingers Posts: 4,400
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    reverendmark wrote:
    r0bh wrote:
    Amazing pacing by Wiggo, his first and second laps were almost exactly the same time (in fact lap 2 marginally quicker) - everyone else in the top 10 faded on their second lap.

    I'm guessing that's why he was so keen to get his computer working at the start (for those that weren't watching, there was a lot of frantic button punching in the first couple of hundred metres).

    Spot the trackie...

    Not had a bad season though, for a trackie!
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  • reverendmark
    reverendmark Posts: 67
    Pokerface wrote:
    Ringo 68 wrote:
    Are they still under contract to the equipment manufacturers even when they are not cycling for their pro teams?

    AFAIK - yes they are. You'll usually see their Pro team name on the country kit also.

    Plus - I would think that after spending all year riding the same bike, it wouldn't be the best idea to change it overnight.

    I'm sure in the past Millar has ridden a British Cycling time trial bike for the Worlds. I think Wiggins was riding one at some events when riding for Highroad - this looks like one: http://www.flickr.com/photos/thisisforever/2259688338/
  • hammerite
    hammerite Posts: 3,408
    Why so few GC guys?

    Evans, Contador, Menchov and Leipheimer always seem to pull out cracking TTs during tours that they're targetting. So why do they tend not to take part in the World TT champs? Evans was only 7s behind Martin in Annecy, granted there was a big motivation for him to ride well at Annecy, but they could compete for the medals at the Worlds.
  • hammerite
    hammerite Posts: 3,408
    reverendmark wrote:

    I'm sure in the past Millar has ridden a British Cycling time trial bike for the Worlds. I think Wiggins was riding one at some events when riding for Highroad - this looks like one: http://www.flickr.com/photos/thisisforever/2259688338/

    High Road used Giant a few years back. BC use Pinarello now, and I think had a deal with Trek before that (although a lot of track riders would be on Dolans).
  • Pokerface
    Pokerface Posts: 7,960
    hammerite wrote:
    Why so few GC guys?

    Evans, Contador, Menchov and Leipheimer always seem to pull out cracking TTs during tours that they're targetting. So why do they tend not to take part in the World TT champs? Evans was only 7s behind Martin in Annecy, granted there was a big motivation for him to ride well at Annecy, but they could compete for the medals at the Worlds.



    A lot of them are tired and have packed it in for the year. Plus - many of them concentrate on the RR instead of the TT (like Evans in the past).
  • hammerite
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    Tiredness and having to peak for it at the end of a hard season I can understand. But a medal in the TT must be less of a lottery than in the road race, and they'd still be capable of riding the RR with a few days to recover.
  • inkyfingers
    inkyfingers Posts: 4,400
    Pokerface wrote:
    hammerite wrote:
    Why so few GC guys?

    Evans, Contador, Menchov and Leipheimer always seem to pull out cracking TTs during tours that they're targetting. So why do they tend not to take part in the World TT champs? Evans was only 7s behind Martin in Annecy, granted there was a big motivation for him to ride well at Annecy, but they could compete for the medals at the Worlds.



    A lot of them are tired and have packed it in for the year. Plus - many of them concentrate on the RR instead of the TT (like Evans in the past).

    If you are a GT/Stage race specialist then unless you ride the Vuelta then then there is not a lot to train for at this time of year - particularly with a WC course that suits the sprinters/classics men. Certainly Cadel Evans has earnt a rest!
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  • LangerDan
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    hammerite wrote:
    Tiredness and having to peak for it at the end of a hard season I can understand. But a medal in the TT must be less of a lottery than in the road race, and they'd still be capable of riding the RR with a few days to recover.

    Don't forget that one of the key reasons that the Evans and Menchovs are good GC guys is the fact that their form deteriorates less over the the 3 weeks of a GT than the others. The fact that Evans can push Martin in a TT at the end of the Tour is as much an indication of his recovery powers as his strength. A "fresh" Evans vs a "fresh" Martin might not be as close.
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  • Doobz
    Doobz Posts: 2,800
    reverendmark wrote:
    r0bh wrote:
    Amazing pacing by Wiggo, his first and second laps were almost exactly the same time (in fact lap 2 marginally quicker) - everyone else in the top 10 faded on their second lap.

    I'm guessing that's why he was so keen to get his computer working at the start (for those that weren't watching, there was a lot of frantic button punching in the first couple of hundred metres).

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  • LangerDan
    LangerDan Posts: 6,132
    Doobz wrote:
    reverendmark wrote:
    r0bh wrote:
    Amazing pacing by Wiggo, his first and second laps were almost exactly the same time (in fact lap 2 marginally quicker) - everyone else in the top 10 faded on their second lap.

    I'm guessing that's why he was so keen to get his computer working at the start (for those that weren't watching, there was a lot of frantic button punching in the first couple of hundred metres).

    The Reason..

    http://velonews.competitor.com/2011/09/ ... ver_193105

    I'd have thought that most of the main contenders would be using this approach - not just Wiggins. Its the fact that Wiggins doesn't seem to have done this in the past is more interesting.
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  • hammerite
    hammerite Posts: 3,408
    LangerDan wrote:
    hammerite wrote:
    Tiredness and having to peak for it at the end of a hard season I can understand. But a medal in the TT must be less of a lottery than in the road race, and they'd still be capable of riding the RR with a few days to recover.

    Don't forget that one of the key reasons that the Evans and Menchovs are good GC guys is the fact that their form deteriorates less over the the 3 weeks of a GT than the others. The fact that Evans can push Martin in a TT at the end of the Tour is as much an indication of his recovery powers as his strength. A "fresh" Evans vs a "fresh" Martin might not be as close.

    That makes sense, but don't the Martin/Cancellara's of the world target a win on a TT stage and take it easier on the days leading up to it? Evans and others wouldn't have that luxury.

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