Vector Power Monitoring

doyler78

Slimbods wrote:

jibberjim wrote:

http://www.cyclepowermeters.com/cycleop ... p-21-c.asp Elite+ Wheel only 600quid, and there's plenty of other examples - the list price of the hub isn't even 700. And an entry level rear wheel is certainly not "a few hundred" in anycase. And that's before the announced price reductions in the 2012 series which are the products the vector is actually up against.

Great, comparing a sale item with RRP.

Doesn't change the fact that this is unique. You can't buy another pedal based system yet, it's brand new and this is early adopter pricing.Without knowing the underlying financials you can't tell if it's a mistake, but looking at other cutting edge products in and out of cycling there's usually enough early adopters prepared to pay the premium to make it pay off without having to risk big manufacturing runs for a larger scale production.

Garmin know how to launch products, they do a lot of it.

God I hope that doesn't turn out to be true or they will be in serious trouble. Betaware will not be tolerated in the same way that their GPS cycle computers were when they first launched them.

SteveR_100Milers

Slimbods wrote:

jibberjim wrote:

http://www.cyclepowermeters.com/cycleop ... p-21-c.asp Elite+ Wheel only 600quid, and there's plenty of other examples - the list price of the hub isn't even 700. And an entry level rear wheel is certainly not "a few hundred" in anycase. And that's before the announced price reductions in the 2012 series which are the products the vector is actually up against.

Great, comparing a sale item with RRP.

Doesn't change the fact that this is unique. You can't buy another pedal based system yet, it's brand new and this is early adopter pricing.Without knowing the underlying financials you can't tell if it's a mistake, but looking at other cutting edge products in and out of cycling there's usually enough early adopters prepared to pay the premium to make it pay off without having to risk big manufacturing runs for a larger scale production.

Garmin know how to launch products, they do a lot of it.

Tried using Garmin Connect, or worse, Training Centre? Models of robust development indeed. If someone else made an edge 500 equivalent, then belive me I'd buy that instead.

symo

SteveR_100Milers wrote:

Slimbods wrote:

jibberjim wrote:

http://www.cyclepowermeters.com/cycleop ... p-21-c.asp Elite+ Wheel only 600quid, and there's plenty of other examples - the list price of the hub isn't even 700. And an entry level rear wheel is certainly not "a few hundred" in anycase. And that's before the announced price reductions in the 2012 series which are the products the vector is actually up against.

Great, comparing a sale item with RRP.

Doesn't change the fact that this is unique. You can't buy another pedal based system yet, it's brand new and this is early adopter pricing.Without knowing the underlying financials you can't tell if it's a mistake, but looking at other cutting edge products in and out of cycling there's usually enough early adopters prepared to pay the premium to make it pay off without having to risk big manufacturing runs for a larger scale production.

Garmin know how to launch products, they do a lot of it.

Tried using Garmin Connect, or worse, Training Centre? Models of robust development indeed. If someone else made an edge 500 equivalent, then belive me I'd buy that instead.

Errr how about one of these?

SteveR_100Milers

Looks intersting, but two issues - it's 2.3 x more expensive than the 500, and it does not appear to be ant+ compatible.....

doyler78

SteveR_100Milers wrote:

Looks intersting, but two issues - it's 2.3 x more expensive than the 500, and it does not appear to be ant+ compatible.....

Description says:

"Wireless Interface: 2.4 GHz ANT+"

but how that translates is another matter.

doyler78

Looks like it.

More here:

http://www.brytongps.com/q-a/view/4-is- ... compatible

amaferanga

I asked Bryton about their support for power meters a few months back and despite the fact that the devices were apparently already compatible with ANT+ power meters they couldn't even answer very basic questions. I stuck with Garmin.

Pokerface

Here's a flip side to the 'portability' argument....

Yes - pedals might be easier to swap. But you then have to have jul;tipple chain sets. This adds to the cost.

I use a SRM and whilst it may take a minute extra to swap from bike to bike - I only have to pay for one (very expensive) chain set.



Garmins pricing is probably also based on them trying to recoup the costs of buying Mextrigear (is that the right company)? as well as further R&D time it's taken to get this product ready for market.

And considering how long it is taking, I would d'assume' that it will actually work when they do start selling it.

Pokerface

I just had another thought...


what happens when the pedals wear out/ break? I assume there will be some way to get a new pedal body at a reduced cost!!

I go through a few sets of pedals a year. The spindles bend, the bodIes get scratched/broken, the springs wear out, bearings seize, etc, etc.

At least with a SRM all you have to do is replace the rings every year/few years!

I am the god of hell fire

Pokerface wrote:

I just had another thought...


what happens when the pedals wear out/ break? I assume there will be some way to get a new pedal body at a reduced cost!!

I go through a few sets of pedals a year. The spindles bend, the bodes get scratched/broken, the springs wear out, bearings seize, etc, etc.

At least with a SRM all you have to do is replace the rings every year/few years!

What???

I do 500km a month minimum through the winter months in the north UK and my Ultegra SL's are approaching 5y old
Besides the odd scratch they are fine

Ive also only just replaced the cleats too :shock:

Sorry - Im also looking for excuse not to buy the Vector although Im sticking to a high price rather than your excuse

Cheers

Pokerface

I am the god of hell fire wrote:

Pokerface wrote:

I just had another thought...


what happens when the pedals wear out/ break? I assume there will be some way to get a new pedal body at a reduced cost!!

I go through a few sets of pedals a year. The spindles bend, the bodes get scratched/broken, the springs wear out, bearings seize, etc, etc.

At least with a SRM all you have to do is replace the rings every year/few years!

What???

I do 500km a month minimum through the winter months in the north UK and my Ultegra SL's are approaching 5y old
Besides the odd scratch they are fine

Ive also only just replaced the cleats too :shock:

Sorry - Im also looking for excuse not to buy the Vector although Im sticking to a high price rather than your excuse

Cheers

You obviously aren't riding hard enough. 8)

Look pedals aren't the most durable out there. Probably why I go through them quickly.

andy_wrx

These aren't Look pedals - they're Look KeO-compatible, but I 'd read they're actually Exustar.

Either way though, if they are resin-bodies I presume they'll wear...



I'm also intrigued by how-far below the pedal the mechanism projects - will this preclude its use on the track and perhaps lead to grounding issues when cornering a fixed bike ?

eh

I'm also intrigued by how-far below the pedal the mechanism projects - will this preclude its use on the track and perhaps lead to grounding issues when cornering a fixed bike ?

I'd also be interested to know how well sealed they are, as pedals are more exposed to road spray, dirt etc.

When you realise that they will struggle to last 5 years at best due to the resin bodies and other issues and that the list price is over £1k (same for the Polar Look option) I just don't see how these are a viable option. Now if they are priced at say £600 including a Edge 500 then yep.

On the upside these new products might end up forcing a reduction in price across all the manufacturers, and that would be a good thing for us potential buyers.

doyler78

eh wrote:

I'm also intrigued by how-far below the pedal the mechanism projects - will this preclude its use on the track and perhaps lead to grounding issues when cornering a fixed bike ?

I'd also be interested to know how well sealed they are, as pedals are more exposed to road spray, dirt etc.

When you realise that they will struggle to last 5 years at best due to the resin bodies and other issues and that the list price is over £1k (same for the Polar Look option) I just don't see how these are a viable option. Now if they are priced at say £600 including a Edge 500 then yep.

On the upside these new products might end up forcing a reduction in price across all the manufacturers, and that would be a good thing for us potential buyers.

I've had a powertap for sl+ 2 1/2 years now and I've had it in for repair 5 or 6 times now I think off the top of my head. The time before last I had the privlege of paying £400+ a new torque tube. Little over a week later it had to back again for another new hub as it leaked water. If you get 5 years then I'd say you will be doing briliantly. I would love just to get a full year

symo

Strain gauges are made of extremely thin foil attached to the surface of whatever they are measuring, can't see any possibility for that to get hammered in bad weather within the pedal at all.

Chip \'oyler

Does anyone know if the cost of this new system includes a Garmin head unit?

Alex_Simmons/RST

Chip \'oyler wrote:

Does anyone know if the cost of this new system includes a Garmin head unit?

I doubt it since you will be able to choose different head units, which have different prices.

Chip \'oyler

Alex_Simmons/RST wrote:

Chip \'oyler wrote:

Does anyone know if the cost of this new system includes a Garmin head unit?

I doubt it since you will be able to choose different head units, which have different prices.

Bugga