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Odd feeling of weakness.

freehubfreehub Posts: 4,257
Ever so sorry for the large amount of threads.

Anyway, this is a matter for the doctors really, and I'm off tomoz, but in the meantime wondering if anyone has had anything similar and what it could be.

On top of that I'm always getting tired and some days always feel tired no matter how much or little sleep I get, but as far as I can tell this is normal for me since the doctors cannot find anything up.

Recently I get a weird feeling of weakness, now when I don't have this and am recovered I do pretty good on the bike, but when I have it like today I can't really push and just feel weird, it's like a sort of itchy feeling all over the body, hard to explain, it's not itchy but feels sort of like that all over and just make me feel weak. It can last all day.

Anyone had that before?
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  • alan_shermanalan_sherman Posts: 1,157
    Judging from your avatar it could be rabies. Good luck at the doctors though as they are the right people to see.
  • dombo6dombo6 Posts: 582
    I have not had anything similar but am close to people who have. You should speak to a doctor and detail all the symptoms as it could be something requiring closer attention.
  • freehubfreehub Posts: 4,257
    Yeah I'm going to, although my experience of doctors is, you tell em everything, then they have a blood test done, nothing wrong with blood, means not a single thing wrong with me, bye bye have a nice day basically.
  • P_TuckerP_Tucker Posts: 1,878
    Hmmm, have you considered showering and/or MingTFU?
  • crumbschiefcrumbschief Posts: 3,399
    I'm off to see the doc soon over something very similar after blood tests have show all normal before,do you notice any reactions to foods?

    Like me you will just have to keep on at your GP,try and make sure before you get to see your GP you have a complete idea of what you want to tell them,even jot it down on paper so you don't forget bits.I know it seems a bit much but if all shows normal and you still feel as you do then you have to really push to get something done.
  • dombo6dombo6 Posts: 582
    Get MRI scan
  • freehubfreehub Posts: 4,257
    I'm off to see the doc soon over something very similar after blood tests have show all normal before,do you notice any reactions to foods?

    Like me you will just have to keep on at your GP,try and make sure before you get to see your GP you have a complete idea of what you want to tell them,even jot it down on paper so you don't forget bits.I know it seems a bit much but if all shows normal and you still feel as you do then you have to really push to get something done.

    I don't really notice any reaction to foods, although I get tired after eating.

    I booked a doctors appointment today, after writing the post yesterday I was intending on going to the chain gang, and I set off, I was pushing quite an effort, but my body just was not letting me push properly, It also felt like I was going very slow when I was not (as in I lost all perception of speed), I got to the point I felt abit disorientated and almost drunk, I stopped about 5 miles from home, shaking, suddenly felt really hungry, had 2 snickers bars and it sort of helped abit and I managed to get home, but for the half a mile before I stopped for the snickers I was barely managing 14mph and to control the bike in a straight line.
  • ozzy1000_0ozzy1000_0 Posts: 144
    for both you guys; have you had thyroid function tested? probably you have?.. but this is exactly how i felt for a couple of year prior to my thyroid going properly tits up.. i would have on days and very off days.. I would have days where i would have to drink bucket loads of coffe just to get through and I'd feel terrible, then the off days got more frequent until it was pretty much everyday and I'd have chronic headaches and couldn't really do any excerise atall.. put on wieght etc....

    I would perisist wit the Dr's, ask if they have tested for TPO anitibodies, these are the antibodies your body produces in error that kill off your thyroid when you have autoimmune thyroid disease.. the thing is when they are testing you thyroid function they will probably just look and a pituatary hormone called TSH and a thyroid hormone called T4, if these are in "normal range" they'll dissmiss you as having no problem.. however at the start of an autoimmune thyroid problem these levels can vary day to day and the malfunction might be picked up until its consistent and estabilshed enough to cause aproblem all day everyday... also "normal range" might well not be normal for you, my threory is that people who are drawn to athletic sports like cycling run a higher metabolism than people who don't care so much for sports... I know that I only feel well when my thyroid hormones are higher than the average for our population....

    so; my adivce would be perisist and ask for antibody tests, if they don't want to do it, try another Dr, if they don't, go private...

    in the mean time rest and eat lots vege, maybe try some colostrum supplementation, I know its expensive but its basically super nutricious and if you take about 10gms a day wizzed up with a load of fruit in the blender, it makes a difference! I swear by it... root vege have lots of carotiniods which are really important for immuno competatance, so eat tonnes of beets and carrots....

    good luck, O
  • PseudonymPseudonym Posts: 1,032
    Dombo6 wrote:
    Get MRI scan

    Why..? Do you suggest any particular area of the body it should focus on - or maybe all of it. You can't just pitch up and ask for an MRI without very good reason.
  • dombo6dombo6 Posts: 582
    From the described symptoms it could be MS. Get an MRI scan to focus on brain, and if it is then the associated brain lesions would show. I didn't want to be so specific to the OP but as we've started tossing possiblities around....hopefully it won't be that, but it's best to be prepared when seeing the doc and have a proper discussion.
  • amaferangaamaferanga Posts: 6,789
    Dombo6 wrote:
    From the described symptoms it could be MS. Get an MRI scan to focus on brain, and if it is then the associated brain lesions would show. I didn't want to be so specific to the OP but as we've started tossing possiblities around....hopefully it won't be that, but it's best to be prepared when seeing the doc and have a proper discussion.

    Fortunately patients don't get to decide for themselves if/when they get an MRI scan. I'm not even sure a GP can refer a patient with suspected MS for MRI.

    Mate of mine is a GP and he finds the self-diagnosed-by-Google patients extremely irritating....
    More problems but still living....
  • dombo6dombo6 Posts: 582
    True, but hopefully the doc will allay his fears and it'll turn out to be something else nowhere near serious enough for an MRI scan.
    I'm sure he does, a mate of mine is in the Royal Marines and gets extremely irritated when I offer him tips i've picked up from my 9-year old in his capacity as a master sniper in Call of Duty :lol:
  • rolf_frolf_f Posts: 16,015
    amaferanga wrote:
    Mate of mine is a GP and he finds the self-diagnosed-by-Google patients extremely irritating....

    He might well do. On the other hand, I have a condition that wasn't diagnosed for over 20 years. When it was diagnosed, the name of the condition pretty much described the symptoms. So it should have been pretty easy - I found the lack of GP diagnosis extremely irritating. If I'd had the internet at the time, I could have (partly) diagnosed it in a day.

    Google helps the patient do what the doctor can't always be bothered to do.
    Faster than a tent.......
  • freehubfreehub Posts: 4,257
    I went to the docs and as expected.. another blood test, although they had an ECG done but that was fine. I'm hoping what ever it is shows up on the blood test, they're testing other things such as for glandular fever also.

    Whatever it is is doing my head in, it's extremely irritating, I don't know if it's something or nothing, I was thinking about going out on the bike today but I just don't feel like it at all, so then part of me is thinking I'm just being a lazy [email protected] now as the thought of doing anything high effort is not appealing. I'm probably going to miss the TT tomoz so I'm extremely pissed off at myself.

    The doctor said my blood pressure was lowish but healthy at the same time for someone of my age and my HR was in the low 50s.

    Admittedly I do think I'm being abit of a hypochondriac as I'm still able to walk about maybe If blood test shows nothing I should just try and ignore it and maybe it'll go away.

    Apparently it was questions at the doctors that I may have had chronic fatigue syndrome but because I could cycle and not stuck in bed confirms I don't have that.
  • rolf_frolf_f Posts: 16,015
    freehub wrote:
    Admittedly I do think I'm being abit of a hypochondriac as I'm still able to walk about maybe If blood test shows nothing I should just try and ignore it and maybe it'll go away.

    I wouldn't worry about being a bit hypochondriac. A high cause of male death is their tendency not to go to the doctors til it's too late.
    Faster than a tent.......
  • PokerfacePokerface Posts: 7,960
    Have you considered it might be something to do with your really poor diet?

    Or have you branched out from tins of baked beans and Mars Bars?


    (seriously)
  • Jeff JonesJeff Jones Posts: 1,865 Editor
    Or training/racing too much?
    Jeff Jones

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  • have you tested your blood glucose level? Feel excessively thirsty?
  • freehubfreehub Posts: 4,257
    I'm at home now, diet is not the problem.

    Training/racing too much should not be a problem, my mileage is a lot lower than normal.

    I don't feel thirsty a lot no, I guess I'll find out my glucose level when I get blood test results back.

    I actually feel ok now I'm considering doing the TT tomorrow, I'll see how I am when I cycle for blood test assuming I can get it down tomoz, need to fast for 12 hours before the test tho.
  • dombo6dombo6 Posts: 582
    Good luck with the TT and at the docs. Don't be afraid to suggest or question your doc, his irritation is a small price to pay for your health and peace of mind.
  • freehubfreehub Posts: 4,257
    I'm getting a blood test done tomoz hopefully.

    Now thinking about this is pretty stressing.

    I don't know what to think, today on the TT I did a PB, 14 seconds quicker than last time, now last time going around I remember I was actually pushing hard and could feel it, now today I sort of was pushing hard, but at the same time, I felt like I could not push my hardest, I just wanted to give up all the way around and felt censored , now last time the guy who I drawn with, he was 24 seconds quicker than me tonight, and on Saturday I was like 30+ seconds quicker than him. So today, my PB (he also did a PB), should have being higher than his or closer, I'm so sure I was not on form tonight I felt censored , but I just hope I actually did feel censored and it's not me being lazy.

    Really really hope blood test finds something.
  • CyclingBantamCyclingBantam Posts: 1,299
    Out of interest, how do you know diet is not the problem? Are you sure you just don't wsnt it to be the problem?

    From what I remember from some of your posts on here you seem to eat very poor quality (cheap) food. I know you don't see this as an issue, and it might not be but it really is something you should consider. It is the fuel for your body. The more censored you put in, the worse the output.

    Like Pokerface, I'm being totally serious.

    Ben
  • DF33DF33 Posts: 732
    Tbh (sorry to start with one of those 3 letter things) if I was in your shoes with your symptoms I wouldn't be doing a TT within spitting distance of a health test.

    I would want my body to be rested, ie as 'normal' as it could be. Fasted for 12 hours then see what the test brought back.

    If you have had an unbalanced diet, thrash your body on a TT, thereby lowering it, then fast for 12 hours the body will try to defend and protect itself and maybe mask a small nuance of trace pointers to the illness you have.

    I din;t know what you've tried so far but I would suggest 2 weeks with no exercise (you won't lose your fitness in that time). See what changes. If nothing, train for a couple of weeks. any change? If not no training for another couple of weeks and eat no processed foods whatsoever, none. Just simple decent quality poached / baked fish and chicken, freshly cooked fresh veg, fruit, some plain dairy ie yogs, cheese, brown bread, wholemeal pasta etc etc. Any change?
    It may seem hard but you obviously want to sort this out and the quack can only do so much. By doing the above you are, albeit in a crude and fast way so not fully conclusive, ruling out groups of problems.
    If you see a change, then you can play around with the group you have not done / changed and narrow down the problem.
    As you say your suffering regularly during a week it might work.
    Of course if you have something else and simply have a good few days that has to be aware of too so no red herrings, as has doing it for at least 2 weeks for the same reason.

    Good luck with the tests / results
    Peter
  • MettanMettan Posts: 2,103
    ozzy1000_0 wrote:
    for both you guys; have you had thyroid function tested? probably you have?.. but this is exactly how i felt for a couple of year prior to my thyroid going properly tits up.. i would have on days and very off days.. I would have days where i would have to drink bucket loads of coffe just to get through and I'd feel terrible, then the off days got more frequent until it was pretty much everyday and I'd have chronic headaches and couldn't really do any excerise atall..

    Could be - I've basically lost the last year due to an overactive thyroid - was diagnosed 3 months ago with a T4 of over 100 (off the scale) - weight dropped to 9 st - seeing an Endo and am now on Carbimazole - got to say, it feels like a wonder drug - energy levels are returning to normal, putting weight back on, itching calmed down, thighs are putting muslce back on etc etc.
  • freehubfreehub Posts: 4,257
    DF33 wrote:
    Tbh (sorry to start with one of those 3 letter things) if I was in your shoes with your symptoms I wouldn't be doing a TT within spitting distance of a health test.

    I would want my body to be rested, ie as 'normal' as it could be. Fasted for 12 hours then see what the test brought back.

    If you have had an unbalanced diet, thrash your body on a TT, thereby lowering it, then fast for 12 hours the body will try to defend and protect itself and maybe mask a small nuance of trace pointers to the illness you have.

    I din;t know what you've tried so far but I would suggest 2 weeks with no exercise (you won't lose your fitness in that time). See what changes. If nothing, train for a couple of weeks. any change? If not no training for another couple of weeks and eat no processed foods whatsoever, none. Just simple decent quality poached / baked fish and chicken, freshly cooked fresh veg, fruit, some plain dairy ie yogs, cheese, brown bread, wholemeal pasta etc etc. Any change?
    It may seem hard but you obviously want to sort this out and the quack can only do so much. By doing the above you are, albeit in a crude and fast way so not fully conclusive, ruling out groups of problems.
    If you see a change, then you can play around with the group you have not done / changed and narrow down the problem.
    As you say your suffering regularly during a week it might work.
    Of course if you have something else and simply have a good few days that has to be aware of too so no red herrings, as has doing it for at least 2 weeks for the same reason.

    Good luck with the tests / results

    It ain't my diet my mum cooks proper meals. And when I'm in Mcr I've upped the amount of fruit/meat I eat.

    I don't know what is up, but I've being fine today, today was probably a good day, I've done 140 miles, was going good on any "hills" and my legs are recovering pretty quickly which is unusual for me I usually have slow recovery.

    See when I'm fine, I'm strong like today, and it does make me think about putting off going to the docs as it just reinforces my idea that I'm just over reacting, but I'll keep at the doctor this time if it's something causing an unusual fluctuation in my energy levels. I did tell the doctors, I appear to be having more bad than good days, but when I'm on a good day I'm strong, so hopefully that means she's put down on the blood test sheet what will find the problem (if anything), I have to wait till the week for blood test now due to being fully booked at the hospital.

    Also since I've being home my my mum makes sure I have supplements once a day after food, cod liver oil, glucosamide sulphate, multi vitamin and some other ones.
  • Murr XMurr X Posts: 258
    freehub wrote:
    I don't know what is up, but I've being fine today, today was probably a good day, I've done 140 miles, was going good on any "hills"
    Madness - 140 miles!!! There lies the problem. Doing this sort of mileage isn't natural and isn't going to do your body any good at all and I feel the problem is with your head as I have stated before on several occasions. I wish you the very best of health but if you can not look after yourself due to too much cycling which is a largely nonconstructive behaviour/addiction at best, then the rest of us really can't either.

    Why on earth would you ride 140 miles if you are concerned about a possible health ailment? The healthiest or fittest people on the planet are not the ones who do the most exercise.

    Put your body first and high mileage second.


    Murr X
  • redddraggonredddraggon Posts: 10,862
    Murr X wrote:
    freehub wrote:
    I don't know what is up, but I've being fine today, today was probably a good day, I've done 140 miles, was going good on any "hills"
    Madness - 140 miles!!! There lies the problem. Doing this sort of mileage isn't natural and isn't going to do your body any good at all and I feel the problem is with your head as I have stated before on several occasions. I wish you the very best of health but if you can not look after yourself due to too much cycling which is a largely nonconstructive behaviour/addiction at best, then the rest of us really can't either.

    Why on earth would you ride 140 miles if you are concerned about a possible health ailment? The healthiest or fittest people on the planet are not the ones who do the most exercise.

    Put your body first and high mileage second.


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  • freehubfreehub Posts: 4,257
    So why have I not had this feeling all of last year and the year before? 140 miles on flat at an easy pace is censored all, a 25 mile tt would probably take more out of me.

    I used to do 100+ week in, week out, did I get ill? No.

    How many 100+ rides have I done this year? 4, yes FOUR.

    You don't see all those riders that do 1000k+ audaxes curling up and dieing.
  • DF33DF33 Posts: 732
    We're all just trying to help.

    Does sound like you push it as soon as you have a good day then can't understand why you keep having bad days.

    If you can't see the sense in resting up as part of the process then I feel you will struggle to take advice.
    Hopefully your GP will come up with the diagnosis you desperately crave from the results of your blood test solely.

    Again I really wish you luck. But feel, as has been posted above by others, the answer is very much partly in your hands to listen and alter your direction on this.

    That is all!
    Peter
  • freehubfreehub Posts: 4,257
    To be fair I'd hope it is not related to my cycling activities because I probably have more recovery than alot of people, some people only have 1 maybe 2 a week, some weeks I have 4-5 days recovery.
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