Garmin users and your auto pause.....

DaveL

Just out of interest, what speed have you got your auto pause set at?

Dave

chrishd883

My 305 Edge - set to auto pause when stopped

meanredspider

stopped

MarcBC

Stopped.

redvee

Anything below 25mph is too slow for me Mine is set at 0.5mph so that I can creep forward at lights etc.

amaferanga

Stopped only works if you have a GSC-10 and your device uses the GSC-10 for speed over GPS. If your device uses GPS for speed even when a GSC-10 is installed then you're never actually stopped.

But I have to say that I don't really get why people bother with auto pause and all that annoying beeping when almost all analysis software will give you a moving average anyway.

SBezza

Don't use the auto pause, not even sure why they add the feature to be honest. Just let it continue whilst you are stopped, it seems to make little difference over the course of a ride.

Garmin Connect shows you your moving speed if that interests you.

danowat

When stopped, means I can start my watch when I reach the start line of a TT, it auto-pauses, then goes when I start, its been within 1-2secs of the official time all season.

meanredspider

amaferanga wrote:

Stopped only works if you have a GSC-10 and your device uses the GSC-10 for speed over GPS. If your device uses GPS for speed even when a GSC-10 is installed then you're never actually stopped.

But I have to say that I don't really get why people bother with auto pause and all that annoying beeping when almost all analysis software will give you a moving average anyway.

I use GPS and it auto-pauses quite happily and quite accurately (using the Forerunner 305)

Turned off the beep.

I like to know what time I'm doing as I ride - seems a bit pointless to look at it afterwards - same reason as I have a lap-timer in my race car. It's a bit too late by the time it's on a computer screen or a piece of paper.

amaferanga

meanredspider wrote:

amaferanga wrote:

Stopped only works if you have a GSC-10 and your device uses the GSC-10 for speed over GPS. If your device uses GPS for speed even when a GSC-10 is installed then you're never actually stopped.

But I have to say that I don't really get why people bother with auto pause and all that annoying beeping when almost all analysis software will give you a moving average anyway.

I use GPS and it auto-pauses quite happily and quite accurately (using the Forerunner 305)

Turned off the beep.

I like to know what time I'm doing as I ride - seems a bit pointless to look at it afterwards - same reason as I have a lap-timer in my race car. It's a bit too late by the time it's on a computer screen or a piece of paper.

Well the auto-pause algorithm must be kicking in when speed is low as opposed to stopped completely cos with GPS for speed you will never see 0mph.

Not sure what point your making with regard seeing the time for your ride. I press start when I set off on a ride and stop when I finish. That's my ride time. Not sure either how the lap-timer for you car is relevant (or did you just slip it in cos its been a while since you mentioned that you race cars )

freehub

SBezza wrote:

Don't use the auto pause, not even sure why they add the feature to be honest. Just let it continue whilst you are stopped, it seems to make little difference over the course of a ride.

Garmin Connect shows you your moving speed if that interests you.

Well if it's not on auto pause then at traffic lights it'll go down alot, and then does not show what speed you're actually averaging.

SBezza

danowat wrote:

When stopped, means I can start my watch when I reach the start line of a TT, it auto-pauses, then goes when I start, its been within 1-2secs of the official time all season.

I just start mine on the 2 count, and stop it just after crossing the line, again mine is always within a couple of secs. Auto pause in a TT can mean a loss of signal at any one point might cause the clock to stop (it has happened to others), at least with it turned off, you might not get an accurate average speed or distance, but the time is still accurate. Same as if you get held up at a turn for example.

I always found that when I did use the auto pause it took a few seconds of moving before it activated, that annoyed me a touch LOL.

SBezza

freehub wrote:

SBezza wrote:

Don't use the auto pause, not even sure why they add the feature to be honest. Just let it continue whilst you are stopped, it seems to make little difference over the course of a ride.

Garmin Connect shows you your moving speed if that interests you.

Well if it's not on auto pause then at traffic lights it'll go down alot, and then does not show what speed you're actually averaging.

That is not important though is it, if it is important then the moving average speed in Garmin Connect will stop you worrying you are going too slow

Average ride speed means SOD ALL.

it will not be much different in all likleyhood

Recent ride from me 3 hours - Average speed 21.8 - Average Moving Speed 22.0 = IS IT WORTH WORRYING ABOUT.

That ride was after work so some rush hour traffic, traffic lights, road junctions etc.

danowat

SBezza wrote:

danowat wrote:

When stopped, means I can start my watch when I reach the start line of a TT, it auto-pauses, then goes when I start, its been within 1-2secs of the official time all season.

I just start mine on the 2 count.

I think if I had a stem/bar mounted unit, that would be the way for me, but I find it a bit of a flap trying to start the watch while holding the bike one handed, and being held up by the pusher off!!!, plus I like to take a few good solid "focus" breaths as the count goes 5,4,3,2,1

SBezza

Danny you should trust the pusher off to be able to sit up and take both hands off the bars

danowat

SBezza wrote:

Danny you should trust the pusher off to be able to sit up and take both hands off the bars

Still a bit wet behind the ears when it comes to it, but it'll come with experiance

Any chance you are riding the EDCA100 at the end of the month?, I am having a punt on it for my first 100TT

SBezza

No I am riding the Nat 100 at the weekend, and then building up for the Breckland 12 hour in the middle of August.

Did that 100 course last year as part of the Nat 100, not a bad course, apart from the joins in the road going up to the Boswick turn. Good luck with the 100, different beast to the 50.

danowat

Yes, the Browick turn is on both the 10 and 25 courses, and the nasty Harling turn, and subsequent hill back up to Snetterton is a stuggle doing once on a 25, let alone 4 times on a 100!!!.

I did toy with the idea of the 12hr, but I thought it was a stretch to far for my maiden TT year, next year though for sure, although I may end up marshalling if need be, as its my CC.

derbygrimpeur

In response to the OP - stopped.

SBezza - it does make a difference to average speed. It's all relative though as over a longer ride with few stops it won't make much difference. For me, on a short 1hr ride at rush hour leaving my city centre apartment, I can get stopped quite regularly. I like to see an accurate avg speed whilst I'm riding.

meanredspider

amaferanga wrote:

Not sure what point your making with regard seeing the time for your ride. I press start when I set off on a ride and stop when I finish. That's my ride time. Not sure either how the lap-timer for you car is relevant (or did you just slip it in cos its been a while since you mentioned that you race cars )

It's simple - if I'm not going fast enough, I need to speed up (same goes for the car). But there are delays on my route (junctions etc) which are random (some days I'll sit whilst 20 cars go past on others I sail straight out). I can't speed up when I'm reviewing Garmin Connect afterwards....

If all you want to do is record a time, it serves no purpose. If you are pacing yourself, it does.

redddraggon

Auto stop is not set up on mine, I just manually pause it at cafe stops and the like. The difference avg speed and moving avg speed only ends up around 0.3mph anyway, so it's not a big deal.

meanredspider

Besides - what's the big deal? Turn auto-pause on and forget about it....it's hardly an issue.

dawebbo

You get a bit of a rest at lights and junctions, would seem a bit inconsistent to remove this from your data.

meanredspider

dawebbo wrote:

You get a bit of a rest at lights and junctions, would seem a bit inconsistent to remove this from your data.

And conversly, you lose momentum. I'd prefer not to stop

SBezza

meanredspider wrote:

amaferanga wrote:

Not sure what point your making with regard seeing the time for your ride. I press start when I set off on a ride and stop when I finish. That's my ride time. Not sure either how the lap-timer for you car is relevant (or did you just slip it in cos its been a while since you mentioned that you race cars )

It's simple - if I'm not going fast enough, I need to speed up (same goes for the car). But there are delays on my route (junctions etc) which are random (some days I'll sit whilst 20 cars go past on others I sail straight out). I can't speed up when I'm reviewing Garmin Connect afterwards....

If all you want to do is record a time, it serves no purpose. If you are pacing yourself, it does.

LOL that is the funniest thing I have heard today. Some days I can put out xxx watts and do an average of 18mph +, other days I can put out more watts and yet go slower. Speed is a meaningless measure of effort or fitness to be honest, it all depends on weather, traffic conditions, route profiles and the like.

amaferanga

meanredspider wrote:

Besides - what's the big deal? Turn auto-pause on and forget about it....it's hardly an issue.

Unless you use a power meter that is.

meanredspider

SBezza wrote:

LOL that is the funniest thing I have heard today. Some days I can put out xxx watts and do an average of 18mph +, other days I can put out more watts and yet go slower. Speed is a meaningless measure of effort or fitness to be honest, it all depends on weather, traffic conditions, route profiles and the like.

Glad to have brightened your day.

So let's look at your variables:

Route - I do an identical route - eliminated
Weather - correct but one day to the next not that different even here. Wind is pretty constant.
Traffic conditions - apart from junctions etc (which auto-pause covers!!!) - irrelevent to me.
Bike - exactly the same

So 3 consecutive runs: 51:15, 50:42, 50:50

I'm not trying to use this for anything other than motivation. I target a time and try to hit it. If a stop at a junction means my target time is shot, I lose my target.

But why the mountain out of the molehill?

danowat

SBezza wrote:

Speed is a meaningless measure of effort or fitness to be honest, it all depends on weather, traffic conditions, route profiles and the like.

Perfectly sums it up, although its a strange thing to hear from a tester

Trouble is,avg speed is great for the "E-penis", hence why you see so many people quoting avg speeds that bear no relation to real life, which leads to a very distorted picture for new(er) riders when they view some peoples quoted speeds.

The only time I care about speed is when racing, and even then, its generally after the event!

derbygrimpeur

SBezza wrote:

meanredspider wrote:

amaferanga wrote:

Not sure what point your making with regard seeing the time for your ride. I press start when I set off on a ride and stop when I finish. That's my ride time. Not sure either how the lap-timer for you car is relevant (or did you just slip it in cos its been a while since you mentioned that you race cars )

It's simple - if I'm not going fast enough, I need to speed up (same goes for the car). But there are delays on my route (junctions etc) which are random (some days I'll sit whilst 20 cars go past on others I sail straight out). I can't speed up when I'm reviewing Garmin Connect afterwards....

If all you want to do is record a time, it serves no purpose. If you are pacing yourself, it does.

LOL that is the funniest thing I have heard today. Some days I can put out xxx watts and do an average of 18mph +, other days I can put out more watts and yet go slower. Speed is a meaningless measure of effort or fitness to be honest, it all depends on weather, traffic conditions, route profiles and the like.

But if you couple that data with HR, then you can compare two different rides. I know what avg speeds I should be capable of for a given HR on specific routes. I use this to see if my fitness is improving/reducing and whether I perhaps need to do things differently.

Just because you don't use it doesn't mean it's pointless. It's a useful feature for some, not for you.

redddraggon

Auto-Pause is a willy waving feature for artificially boosting your average speed.

SBezza

danowat wrote:

SBezza wrote:

Speed is a meaningless measure of effort or fitness to be honest, it all depends on weather, traffic conditions, route profiles and the like.

Perfectly sums it up, although its a strange thing to hear from a tester

LOL, I guess it is, but in a way it is the same.

I had an faster average speed in the Shaftesbury CC 50 at the weekend , than I did in the SFACC 10 I did earlier in the day, yet power was alot lower. Only difference is the course and outside influences.