landing on wheels
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I'm still waiting for an explanation of "jedi"Mental Mickey wrote:Sounds like Yehaaa could benefit from some lesson off Jedi.
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I have to agree with yeehamcgee and my original answer!!!!!!
If you are in a forward motion and wanting to roll out and the landing is profiled (as in a down slope, exit ramp, vert ramp) anything with a decline or incline, the idea is to land both wheels at the same time or front slightly first but get the bike to follow the profile of the landing!!!!!!!
If it is a flat surface no matter wether you are moving forward with great energy or from a static position (as trials) the idea is to lower the front wheel then kick with the your feet effectively lowering the height of the drop. This then aids you to land rear wheel first absorb the impact with your legs put the front down and ride or roll away!!! If you land front first onto a flat surface the cances are you will bend your forks or wash out, both at the same time your going to snap your frame, bend a pedal, bottom out your susension, smack your nuts on the bars or nearly shake your head off!!!!!!!!
Believe me yeehamcgee is talking sense!! It took alot of us over ten years of riding the 90's where wheels were crap suspension was front only for us mortals and was only 80mm max (if you could affor JUDY DH's) and frames were heavy and fragile!!!!!0 -
Seems to me Jedi is pretty much agreeing with you but pointing out that slow drops to flat are trials drops and not common in MTB because you tend to be moving forward on your drops, in which case you land roughly flat in relation to the angle of the landing zone, maybe a bit front first.
Is this you jedi: http://www.pinkbike.com/video/5173/
No apparent lack of drop off or other bike skills there...0 -
Quite, but I maintain that you should be aiming to land rear wheel first when dropping to flat when moving or static. The impact is the same, and rear-wheel first allows you to absorb the impact with your legs.
Like I said, you have full control of the bike for a fraction less than by landing with both wheels, but that's a tradeoff that's worth making, in order to ensure that you DO stay on the bike.0 -
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And this is unusual how?nwmlarge wrote:what a pointless and boring threadI don't do smileys.
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nwmlarge wrote:what a pointless and boring thread
only borin if ya know what ya doin. as for me, i aint got a clue so its got some good advice for me and it seems as its got a bit heated so its good to watch cheers for all ya hints n tips i got a lot of ideas to try. now its just findin out what one suits me 2004 cinder cone, grey
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It's not got heated. Just some disagreement.
For moderate drops of a few feet, either jedi's or Aaron's approach will work.
I still maintain that Aaron's approach works better with huge drops though (Why would trials riders even bother with a similar technique otherwise?)0 -
disagrements or heated still been good to see other peoples approach and ideas for drops. few feet ones i can handle but not sure bout huge ones. i am nearly 40 after all 2004 cinder cone, grey
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yeah that's me in the vid.
look at bmx street . they are moving forward and land both wheels first off huge flat drops.
static drops are trails style as you land at a standstill.0 -
Is this you jedi: http://www.pinkbike.com/video/5173/yeah that's me in the vid.
I know nothing but he looks like he knows what he's talking about to me - i got vertigo watching that :?
Amazing skills BTW!!0 -
Jedi, thats a brilliant video! How do you manage to keep your balance though?! looks very difficult.0
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i keep moving forward
its 5yrs old that vid, i'm filming another web edit now actually.0 -
props for that northshore riding, seriously skinny stuff there. Can't wait for your next one.0
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yeehaamcgee wrote:The impact is the same, and rear-wheel first allows you to absorb the impact with your legs.
But then even if you land it front-first you still absorb a large part of the impact with your legs.
Now... What happens if you're landing crossed up or otherwise at an angle (hip jump maybe, or a bit of styling ending badly, or just a bad jump) and you land rear first? Landing rear first causes problems, or rather makes the existing problem worse, landing nose first regains control as the rear will follow the front when it lands.Uncompromising extremist0 -
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Jedi wrote:yeah that's me in the vid.
That's an internet first for for me, reading advice on a forum from someone who can actually back it up with ability0 -
97th choice wrote:Jedi wrote:yeah that's me in the vid.
That's an internet first for for me, reading advice on a forum from someone who can actually back it up with ability
high5!0 -
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It's a pre-emptive move- otherwise Yeehaa'll come along and do it in a moment and if there's got to be wee on my chips, I'd rather it was mine.Uncompromising extremist0
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fuck sake.
if you land rear wheel first while moving forwards you will drop your head as soon a sthe front hits. you will then brake.
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Jedi, what you're saying makes no sense. You're head will drop when landing both wheels as well - because it's a heavier impact, and the fact that your body is tilted more forwards in the riding position to begin with. Things judder under impacts, heads go down.
Saying "but it happens with this technique" doesn't preclude it from happening with other techniques, it's not an either or thing.
AND LIKE I KEEP SAYING, not being able to steer momentarily is a worthy tradeoff, if the alternative is the possibility of not sticking the damned landing AT ALL.
You might be able to ride, but holy hell you come across as being dense.
Quick search on youtube throws this up.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXrCw5ONCws
The rider's only doing a small drop - spool forwards to 25 seconds, he's slowed it down, and ooh, what's that his head's doing?
Oh yeah, his head's dropping. Fancy that.0 -
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And here's a better, FAR larger drop, onto a downslope even, both wheels at the same time, notice the dropping head
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ea-KnyWn ... re=related0 -
he didnt land both wheel stogethr front was on the flat.
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what, the stair drop? He lands on the stairs, and rolls to flat.Jedi wrote:he didnt land both wheel stogethr front was on the flat.
please try harder
I'd love to hear your theory of what stops heads from rolling forwards when landing both wheels. I'm sure it will revolutionise kinematics.0 -
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:roll: No. But I can see the video.
Are you going to offer a sensible argument discussion?0
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