Bin Laden..
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+1Cornerblock wrote:Let's not forget some of the scenes of people rejoicing in quite a few Arab cities after 9/11. Of course it's perfectly understandable for some Americans to be happy at the death of the person who orchestrated the death of so many people. And to call American people stupid is an idiotic comment, how do you manage to conduct IQ tests on them all and find time to ride your bike? Bin Laden being killed may not change much at all for you, but if your loved one had been murdered by him and his followers, then you might feel different.
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Ok calling them all stupid is abit OTT, but I don't think it's OTT to think it's silly parading around high fiving cause they've finally caught Bin Laden.0
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I'll get the conspiracy theories started by stating that the photo of a dead Bin Laden is a badly photoshopped fake.....
(This is the genuine photo that's been released, and contains a not particularly pretty image of a dead Osama. Please don't click on this link if you are easily upset etc. Genuine)
The Grauniad have done a better job of reporting the fake:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/ma ... photo-fake0 -
are people on here genuinely happy that a human life has been lost?
very sad day. all he did was express anti west sentiments, act in collusion with the cia in bringing about 9/11.
if justice is to have meaning they should get dick cheney and the other war criminals in the US.
rip osama, you said what you believed to be true.The dissenter is every human being at those moments of his life when he resigns
momentarily from the herd and thinks for himself.0 -
Cleat Eastwood wrote:are people on here genuinely happy that a human life has been lost?
very sad day. all he did was express anti west sentiments, act in collusion with the cia in bringing about 9/11.
if justice is to have meaning they should get dick cheney and the other war criminals in the US.
rip osama, you said what you believed to be true.
While I would quite happily see Cheney, Rumsfeld et al put up against a wall and shot, my enemy's enemy is not necessarily my friend.0 -
Cleat Eastwood wrote:very sad day. all he did was express anti west sentiments, act in collusion with the cia in bringing about 9/11.
What about the bombing of US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, the attack on the USS Cole and the Luxor massacre? Those don't fit too nicely into your conspiracy theories. He was on 'most wanted' lists long before 9/11.Twitter: @RichN950 -
RichN95 wrote:Cleat Eastwood wrote:very sad day. all he did was express anti west sentiments, act in collusion with the cia in bringing about 9/11.
What about the bombing of US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, the attack on the USS Cole and the Luxor massacre? Those don't fit too nicely into your conspiracy theories. He was on 'most wanted' lists long before 9/11.
And the majority of the dead were passing Kenyans and Tanzanians - what had they done to offend Islam? and the odds were that some of them were MuslimsOrganising the Bradford Kids Saturday Bike Club at the Richard Dunn Sports Centre since 1998
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Cleat Eastwood wrote:are people on here genuinely happy that a human life has been lost?
very sad day. all he did was express anti west sentiments, act in collusion with the cia in bringing about 9/11.
if justice is to have meaning they should get dick cheney and the other war criminals in the US.
rip osama, you said what you believed to be true.
FFS.
And someone was saying Yanks are stupid :roll:It’s the most beautiful sport in the world but it’s governed by ***ts who have turned it into a crock of ****.0 -
What real significance, beyond being fixated in US collective memory, did Bin Laden have for terrorism in the last 8 years?
I get the impression it wasn't very much at all, given he had to be on the run all day.
Now that he's dead he'll be a matyr for those who support his cause.
Surely it'd have been better for him to drift into total insignificance?0 -
Cleat Eastwood wrote:are people on here genuinely happy that a human life has been lost?
very sad day. all he did was express anti west sentiments, act in collusion with the cia in bringing about 9/11.
if justice is to have meaning they should get dick cheney and the other war criminals in the US.
rip osama, you said what you believed to be true.
I am not happy that another human is dead but at the same time I am not sad that the murdering, brain washing lunatic is no longer around to spread hate between two cultures. All war criminals should stand trial that much is true. As for 'RIP Osama', I doubt he'll get any peace with 72 virgins waiting for him!0 -
freehub wrote:Ok calling them all stupid is abit OTT, but I don't think it's OTT to think it's silly parading around high fiving cause they've finally caught Bin Laden.
I tend to agree with this & is calling Will stupid any different to him calling the brash celebrations stupid?
There was plenty of disgust in the west and especially USA at those scenes of celebration after 9/11. Sadly the fist pumping USA chanting mobs today either justify that reaction or lower 'us' to that level. The reaction after 9/11 also helped sell the righteous war reaction of Bush & co. This reaction today will be used by the avengers of Osama as more justification for seeking murderous revenge on civilian targets. I see Hamas have already called him a Martyr.
The reactions I've heard today from the bereaved has been muted and one of relief or quiet satisfaction not whooping jingoistic showing off on the streets.0 -
shouldbeinbed wrote:freehub wrote:Ok calling them all stupid is abit OTT, but I don't think it's OTT to think it's silly parading around high fiving cause they've finally caught Bin Laden.
I tend to agree with this & is calling Will stupid any different to him calling the brash celebrations stupid?
There was plenty of disgust in the west and especially USA at those scenes of celebration after 9/11. Sadly the fist pumping USA chanting mobs today either justify that reaction or lower 'us' to that level. The reaction after 9/11 also helped sell the righteous war reaction of Bush & co. This reaction today will be used by the avengers of Osama as more justification for seeking murderous revenge on civilian targets. I see Hamas have already called him a Martyr.
The reactions I've heard today from the bereaved has been muted and one of relief or quiet satisfaction not whooping jingoistic showing off on the streets.
But he did not call the brash celebrations stupid. He said ALL Americans were stupid. A fact he has accepted might have been a bit sweeping. Did anyone really expect no Americans to whoop and high five the death of Bin Laden, they are not exactly known for being reserved. And wether Bin Laden was killed by the Americans or died by natural causes he will always be a martyr and a hero to some.0 -
Who said you can't take the bin out on a bank holiday!0
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Came downstairs this morning and a family member tells me that he's been found and killed. I ask where, they say Palestine :shock:.
Cue a massive rant about American/Israeli interests in the middle east and propaganda wars, treaties with Israel and Egypt, Mubaraks downfall..... Only to turn on the news and the reporter says 'Pakistan'.
Cue a massive rant about women and geography
In all seriousness, there's been a significant contingent that believed the man to be dead already for about 5 or 6 years. There's been no (public) evidence of him being alive for ages. Many tapes and video's verified as fake e.t.c. So whilst his death is significant for the vindication of/revenge for 9/11 in the US of A and his Martyrdom amongst his followers, i don't think it has any significance in respect of any perceived demise of 'Al-Qaeda' or any Extremist Islamist terrorism. I'm not saying the whole thing is faked, just that he has been very much limited in his activities due to being on the run. His compound reportedly had no telephone or internet for example.
If only this meant we could pull out of Afghanistan. I know we have the benefit of hindsight but it's frustrating to know we went in there after a Saudi Arabian National, who was eventually killed in Pakistan. The very same guy we armed against the Soviets. No-wonder he was a step ahead for the best part of 12 years.0 -
Rick Chasey wrote:What real significance, beyond being fixated in US collective memory, did Bin Laden have for terrorism in the last 8 years?
I get the impression it wasn't very much at all, given he had to be on the run all day.
Now that he's dead he'll be a matyr for those who support his cause.
Surely it'd have been better for him to drift into total insignificance?
He was still someone who had conspired to kill thousands of people. I'm sure we should have let him off the hook just because he hasn't been on TV for a while.Twitter: @RichN950 -
RichN95 wrote:Rick Chasey wrote:What real significance, beyond being fixated in US collective memory, did Bin Laden have for terrorism in the last 8 years?
I get the impression it wasn't very much at all, given he had to be on the run all day.
Now that he's dead he'll be a matyr for those who support his cause.
Surely it'd have been better for him to drift into total insignificance?
He was still someone who had conspired to kill thousands of people. I'm sure we should have let him off the hook just because he hasn't been on TV for a while.
Prison can be drifting into insignificance?
I'm thinking of the bigger picture.0 -
Cleat Eastwood wrote:are people on here genuinely happy that a human life has been lost?
very sad day. all he did was express anti west sentiments, act in collusion with the cia in bringing about 9/11.
if justice is to have meaning they should get dick cheney and the other war criminals in the US.
rip osama, you said what you believed to be true.
I am. We don't need human beings like that piece of sh1t.0 -
Rick Chasey wrote:RichN95 wrote:Rick Chasey wrote:What real significance, beyond being fixated in US collective memory, did Bin Laden have for terrorism in the last 8 years?
I get the impression it wasn't very much at all, given he had to be on the run all day.
Now that he's dead he'll be a matyr for those who support his cause.
Surely it'd have been better for him to drift into total insignificance?
He was still someone who had conspired to kill thousands of people. I'm sure we should have let him off the hook just because he hasn't been on TV for a while.
Prison can be drifting into insignificance?
I'm thinking of the bigger picture.
Bigger picture? Do you think if he had been put in prison as opposed to being killed that the lunatics, who would like to take us all back to the dark ages, would stop blowing us up? And of course they would never have kidnapped and killed innocent people to try and get Bin Laden released would they? Think you need to make your picture a bit bigger.0 -
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Flasher wrote:Who said you can't take the bin out on a bank holiday!
Elton is writing a tribute song
sandals in the bin...etc
(continued on page 94)"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0 -
Cornerblock wrote:Let's not forget some of the scenes of people rejoicing in quite a few Arab cities after 9/11. Of course it's perfectly understandable for some Americans to be happy at the death of the person who orchestrated the death of so many people. And to call American people stupid is an idiotic comment, how do you manage to conduct IQ tests on them all and find time to ride your bike? Bin Laden being killed may not change much at all for you, but if your loved one had been murdered by him and his followers, then you might feel different.
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I think it is disturbing looking at humans jumping up and down with joy because they have killed someone... irrespective of side
I think people can become trapped in a meaningless cycle of violence...even in supposed advanced nations[/serious for one moment]"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0 -
the number of people killed to get him.... or the number dying in secondary effect violence is pretty staggering"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0
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mididoctors wrote:Cornerblock wrote:Let's not forget some of the scenes of people rejoicing in quite a few Arab cities after 9/11. Of course it's perfectly understandable for some Americans to be happy at the death of the person who orchestrated the death of so many people. And to call American people stupid is an idiotic comment, how do you manage to conduct IQ tests on them all and find time to ride your bike? Bin Laden being killed may not change much at all for you, but if your loved one had been murdered by him and his followers, then you might feel different.
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I think it is disturbing looking at humans jumping up and down with joy because they have killed someone... irrespective of side
I think people can become trapped in a meaningless cycle of violence...even in supposed advanced nations[/serious for one moment]
Agreed. Celebrating death is distasteful, but to expect the death of Bin Laden not to make some Americans behave in a distasteful manner was never going to happen. From the news reports I saw, the people doing the 'celebrating' all seemed young jock types. They go mental when someone opens a bottle of beer with their teeth ffs.0 -
agreed, it was mainly meatheaded-youths - every nation has them.....0
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Rick Chasey wrote:RichN95 wrote:Rick Chasey wrote:What real significance, beyond being fixated in US collective memory, did Bin Laden have for terrorism in the last 8 years?
I get the impression it wasn't very much at all, given he had to be on the run all day.
Now that he's dead he'll be a matyr for those who support his cause.
Surely it'd have been better for him to drift into total insignificance?
He was still someone who had conspired to kill thousands of people. I'm sure we should have let him off the hook just because he hasn't been on TV for a while.
Prison can be drifting into insignificance?
I'm thinking of the bigger picture.
Unless you're imprisoned in Scotland and within 3 months of dying of cancer. :roll:"There's a shortage of perfect breasts in this world, t'would be a pity to damage yours."0 -
Yes.
While I know it won't make a great difference in the grand scheme of things, I am genuinely happy he is dead.
Just like I was with Saddam.0 -
bin ladens not dead
captured but not dead
fast burial at sea is too convenient and ties up alot of loose ends, bypassing alot of awkward questions
US special forces would have placed bin laden under surveylance for at least a month before this operation, they would study his communications, movements, contacts and before the attack they will disable the guards before an extraction team will enter at night using night vision and guided by the surveliance intel which using heat seeking allows the team to know exactly where all the occupants are.
bin laden will be hooded, handcuffed and noosed before being dragged out. bin laden would have no time to react.
the whole operation would have taken probably well under 60 secs.
bin laden will be shipped off to some secret prison and tortured for information where human rights do not exist and no one will ever know what really goes on0 -
tri-sexual wrote:bin ladens not dead
captured but not dead
fast burial at sea is too convenient and ties up alot of loose ends, bypassing alot of awkward questions
US special forces would have placed bin laden under surveylance for at least a month before this operation, they would study his communications, movements, contacts and before the attack they will disable the guards before an extraction team will enter at night using night vision and guided by the surveliance intel which using heat seeking allows the team to know exactly where all the occupants are.
bin laden will be hooded, handcuffed and noosed before being dragged out. bin laden would have no time to react.
the whole operation would have taken probably well under 60 secs.
bin laden will be shipped off to some secret prison and tortured for information where human rights do not exist and no one will ever know what really goes on
Thank you Andy McNab. He is dead, he was buried at sea, he was killed by a seal. 0 -
Criminals killing other criminals by criminal means. So the US of A totally shit over the sovereignty of Pakistan, but they killed the biggest embarrassment to American Society over the last 12 years? But Pakistan have harboured him for (arguably) 12 years? The hypocrisy trail is endless...
You couldn't make it up. It would be funny if people weren't getting killed.0
