Garmin Cervelo - Too Many Cooks ?
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I too was confused by JV's call at the time.
But with limited riders in the lead group, you are all right, he had no cards left to play.
The BMC chase brought back Canc and Chav much quicker than I had anticipated. I honestly though old Fabian was holding back.
What a ride by Chavanel though. Defensive tactics they might have been, but you can only imagine how hard it is to just keep up with Cancellara.0 -
smithy21 wrote:Rick Chasey wrote:I think it's a few things.
1) No clear leader - always tricky in Flanders. It helps to have a focal point for the rest of the team. To make sure that, whatever happens, this guy is where he needs to be.
2) Haussler is unlikely to find his '09 form....
3) Hushovd is only really interested in Roubaix and the Tour.
4) Farrar is ultimately a pure sprinter who has a bit of strength - rather than a strong man who has a sprint - which is more useful for the ronde.
I agree with this.
I really dont understand why Haussler is even mentioned as a potential winner of these sorts of races. I dont think he is even close.
Harsh. He was pretty close in 2009, leading home the bunch behind Devolder for 2nd place. 2nd place at Milan San Remo (by the width of a tyre) also not to be sniffed at. Sure, he's not as good as 2009, but has had a hard tome with injuries.0 -
Buckled_Rims wrote:
Wrong Andy. I never criticised JV for not chasing, I critised him for telling Tyler Farrar to race for third which is something else completely.
I'd be interested to know what position Nuyens was in the Peloton/Group at that precise time when JV made that call.
If any in Garmin was around Nuyens at that time....well that says a lot more then I can post.
Vaughters told Farrar to save himself for the sprint, whether that was for third or first. They had no domestiques left, so Farrar could have ridden for Hushovd, or vice versa, but one man isn't going to do much so they chose to leave any work to other teams with more riders. Tactically that's spot on, but Vaughters had no other choice.0 -
pedro118118 wrote:
Harsh. He was pretty close in 2009, leading home the bunch behind Devolder for 2nd place. 2nd place at Milan San Remo (by the width of a tyre) also not to be sniffed at. Sure, he's not as good as 2009, but has had a hard tome with injuries.
Like Boonen then? He was present and correct yesterday, so how does that excuse Haussler?0 -
Tom Butcher wrote:Why no Millar - he's shown well in the classics in recent years - is he ill/injured ?
Anyone know the answer to this? Presumably something is wrong with him because he had an impressive Ronde last season. It's not as if they've sent him to Pays Basque either...0 -
stfc1 wrote:Tom Butcher wrote:Why no Millar - he's shown well in the classics in recent years - is he ill/injured ?
Anyone know the answer to this? Presumably something is wrong with him because he had an impressive Ronde last season. It's not as if they've sent him to Pays Basque either...
Some guys said in another part of the forum that he's been injured/ill.
I asked the very same question during the driedaagse.0 -
Rick Chasey wrote:
Some guys said in another part of the forum that he's been injured/ill.stfc1 wrote:Tom Butcher wrote:Why no Millar - he's shown well in the classics in recent years - is he ill/injured ?
Anyone know the answer to this? Presumably something is wrong with him because he had an impressive Ronde last season. It's not as if they've sent him to Pays Basque either...
I asked the very same question during the driedaagse.
He'd originally planned on riding RvV but is on the sick-list.'This week I 'ave been mostly been climbing like Basso - Shirley Basso.'0 -
Slow start to the season, he had an easier winter and besides, it's a lot harder to track the team. He won in De Panne last year but is aiming for success in the Giro and Tour this year.stfc1 wrote:Tom Butcher wrote:Why no Millar - he's shown well in the classics in recent years - is he ill/injured ?
Anyone know the answer to this? Presumably something is wrong with him because he had an impressive Ronde last season. It's not as if they've sent him to Pays Basque either...0 -
Kléber wrote:
Slow start to the season, he had an easier winter and besides, it's a lot harder to track the team. He won in De Panne last year but is aiming for success in the Giro and Tour this year.stfc1 wrote:Tom Butcher wrote:Why no Millar - he's shown well in the classics in recent years - is he ill/injured ?
Anyone know the answer to this? Presumably something is wrong with him because he had an impressive Ronde last season. It's not as if they've sent him to Pays Basque either...
S'a shame.0 -
andyp wrote:pedro118118 wrote:
Harsh. He was pretty close in 2009, leading home the bunch behind Devolder for 2nd place. 2nd place at Milan San Remo (by the width of a tyre) also not to be sniffed at. Sure, he's not as good as 2009, but has had a hard tome with injuries.
Like Boonen then? He was present and correct yesterday, so how does that excuse Haussler?
Who mentioned excuses? My point was, as a rider, who has podium'd at two monuments (very nearly winning one of them) and ridden well at Roubaix in the recent past, to dismiss him as not worthy of mention was harsh. I agree he doesn't have the form at the moment, though. That said, he wasn't the only 'big name' suffering again on Sunday...0 -
Hushovd does not look happy,Haussler is still not back to full fitness and is perhaps overrated.Farrar is a very good sprinter but next to the big boys is not not in there class.
Even at there best garmin cervelo just don't have a Cancellara or a Boonen or even a Chavanel.Hushovd is there very best chance of winning a spring classic.Paris Roubaix on Sunday is now a make or break race for the whole team,and its only April!
Some how they might have a good result Sunday.Hushord is strong in Paris Roubaix and the team have only one option,support Hushovd and hope he will be in great shape.0 -
just a thought, might Garmins no needles policy be reducing the Cervelo chaps performance this year? just a thought thats all.......0
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vision267 wrote:Hushovd does not look happy,Haussler is still not back to full fitness and is perhaps overrated.Farrar is a very good sprinter but next to the big boys is not not in there class.
Even at there best garmin cervelo just don't have a Cancellara or a Boonen or even a Chavanel.Hushovd is there very best chance of winning a spring classic.Paris Roubaix on Sunday is now a make or break race for the whole team,and its only April!
Bit harsh surely. Farrar could easily end the season with a clutch of grand tour stage wins, Hushovd could bag some and a points jersey or two, still sprinter friendly classics to come, compared to a lot of teams they've got a lot to play for still.
it's a hard life if you don't weaken.0 -
Tom Butcher wrote:vision267 wrote:Hushovd does not look happy,Haussler is still not back to full fitness and is perhaps overrated.Farrar is a very good sprinter but next to the big boys is not not in there class.
Even at there best garmin cervelo just don't have a Cancellara or a Boonen or even a Chavanel.Hushovd is there very best chance of winning a spring classic.Paris Roubaix on Sunday is now a make or break race for the whole team,and its only April!
Bit harsh surely. Farrar could easily end the season with a clutch of grand tour stage wins, Hushovd could bag some and a points jersey or two, still sprinter friendly classics to come, compared to a lot of teams they've got a lot to play for still.
They billed themselves as the cobbled classics super-team. On their 2011 performance, they clearly are not.0 -
vision267 wrote:Hushovd does not look happy,Haussler is still not back to full fitness and is perhaps overrated.Farrar is a very good sprinter but next to the big boys is not not in there class.
Even at there best garmin cervelo just don't have a Cancellara or a Boonen or even a Chavanel.Hushovd is there very best chance of winning a spring classic.Paris Roubaix on Sunday is now a make or break race for the whole team,and its only April!
Some how they might have a good result Sunday.Hushord is strong in Paris Roubaix and the team have only one option,support Hushovd and hope he will be in great shape.
Sure, Garmin have simply underperformed. The reason? Lack of racing miles (Haussler), bad fortune and bad legs (Hushovd) and lack of real top-end ability over 250+kms (Farrar). Let's face it, Cancellara is in a league of his own and Boonen is probably next best. That said, he ain't the force he was and now sits amongst the likes of Flecha, Ballan, Hoste, Pozzato etc. Personally, I would put Hushovd and Haussler amongst that company, when in form.0 -
Rick Chasey wrote:Tom Butcher wrote:vision267 wrote:Hushovd does not look happy,Haussler is still not back to full fitness and is perhaps overrated.Farrar is a very good sprinter but next to the big boys is not not in there class.
Even at there best garmin cervelo just don't have a Cancellara or a Boonen or even a Chavanel.Hushovd is there very best chance of winning a spring classic.Paris Roubaix on Sunday is now a make or break race for the whole team,and its only April!
Bit harsh surely. Farrar could easily end the season with a clutch of grand tour stage wins, Hushovd could bag some and a points jersey or two, still sprinter friendly classics to come, compared to a lot of teams they've got a lot to play for still.
They billed themselves as the cobbled classics super-team. On their 2011 performance, they clearly are not.
Kinda calls into question the benefit of team strength in depth. When you got a Cancellara, it doesn't really make much of a difference, who's wearing the same jersey in the bunch.0 -
It helped QS over the years.pedro118118 wrote:Kinda calls into question the benefit of team strength in depth. When you got a Cancellara, it doesn't really make much of a difference, who's wearing the same jersey in the bunch.0 -
Rick Chasey wrote:It helped QS over the years.
Exactly, JV isn't Patrick Lefevre or Wilfried PeetersMake mine an Italian, with Campagnolo on the side..0 -
Monty Dog wrote:Rick Chasey wrote:It helped QS over the years.
Exactly, JV isn't Patrick Lefevre or Wilfried Peeters
That reminds me: For those who speak Dutch, there's an interesting discussion with Peeters and Decauwer about DS's and race tactics in Sundays ronde here0 -
There can only be one explanation, and Farrar's misfortune at Scheldeprijs yesterday confirmed my theory.
Somewhere, deep in, say, Texas, there's a man sticking pins in little plasticine dolls of JV and the entire Garmin-Cervelo team.
He must be stopped.0 -
Did Garmin really claim they were a Classics super team? Or was that the English speaking press?
They don't have a single monument winner in their line-up.0 -
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andyp wrote:Did Garmin really claim they were a Classics super team? Or was that the English speaking press?
They don't have a single monument winner in their line-up.
...short memories, some people...0 -
pedro118118 wrote:
...short memories, some people...
The five monuments;
Milan-San Remo
Tour of Flanders
Paris-Roubiax
Liege-Bastogne-Liege
Tour of Lombardy
No rider on the current Garmin-Cervelo rider roster has ever won one of these races.0 -
Nah, the Texan never won a monument so I would like the Worlds to stay as the Worlds.Rick Chasey wrote:
The worlds might as well be.
I do agree however that Cervelo have a World Champion and can now ride the Pro Tour. (World Tour Crap for the Mc Quid Money Box)Organiser, National Championship 50 mile Time Trial 19720 -
deejay wrote:
Nah, the Texan never won a monument so I would like the Worlds to stay as the Worlds.Rick Chasey wrote:
The worlds might as well be.
I do agree however that Cervelo have a World Champion and can now ride the Pro Tour. (World Tour Crap for the Mc Quid Money Box)
The worlds is a bigger win than Lombardy, for sure.0 -
The Worlds is bigger than even Flanders, Rick.
I don't see how you can claim that the presence of the rainbow jersey in the Garmin-Cervelo team makes them the best Classics team in the world, especially as a) Hushovd was a Cervelo Test Team rider when he won it and b) the Worlds field is drawn from national teams, not trade teams.0 -
