out of dish

supafly1982

my front wheel is out of dish by quite alot, what would be the best way to correct it? should I loosen all nipples then pull it into dish then true or is there another way to do this, im no expert :P

cheers
scott

supersonic

Are you sure it is the wheel that is out of dish?

If the tyre is not seated correctly, this can look the same, or if the wheel is not correctly in the dropouts, or the fork bent.

Remove tyre, refit wheel. If you have a wheel you know is correctly dished, put that in the forks and check.

supafly1982

ive just checked it with my dishing gauge, its out of dish by about 6/7 mm , ive slackend the nipples off and tried to tighten one side up to pull it accross (disc side) but im going to end up with one side slack and the other pretty tight so im not quite sure just how tight to go, ive now got it to about 4mm out

ive not long had the bike and the lad who had it has put 2 different coloured nipples on so i think hes built it out of dish when hes put the nipples on

supersonic

Sounds like he has ballsed the build up, maybe wrong length spokes.

Check spokes are correct length.

supafly1982

well thats the wheel dished, as you may have guessed ive never done it before lol, just need to true it again :roll: the spokes have kind of evened their tension off, as i slackend one side off and tightened the other side to drag the rim over, that action pulled the slack spokes tight again....... its all a learning curve

Anonymous

I'm curious. Why would you have a dishing gauge, but no knowledge of how to fix wheel dish?

supafly1982

yeehaamcgee wrote:

I'm curious. Why would you have a dishing gauge, but no knowledge of how to fix wheel dish?

incase something like this was to happen, i intended to build wheels from scratch, ive been doing plenty reading and actually built a wheel, however i havent dished a wheel that was already built!

does that sort your curiosity out its not a crime to buy and try new skills ye kna! :roll:

i really dont understand why people post stupid snobby posts, my appologies if ive got the wrong end of the stick here but thats how it seems to me, as if i shouldnt dare buy tools and try new skill out, i obviously have learned from my research as ive managed to complete my task...... i studdy mechanics, these things interest me.

Anonymous

I'm not saying it was a crime, you eye-rolling monkey. I was just asking.

supafly1982

yeehaamcgee wrote:

I'm not saying it was a crime, you eye-rolling monkey. I was just asking.

and so was I :roll:

resorting to childish arguments so soon in the thread? good job

Anonymous

excuse me?

supafly1982

yeehaamcgee wrote:

excuse me?

your excused.

Anonymous

supafly1982 wrote:

yeehaamcgee wrote:

I'm not saying it was a crime, you eye-rolling monkey. I was just asking.

and so was I :roll:

resorting to childish arguments so soon in the thread? good job

What the hell is wrong with you? I just asked a question. That's all.

Huck Finn

Sorry to butt in, but what's the Welsh at the bottom Yeeha?

Something about his name having a scratch... My Welsh isn't up to much mate!

supafly1982

refference to this.

yeehaamcgee wrote:

, you eye-rolling monkey. I.

and im aware you were just asking a question, to me it seemed you were being patronising, and if you read my post i said i may of picked you up wrong.

Anonymous

:roll: <- eye rolling
monkey = not exactly offensive term , more along the lines of dafty, silly sod, whatever.

Here's a slight insult for you coming up, since it seems it might need to be pointed out.
Bloody hell, do you have tracing paper for sking or something?

supafly1982

yeehaamcgee wrote:

:roll: <- eye rolling
monkey = not exactly offensive term , more along the lines of dafty, silly sod, whatever.

Here's a slight insult for you coming up, since it seems it might need to be pointed out.
Bloody hell, do you have tracing paper for sking or something?

sking? yeah im not getting that one, give me a clue, do you mean skin? yeah im no stranger to an injury or two

Anonymous

oh yeah, skin
Or you could turn it into "skiing", and have the world's most oblique, surrealist insult ever :oops:

cooldad

Sounds like your monthlies coincided.

supafly1982

yeehaamcgee wrote:

oh yeah, skin
Or you could turn it into "skiing", and have the world's most oblique, surrealist insult ever :oops:

that has to be one of the best defusers ive seen in a while

supersonic

I love how sentiment can get lost on ze internetz lol.

I'd still check those spokes mind.

supafly1982

supersonic wrote:

I love how sentiment can get lost on ze internetz lol.

I'd still check those spokes mind.

it was the wheel set that was on the cube originaly so spokes should be good, they are still tighter on the disc side (shorter spokes) than the other side, is this the norm? im going to have to check the rear wheel in the morning.

Anonymous

Hmm, the spokes on all my wheels have "felt" tigher on the disc side. But I think that's purely because they are shorter. Much like the strings on a piano, the bass ones are easy to pluck, but the high ones feel like they're immovable.

supersonic

Ah, I thought your mate had built it - when you said had different nipples I was beginning to worry he had just used some random spokes and lengths!

If you are confident it is all correct, then you will find one side is tigher than the other - you get the same with rear wheels too with the dish with standard set ups.

Once correctly dished, check for trueness and even tension (ie all even on one side)

cavegiant

Well that was entertaining.

As the spokes settle over a few rides, you will want to have another check to see if things have budged.

supersonic

This shows how dish works nicely:



The driveside spokes in this case will be tighter.

supafly1982

cavegiant wrote:

Well that was entertaining.

As the spokes settle over a few rides, you will want to have another check to see if things have budged.

glad to be of your amusement, it was quite funny

yeah, ive pressed the rim and settled the spokes so i will check them again after a couple of rides, i didnt think that the difference would be so great, could it be posseble when i slackened all the nipples of to start working the rim into dish, that i never slackened them all enough turns resulting in the big difference on both sides, i am aware that the disc side will take a more direct load with being straighter then the other side so it needs to be tighter........... i think ive waffled on enough, time will tell

supafly1982

well the strangest thing has happened, the wheel was dished propperly but it does not sit in the forks evenly spaced the wheel is more to the side it had to be dished over to, so the wheel is off set in the forks but the wheel is true and dished with no gaps, i dished to where the forks sit against, not end of axle, but its also dished correctly when i set the gauge on axle ends

whats going on?? :?

Anonymous

Bent forks.

supafly1982

im taking the measurement from up at the crown, thats where i seen the off set, looks like im going to have to get the calipers out tomorrow, check bottom of the forks and the tops just before stanchions, ive had a couple of craches but nothing that should be able to bend a set of forks :?

but this still wouldnt explain the off set at the top would it? this is starting to make me scratch the ol head

Anonymous

Yes it could. If the Crown on the sliders has bent so that one leg is higher up than the other, it would do precisely what you explain.

supafly1982

hmmm, im going to have to take a good look at it tomorrow in the day light, oh dear lol