Legal EPO boost?

mclarent

SteveR_100Milers wrote:

Alex_Simmons/RST wrote:

ADIHEAD wrote:

Riding buddy of mine as just ordered some of this http://www.epoboost.com/?gclid=CPWp6srx ... 4QodQxz2Zg

He's generally the gullible type so I'm a bit concerned. Does anyone know anything about this particular product? Is it dangerous?, illegal?, a placebo? Or perhaps as good as the site claims?

Cheers guys

http://www.ausport.gov.au/ais/nutrition ... ifications

I used to take CoQ10 because of the (then) prescription of statins (which inhibit the bodies own production of it). It made no difference over several months during a seasons racing, but as as soon as I stopped taking the statins my times dropped significantly, and immediately so could not be explained away by simply training effect.

On a different note, how much sodium bicarbonate would you take as an immediate race day dose? Presumbaly just dissolved in a drink?

Check the Ausport website, has factsheets inc. for Bicarb

motdoc

Hi there, I'm a GP.

I recently had a patient in his 40s athletic and well, had a stroke because his blood was too thick (raising red cells by upping epo thickens blood and makes it more likely to clot).

If I was doping using EPO I'd make damn sure my haematocrit and viscosity didn't rise too much, is your mate doing this? Probably not.

On the plus side whatever your mate is buying probably wont work and may stop him getting a cold.

SteveR_100Milers

So, if I have understood correctly, the dosing for sod bicarb is 300mg per Kg of bodyweight? (states 30mg/Kg) which means I need 27g of the stuff. I have a pot of Tescos Bicarbonate of Soda, so a drink bottle with some squash and a several teaspoons of the stuff???

No wonder it makes you spew / sh1t uncntrollably...

Am I correct in my calcs or have I missed something obvious here...?

ozzzyosborn206

wheeler585 wrote:

Yeah the name puts me off like, i would never really trawl through websites trying to find something that is going to give me the edge on race day. Supplements like l glutamine and recovery drinks are different as your wanting something to aid muscle repair, and stop you feeling like crap, i do anyway! A supplement like EPO booster, is pointing towards giving you that something extra on race day, like its going to make you super human or somehting ha.

Supose what im trying to say is that, isnt it better to train that bit harder and dig that bit deeper. Instead of knocking back shoddy pills called EPO booster ha

i think this could be one of the stupidest posts i have read, the whole point of training is to give you the extra edge on race day you train in hills to be better at climbing on race day, you do sprint training to be better at sprinting on race day, you take recovery drinks to feel fresher for each training session, or have i made a mistake and was your post sarcastic? is that what the wink was for?

InPursuit

@ Steve & Pokeface

The correct dose is 0.3g per kg of body weight - researchers have done tests between 0.1 - 0.5 and 0.3 was deemed optimum so an 80kg cyclist would need 24g - take it 60 - 90 min before TT or Team Pursuit - for road race i like mixing it with electrolytes & a little squash in water taken after the 1st hr of the ride. Probably a good idea to test it in training first - do bear in mind that it may not mix well with other food/supplements you may take so keep everything the same for race day.

Velonutter

Reading all this raises alarm bells like MOTDOC says, if you thicken your blood then you put your system at risk.

But the use of Bicarb is well documented and I use it frequently when I know that I am going to burn after an interval session on the Turbo.

Have a read of this, it works well for me and many of my mates: -

http://ironpower.biz/sup/sup_energy2.htm

wheeler585

What the hell are you on about ozzy, seriously you should read it propley before you start calling people stupid........stupid!

wheeler585

I'm saying you should train harder on the bike to get better results, not take crap that won't work like EPO booster. Or is this still the STUPIDEST post you have ever read ??

Ands

Rodrego Hernandez wrote:

I thought that EPO was used to stimulate the bodys (kidneys) red blood cell production in patients that were dangerously anaemic, such as during cancer treatments. I don't think that it is naturally occurring in the body.RBC count can be raised by altitude training / hypoxic tents / blood transfusions but it certainly can't be raised by training hard.

EPO is a naturally occurring hormone, produced mainly by the kidneys, which stimulates RBC production in the bone marrow. Increasing your levels of EPO increases the demand for RBCs. Training at altitude naturally causes your body to produce more EPO, because the lower levels of oxygen in the kidneys triggers an increase in the production of EPO, which, in turn, stimulates the bone marrow to produce more RBC.

If your body is not producing enough EPO naturally (e.g. kidney disease), then synthetic EPO might be used.

ADIHEAD

Hey didn't mean to stir up a hornets nest here. And the ADIHEAD is to do with my profession, nothing to do with Andrew Whitehead My mate rides the odd sportive and charity events, and yeh doesn't like training.

I was just interested if anyone else had heard of the stuff as he was raving about it, it sounded a bit dodgy to me and I couldn't find anything online about it. Isn't this what forums are about? So it seems nobody on here has tried it and it seems like 'snake oil' - no worries

SteveR_100Milers

InPursuit wrote:

@ Steve & Pokeface

The correct dose is 0.3g per kg of body weight - researchers have done tests between 0.1 - 0.5 and 0.3 was deemed optimum so an 80kg cyclist would need 24g - take it 60 - 90 min before TT or Team Pursuit - for road race i like mixing it with electrolytes & a little squash in water taken after the 1st hr of the ride. Probably a good idea to test it in training first - do bear in mind that it may not mix well with other food/supplements you may take so keep everything the same for race day.

I made some up this evening at a conc on 20g / 750ml approx. I asked same Q amongst my FB friends, and their response was unanimous - don't do it. I'll admit that after consuming about 200ml I stopped. The reason I thought I wold try it simply because I was doing my first track league this evening, and I'd already done a 2 hours session at lunchtime, so anything to offset the fatigue was welcome. One of the side effects is an increased thirst apparently, I certainly had those symptoms for te first hour of racing, more than normal. Whether that was the bicarb, or simply the adrenalin on the night, not sure. I also felt faster than my legs had any right to be, but in this instance I think that is more due to adrenalin again, plus perhaps using REGO and half a salmon after the first session. Personally, I am reluctant to take the risk of the side effects, so probably wont try it again, especially as I already suffer from mild arrhythmia, which this would exacerbate.

Alex_Simmons/RST

dulldave wrote:

Theoretically, couldn't you promote your body's ability to create EPO naturally and wouldn't a blood transfusion also be another option for raising haematocrit that you haven't mentioned?

Blood transfusions are a banned method.

Alex_Simmons/RST

Pokerface wrote:

I may have a go at the single dose method myself and risk getting the sh!ts. A 3% gain would equate to around 7 seconds in the pursuit - and could mean the difference between gold and nothing!

One should always test such things in training and not in competition.

Pokerface

Alex_Simmons/RST wrote:

Pokerface wrote:

I may have a go at the single dose method myself and risk getting the sh!ts. A 3% gain would equate to around 7 seconds in the pursuit - and could mean the difference between gold and nothing!

One should always test such things in training and not in competition.

3 Training camps coming up to do just that!