The great North/South divide

daviesee

Ron Stuart wrote:

who founded what was to become England (from the Old English Englaland), and the later Vikings and Normans.

Isn't amazing that the English football fans haven't evolved much? Eng er land - Eng la land :twisted:

Diogenes

Seems like north is about 10 miles closer to the north pole than your current home. I hear Manchester is in the north but by my standards it is positively equatorial. I am now working in south wales where my geordie accent appears to betray my roots. However if I go back to Newcastle (Newcassil or Newcarsal) my uncle reckons I sound like a southern nancy.

Give me a break, who gives a toss where it starts, all I know is that it is beautiful, wild, atmospheric and friendly. Oh bugger, so is Cornwall!

D :roll:

spen666

brin wrote:

spen666 wrote:

brin wrote:

Geographically, a place near Coventry was deemed the centre of England - think there is a monument there? however after further surveys calculated by using centroids in the beginning of 2000 (extreme offshore islands included) a small farm near Leicester now sits smack in the middle of England.

nice way to boost the Scottish Independence movement, by ignoring they exist.

Or is it you can't bring yourself to admit the centre of Britain is near Haltwhistle in NORTHUMBERLAND

As mentioned, the op was referring to North/South divide in England, the reason Haltwhistle was regarded the central point of Britain is because it is equidistant from the sea from all four compass points, but this of course excludes Northern Ireland, or aren't they British neither?

Brin, you are inventing things there. The OP made no reference to England, or indeed to Britain.

You invented the reference to England, not the OP

Re Haltwhistle, it is the centre of Great Britain ( of which Ireland is not a part!)

Ron Stuart

The modern adaption of the term Britain has evolved over time to be a substitute term for the UK although this is historically incorrect. The original term Britain was derived as follows.... http://www.know-britain.com/general/great_britain.html

As that well known Scot 'Tony (I got out at the right time) Blair' said "education, education, education!" :roll:

Pross

Ron Stuart wrote:

The modern adaption of the term Britain has evolved over time to be a substitute term for the UK although this is historically incorrect. The original term Britain was derived as follows.... http://www.know-britain.com/general/great_britain.html

As that well known Scot 'Tony (I got out at the right time) Blair' said "education, education, education!" :roll:

I thought everyone realised that (well, apart from the bit that the Isle of Man and Channel Islands are part of Great Britain - I always understood Great Britain to refer to the largest of the British Isles :? ).

Ron Stuart

Pross wrote:

Ron Stuart wrote:

The modern adaption of the term Britain has evolved over time to be a substitute term for the UK although this is historically incorrect. The original term Britain was derived as follows.... http://www.know-britain.com/general/great_britain.html

As that well known Scot 'Tony (I got out at the right time) Blair' said "education, education, education!" :roll:

I thought everyone realised that (well, apart from the bit that the Isle of Man and Channel Islands are part of Great Britain - I always understood Great Britain to refer to the largest of the British Isles :? ).

Sorry Pross, don't know if you meant to write it but the Isle of Man and Channel Islands are not part of Great Britain they are part of the British Isles as is the whole of Ireland both Northern and Southern Ireland.
In respect of this post Northern and Southern is an interesting one as the most Northern part of Ireland is in fact part of Southern Ireland.
In cycling terms if the Isles of Man was part of United Kingdom then instead of burning Cavendish off in the recent Commonwealth Games road race David Millar would probably have been working to lead Cavendish out in the sprint for the line as they would have been in the same team.

Think my link may need another read.

Pross

Ah sorry, I misread this part

Great Britain is the largest island in Europe. "Great Britain" is the collective name for the three countries of England, Scotland and Wales. It also includes the small adjacent islands but it does not include the Channel Islands and the Isle of Man

What you say is how I always understood it. It was the reference to Great Britain including small adjacent islands that threw me, I always took Great Britain to just be the main island.

Kieran_Burns

If I remember my Shakespeare, didn't he divide England from the Southern most point of the Trent (at Burton) and give the North to one of the conspirators?

So the North (of England for the resident pedant) statrs at Burton.

753forme

As a southern resident of our fair isle for the first eighteen years of this mortal life, who subsequently has married someone from the north and been involved with missionary work in the north since then (for the last 26 years) I feel suitably qualified to pontificate on this. The answer is any fish and chip shop that doesn't recognise an order for fish n peas (where the peas are mushy and are served on the tray and then the fish put on top to avoid it becoming soggy) is in the south.

Ron Stuart

Kieran_Burns wrote:

If I remember my Shakespeare, didn't he divide England from the Southern most point of the Trent (at Burton) and give the North to one of the conspirators?

So the North (of England for the resident pedant) statrs at Burton.

Why are we still referring to England only on this post the OP just refers to North/South?

and for someone that abides by the Handle Kieran_Burns a fine Celtic one at that. It on the face of it seems anomalous Kieran (Irish) and Burns (Scottish) it is interesting you mention the Trent as the surname Burns is derived from a Scottish family that lived near a stream.

My handle comes from Ronald Scandinavian Scottish (I have blue eyes!) and Stuart a Scottish variant of Stewart (the clan stewards) Stuart actually came from the French being unable to pronounce 'ew' not in their vocabulary so they substituted a 'u' for the Catholic Scots when in exile.

Oh and sorry Kieran the southern most point of the River Trent is near Hillard's Cross just north of Lichfield but I guess Shakespeare didn't use a Garman in those days.

Just out of curiosity did Shakespeare 'swing both ways?' :shock: