The great North/South divide

Monty Dog

The North Circular! Depends on where the chip on the shoulder starts? (I'm originally from Scotland before you get ar$ey)

rolf_f

essexian wrote:

Not sure where it starts in the East Midlands but I think Nottingham is in the north and Derby the South.

That's extremely precise to be unsure about - is North Derby in the North and South Nottingham in the South?

meanredspider

Just about everywhere is the South from here - even Inverness.

I didn't really appreciate how far north Inverness is until I drove here the first time from Cambridge. I reached the Scottish border only to realise I wasn't halfway! Even Glasgow is 180 miles away.

daviesee

Tom BB wrote:

Turns out Stoke is definitely in the North....we all talk proper weird for a start-one of the key traits of someone from the norf.

Never been to Somerset then I take it?

nicklouse

dirkdiggler69 wrote:

i thought the vikings raped and pillaged there way down as far as newcastle on one side and chester on the other?
apparently if you do a DNA test you can tell whether you are northern ( viking )
or not ( southern probably french )

must be s southerner.

they got a hell of a lot lower than that.



Anyway I am off Down to London later today.

Yorvik was T´Capital.

AndyD2574

Sheffield, Leeds, Manchester..............south of that they are all cockneys!!

apples and pears, apples and pears.

northernneil

spen666 wrote:

ShockedSoShocked wrote:

spen666 wrote:

The Tees is where the North Starts - hence why Middlesbrough is down south

Fighting talk!

P*ss off back to yorkshire Southern puff

oi, we dont want the smegging town !!!

holmeboy

Above Ullapool

Chiggy

The A5 Watling Street is the border.

Norman landlords organised a football match on Shrove Tuesday in Atherstone to stop the southerners and northerners killing each other at other times of the year.

The pub between Nuneaton and Hinckley is called The Longshoot, because it took a long shot with a bow to shoot a useless ignorant northerner.

Chiggy

nicklouse wrote:

dirkdiggler69 wrote:

i thought the vikings raped and pillaged there way down as far as newcastle on one side and chester on the other?
apparently if you do a DNA test you can tell whether you are northern ( viking )
or not ( southern probably french )

must be s southerner.

they got a hell of a lot lower than that.



Anyway I am off Down to London later today.

Yorvik was T´Capital.

No way chap, Winchester was the Capital.

shouldbeinbed

The Vikings were undisputed Kiings of all England (by conquest & homage paid to them by the other contenders) from 1016 (death of Edmund Ironside giving Cnut control of the west as well as the rest) to 1042 (accession of Edward the Confessor.)

The centre of England is in the East Midlands, so technically if you're north of a line that passes through Leicestershire you're northern, south of it you're a shandy drinking jessie always moaning its cold

Ron Stuart

Over the last 32 ruinous years we have suffered from 5 Prime Ministers in the UK all of them being self involved individuals to a lesser or greater extent.
Two Scots, Two Londoners, and a Lady from Grantham.
If you was to equate the nation as a see-saw this just about balances but alas it would seem from experience that we have been sold desperately short no matter which side of the fulcrum they came from and as for the fulcrum itself, the architect of this nations me, me culture personified. :x

As for North/South we may have to be careful here as the planet is overdue to have it's magnetic poles reversed...... http://survive2012.com/index.php/geryl-pole-shift.html so the next Olympics is to be staged in the southern hemisphere :shock:

And what of the UK's foreign population and labor force are they northerners or southerners (wherever north or south is) :?:

Warwickshire Whizzer

brin wrote:

Geographically, a place near Coventry was deemed the centre of England - think there is a monument there? however after further surveys calculated by using centroids in the beginning of 2000 (extreme offshore islands included) a small farm near Leicester now sits smack in the middle of England.

That'll be Meriden.

There is indeed a monument there.

They'd be right upset if you called them northners though.

Cressers

The North starts just north of Midhurst...

spen666

brin wrote:

Geographically, a place near Coventry was deemed the centre of England - think there is a monument there? however after further surveys calculated by using centroids in the beginning of 2000 (extreme offshore islands included) a small farm near Leicester now sits smack in the middle of England.

nice way to boost the Scottish Independence movement, by ignoring they exist.

Or is it you can't bring yourself to admit the centre of Britain is near Haltwhistle in NORTHUMBERLAND

freehub

I heard York was going to be the capital of england a long time ago but it was too cold for them up here so they decided to go to London. Either way, York is the capital of North Yorkshire, or rather should be the North

Anyway, anywhere below Selby feels like south to me, Manchester feels southern to me.

Cressers

Winchester used to be the capital...

Chip \'oyler

Chiggy wrote:

nicklouse wrote:

dirkdiggler69 wrote:

i thought the vikings raped and pillaged there way down as far as newcastle on one side and chester on the other?
apparently if you do a DNA test you can tell whether you are northern ( viking )
or not ( southern probably french )

must be s southerner.

they got a hell of a lot lower than that.



Anyway I am off Down to London later today.

Yorvik was T´Capital.

No way chap, Winchester was the Capital.

Not in the eyes of the Viking's it wasn't.

Chip \'oyler

spen666 wrote:

ShockedSoShocked wrote:

spen666 wrote:

The Tees is where the North Starts - hence why Middlesbrough is down south

Fighting talk!

P*ss off back to yorkshire Southern puff

Mmmm don't you in live in London?

Pross

I guess being South Wallian I'm a southerner but reckon we have much more in common with northerners (not North Wallians though, they are a breed to themselves and do their best to keep it that way )

AndyF16

spen666 wrote:

brin wrote:

Geographically, a place near Coventry was deemed the centre of England - think there is a monument there? however after further surveys calculated by using centroids in the beginning of 2000 (extreme offshore islands included) a small farm near Leicester now sits smack in the middle of England.

nice way to boost the Scottish Independence movement, by ignoring they exist.

Or is it you can't bring yourself to admit the centre of Britain is near Haltwhistle in NORTHUMBERLAND

Britain and England are entirely different for the purposes of 'centring' though :idea:

spen666

AndyF16 wrote:

spen666 wrote:

brin wrote:

Geographically, a place near Coventry was deemed the centre of England - think there is a monument there? however after further surveys calculated by using centroids in the beginning of 2000 (extreme offshore islands included) a small farm near Leicester now sits smack in the middle of England.

nice way to boost the Scottish Independence movement, by ignoring they exist.

Or is it you can't bring yourself to admit the centre of Britain is near Haltwhistle in NORTHUMBERLAND

Britain and England are entirely different for the purposes of 'centring' though :idea:

They are, but the original question was about the great north/ south divide.

not limited to England


By ignoring Scotland or worse, excluding it from the debate - the poster will inevitably boost thosewho think Scotland should seek independence as the English are marginalising it

spen666

Chip \'oyler wrote:

....
Mmmm don't you in live in London?

Where I live does not make me a southerner anymore than it makes a farmers dog that sleeps in the stable a horse

Ron Stuart

spen666 wrote:

AndyF16 wrote:

spen666 wrote:

brin wrote:

Geographically, a place near Coventry was deemed the centre of England - think there is a monument there? however after further surveys calculated by using centroids in the beginning of 2000 (extreme offshore islands included) a small farm near Leicester now sits smack in the middle of England.

nice way to boost the Scottish Independence movement, by ignoring they exist.

Or is it you can't bring yourself to admit the centre of Britain is near Haltwhistle in NORTHUMBERLAND

Britain and England are entirely different for the purposes of 'centring' though :idea:

They are, but the original question was about the great north/ south divide.

not limited to England


By ignoring Scotland or worse, excluding it from the debate - the poster will inevitably boost thosewho think Scotland should seek independence as the English are marginalising it

I agree but I doubt whether there are many English folk bothered about it plus these guys are arguing about a perception as if it actually exists as a physical point in a map, strange :shock: and the original poster is just throwing what he perceives as a bit of a hot potato in for a bit of mischief. Scottish independence is a bit side issue here mate.

spen666

Ron Stuart wrote:

spen666 wrote:

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By ignoring Scotland or worse, excluding it from the debate - the poster will inevitably boost thosewho think Scotland should seek independence as the English are marginalising it

I agree but I doubt whether there are many English folk bothered about it plus these guys are arguing about a perception as if it actually exists as a physical point in a map, strange :shock: and the original poster is just throwing what he perceives as a bit of a hot potato in for a bit of mischief. Scottish independence is a bit side issue here mate.

Look mate, there is a point of principle here

We should not be encouraging those ginger sweaties to want away- we should be forcibly expelling them and rebuilding Antonine's Greatest construction :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

gbs

I don't think we, the English, work that way.

Based on 10 years in E Yorkshire and Manchester, 5 yrs in Leicestershire and 45 in London I would say that we are in 3 parts - North, Midlands, South. I feel/hear differences between these 3 divisions that are greater than the divisions within BUT I have to say that my experience outside London in recent years is as a visitor so my judgement is biased.

If someone knowledgeable has done the arithmetic the missing years were in Malta and California.

gbs

whoops! my first post was made after reading the OP.

Now I realise we are into the typical banter I would say it is all in the mind of the beholder and that I would guess that the distinction matters only to those who think of themselves from the North.

Ron Stuart

Some useful information regards 'red heads'......

The U.S. can boast (or not) anywhere from two to six percent of the population having red tresses. A seemingly paltry figure, but with a massive population, this gives the good ol' USA the largest number of redheads in the world with 6 to 18 million. Compare that to 650,000 in Scotland and 420,000 in Ireland. Who's paltry now? Read it and weep you redhead haters.

Roman historian Deo Cassius described British Warrior Queen Boudicca (or Boudicca the bodacious) as " tall and terrifying in appearance [with] a great mass of red hair." Incidentally the ancient Romans also paid a premium for red haired slaves.

The word Adam is supposedly the Hebrew word for 'red' or 'ruddy', and Judas - poster boy tor tratorious - is often portrayed with red hair as is Mary Magdalene. King David is thought to have been a redhead, and some even believe the 'mark of cain' to actually be red hair.

and Scots.....

Well its not exactly the Scots that you are hearing about. The word "Scot" came from a tribe known as the Scotti who were Irish Gaelic/Celts.

Most of what you list would refer to the Celtic tribes who were believed to have come from the east, perhaps Persia or beyond or at the very least central Europe in the Iron Age. They conquered most of Europe including Rome as they moved westward into Gaul and Iberia, then up into Ireland and eventually Scotland.

and even the English...

Historically, the English population are descended from several genetically similar peoples—the earlier Britons (or Brythons), the Germanic tribes that settled in the area, including Angles, Saxons, and Jutes, who founded what was to become England (from the Old English Englaland), and the later Vikings and Normans.

and yes I pasted this lot in as I didn't want a wee bigot getting in the way of a few simple facts now did I :?:

brin

spen666 wrote:

brin wrote:

Geographically, a place near Coventry was deemed the centre of England - think there is a monument there? however after further surveys calculated by using centroids in the beginning of 2000 (extreme offshore islands included) a small farm near Leicester now sits smack in the middle of England.

nice way to boost the Scottish Independence movement, by ignoring they exist.

Or is it you can't bring yourself to admit the centre of Britain is near Haltwhistle in NORTHUMBERLAND

As mentioned, the op was referring to North/South divide in England, the reason Haltwhistle was regarded the central point of Britain is because it is equidistant from the sea from all four compass points, but this of course excludes Northern Ireland, or aren't they British neither?

mr_goo

The north / south divide could be clearly mapped by plotting the dividing line of fish and chippies that serve pea fritters (a wonderful southern delicacy) and those that serve mushy peas (up north somewhere and apparently sometimes with gravy!! I believe this is called peas wet, yuch!).